The Christmas Invasion (Post-viewing thread)

[The Signal]

Will they release this as part of Season 2 (in the S2 box set) or as a single disk? I wouldnt mind it as a single disk 'cus the sets are like £60 and i dont wanna pay that much for one set.


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[Egeria]

I think they'll release it as a standalone....after all it is an hour long and with extras would be enough to charge an average price.....hope so anyway.

[Willow'sCat]

lol Doctor Who is all about being corny, thats why the more serious 7t Doctor was less liked among long time who fans, and why the new series is liked so much, 'cus they went back to the old way of doing things

What do you mean "less liked" Sylvester McCoy's Dr was liked by many, well me. You sure that it isn't the 6th Doctor you mean? He was very serious and moody and lead to the cancelling of the Series.

[Missster.Freeman]

Aha, I've just got the Arthur Dent reference. D'OH! stupid me My lights are on, but no ones at home atm

[NowIWillDestroyAbydos]

Sounds great, does anyone know when the US release will be?

No clue, but we'll be getting the Season 1 DVD in feburary, maybe it will have it, although I doubt it.

[Flyboy]

Item 1) I've sent an email to the BBC regarding the release of the Christmas Invasion on DVD, so hopefully soon we should have an idea of whether or not it will be apart of the S2 boxset or stand-alone. Though seeing as though all of Series 1 was released individually as well as in boxset we can assumethe same can be said of Xmas Invasion. (Note, for those who dont know, Series 1 of Dr Who will be released on February 14th in the US)

Item 2) As for it being released in the US, it wont be broadcast, but it may be released on DVD a few months after it has been released in the UK.

Item 3) Harriett Jones' desicion... well, I completely disagree with it. For several reasons. Reason 1, they were shooting a fleeing enemy, that shows a total lack of honour. But reason 2, if that news ever extends outwards, the rest of the universe will view Earth as being a species without honour, a cunning and merciless species... Hardly what we should be viewed as. We could always have used the "big honking space gun" on the next alien race attack, not one that we've beaten and are fleeing, besides they may have actually told other aggressive species that we ARE defended...

Item 4) As for Torchwood... I'm not sure I like them at all... cold, merciless *bleeps*, though I'm convinced the series itself will be excellent!

Item 5) And as a last note, can you believe the President's demand to take control!? Bloody US Government! Still, at least Jones told him exactly where to go! The British can handle anything the US can! Doctor or no Doctor. We use big honking space guns... they use a virus. (independence day)

[dosed150]

that bit with the american president im sure thayts exactly what would happen if it was real life did anyone else notice that the aliens looked a bit like the yuuzhan vong?

[Metarock Sam]

Will they release this as part of Season 2 (in the S2 box set) or as a single disk? I wouldnt mind it as a single disk 'cus the sets are like £60 and i dont wanna pay that much for one set.


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Knowing the bbc it will be released singularly first but it is officially the first episode of series 2 .(I checked on the special confidential they had in the series 1 boxset and all the autocues used in the production had Doctor Who II on them).

[gopher65]

I completely agreed with the Prime Minister for these reasons:

1) The alien captain had just finished saying that he was willing to send an entire armada after earth. Umm.... yeah. That's a good reason to destroy them IMO.

2) The Doctor says (paraphrased) "It really isn't worth it to send an armada after earth" and the alien guy doesn't say anything. The Doctor then defeats the alien captain in Hand to Hand combat, and tells him to run away with his tail between his legs. The captain agrees, and swears a holy oath. And *as soon* as the Doctor turn around he violates his promise. Doctor kills alien. The other aliens then see that The Doctor is serious in his threat and run away.

3) Now the aliens are running away, but they have *just finished proving* that they are lying, cheating, scumbags who will stop at nothing to prove their own machoistic ways are superior. 5 minutes eariler they claimed to have a huge fleet. Hmmmmmm... huge fleet commanded by lying honourless people whom you just embarrassed the heck out of.... sounds to me like they will be back with a vengence.

Therefore, the *only* logical course of action is to prevent them by any means avaliable from reporting back to their home base and bringing the rest of their fleet back.

I for one thought The Doctor's reasoning was flawed and childish. It smacked of the old scifi tradition of a bad guy saying "You may have won this round, but I will hunt you down and kill you if it is the last thing I ever do!" and the good guy replying "get out of here before I change my mind about finishing you off". And of course 1 season (series) later that same bad guy comes back and tries to kill off the hero. Whatever. I hate it when the hero does that. It's just DUMB. Dumb hero= show that I turn off. That's why I liked firefly.

EDIT: Other than that I liked the episode. Parts of it were a little tedious and boring (the first half hour especially), but The Doctor made up for that in his brief appearence toward the end. I was rather more impressed with David than I thought I would be.

[Willow'sCat]

I for one thought The Doctor's reasoning was flawed and childish.

Well I see nothing "childish" in wanting his word (which is what it was) to be respected.

And of course 1 season (series) later that same bad guy comes back and tries to kill off the hero. Whatever. I hate it when the hero does that. It's just DUMB. Dumb hero= show that I turn off. That's why I liked firefly.

In Firefly you have Mal, a war weary, down trodden "Hero" he is one person who I would not like to have leading me or my Country because he has lost some of his humanity, we see glimpses of it but it has become more a burden to him, oddly The Doctor has it in spades still, despite of all he knows about humans.

[gopher65]

Here's my question to you:

You just killed the captain of a powerful alien spacecraft and dishonoured his crew. They swear revenge against you. Do you:

A) Let them run away and later return to kill you with an unstopable fleet, or
B) Kill them

The Doctor chose A for some inexplicable reason. I would never risk 6 billion lives (well, closer to 7 now) on the offchance that a bunch of criminals would keep their word. It just seems odd to me that the Doctor couldn't seem to understand that they might come back. Very.... irrational.

[Ascended Times.2]

Will any of the new eps star on other planets like some of the originals? or are they all Earth based again? I know off topic.

No, they assured us fans there would be ALOT more outer-space episodes this time, maybe one or two more earth based episodes (They gotta get milk!)
But generally more Universealy involved.

[Mr Prophet]

Here's my question to you:

You just killed the captain of a powerful alien spacecraft and dishonoured his crew. They swear revenge against you. Do you:

A) Let them run away and later return to kill you with an unstopable fleet, or
B) Kill them

The Doctor chose A for some inexplicable reason. I would never risk 6 billion lives (well, closer to 7 now) on the offchance that a bunch of criminals would keep their word. It just seems odd to me that the Doctor couldn't seem to understand that they might come back. Very.... irrational.

So my question is this: What programme were you watching? Sure, in that situation the choice would not have made sense, but that wasn't what happened.

The Sycorax did not swear vengeance and the crew were not dishonoured; the only dishonoured guy was the captain, who broke his word of bond and suffered for it. If the rest of the Sycorax had wanted vengeance, they had a ship in orbit that no force on Earth - that they knew of - could stop and the Doctor and his friends on that ship, right in front of them; they had nothing to gain by letting them go and need not have done so had they any intention of going back on the outcome of the challenge en masse.

Also, the Sycorax were not criminals. Unlike the family Slitheen they were clearly a warrior race with a proud - if pretty brutal - culture. From his reference to the sanctified rules of combat it seems likely that the Doctor knew, if not them, then at least the basic legal codes from which they derive their cultural strictures.

The Sycorax clearly lived on that asteroid-ship as well. There was no fleet for them to gather; they were it.

And the beat-all reason that he let them go was that he knew that Earth was getting noticed and that sooner or later, someone else would come along. Better to have the Sycorax telling people that the planet was defended by an invincible sorcerer with a fightin' hand and a satsuma than to just wait for the next guy to show up when he wasn't there.

[Flyboy]

So my question is this: What programme were you watching? Sure, in that situation the choice would not have made sense, but that wasn't what happened.

The Sycorax did not swear vengeance and the crew were not dishonoured; the only dishonoured guy was the captain, who broke his word of bond and suffered for it. If the rest of the Sycorax had wanted vengeance, they had a ship in orbit that no force on Earth - that they knew of - could stop and the Doctor and his friends on that ship, right in front of them; they had nothing to gain by letting them go and need not have done so had they any intention of going back on the outcome of the challenge en masse.

Also, the Sycorax were not criminals. Unlike the family Slitheen they were clearly a warrior race with a proud - if pretty brutal - culture. From his reference to the sanctified rules of combat it seems likely that the Doctor knew, if not them, then at least the basic legal codes from which they derive their cultural strictures.

The Sycorax clearly lived on that asteroid-ship as well. There was no fleet for them to gather; they were it.

And the beat-all reason that he let them go was that he knew that Earth was getting noticed and that sooner or later, someone else would come along. Better to have the Sycorax telling people that the planet was defended by an invincible sorcerer with a fightin' hand and a satsuma than to just wait for the next guy to show up when he wasn't there.

Thankyou! Brilliant reasoning there, especially the last bit about spreading the word...

But for my note. It's all a matter of honour. If you don't have honour, what do you have?

[Mr Prophet]

Thankyou! Brilliant reasoning there, especially the last bit about spreading the word...

But for my note. It's all a matter of honour. If you don't have honour, what do you have?

Oh, absolutely that's a part of why he was so angry with Harriet; that and the fact that he has always hated the needless taking of life.