Borg Inconsistancies

[HirogenGater]

Considering that there's fan whining about everything from various factions of fans, there's not much that anyone can do that doesn't generate whining.....

Sad but true.

[uknesvuinng]

There's something I haven't seen anyone mention yet that I only noticed the other day when watching repeats of TNG. In an early episode, the Enterprise and some Romulans are both confused by a rash of devastating attacks on outposts along the Neutral Zone. The Romulans and Federation agree to share info on this and the episode ends a mystery. Then in the episode in when Q introduces the Enterprise to the Borg, they mention one of the planets the Borg had assimilated had been attacked in the same manner as the outposts along the Neutral Zone. So the Borg definitely knew about the Alpha Quadrant and the Federation before Q introduced them.

[HirogenGater]

There's something I haven't seen anyone mention yet that I only noticed the other day when watching repeats of TNG. In an early episode, the Enterprise and some Romulans are both confused by a rash of devastating attacks on outposts along the Neutral Zone. The Romulans and Federation agree to share info on this and the episode ends a mystery. Then in the episode in when Q introduces the Enterprise to the Borg, they mention one of the planets the Borg had assimilated had been attacked in the same manner as the outposts along the Neutral Zone. So the Borg definitely knew about the Alpha Quadrant and the Federation before Q introduced them.

I have also wondered about that myself. I guess TPTB felt it wasn't necessary to explain further.

[Trek_Girl42]

There's something I haven't seen anyone mention yet that I only noticed the other day when watching repeats of TNG. In an early episode, the Enterprise and some Romulans are both confused by a rash of devastating attacks on outposts along the Neutral Zone. The Romulans and Federation agree to share info on this and the episode ends a mystery. Then in the episode in when Q introduces the Enterprise to the Borg, they mention one of the planets the Borg had assimilated had been attacked in the same manner as the outposts along the Neutral Zone. So the Borg definitely knew about the Alpha Quadrant and the Federation before Q introduced them.

The season one finale.....I'd forgotten about that.

[Arative]

I was also under the impression about 7 of 9, that her family encountered the Borg after TNG and the borg stuck her in a maturation chamber to age her from 10 to like 25 or how ever old she was suppose to be but its been a while since I've seen Voyager episodes so I could be wrong.

[Daecon]

The Stardate given in (TNG) "Q Who" where the Borg are first encountered is a later Stardate than the episode (VOY) "Raven" where we find out about Seven's parents.

6 year old Seven is playing with a model of a Borg Cube and asks if the Borg Queen has a throne, etc.

Anyway, in the episode (VOY) "Drone" where the 24th Century Borg is created from Seven's Nanaoprobes and the Doctors Mobile Emitter, Seven states that the Maturation Chamber is 25 times faster than a standard Borg one.

If the new Borg was able to develop from a baby to a 25 year old adult in about a week, it should have only taken child Seven when she was first assimilated, about 6 months to become a fully grown adult.

Either way, the apparent continuity date for the "Raven" episode was earlier than the "Q Who" episode.

[The Prophet]

Well, from what I've gathered from all the possible explainations & rumours, the best explaination would go something like this:

First Contact The Borg travel Through Time. A Number of Borg Crash in the Antarctic.

Enterprise They find the Borg Wreckage, everything goes wary. The Borg send a signal to the delta Quadrant, which will be recieved 200 years Later. The Reason that the Borg weren't publicly released is supossidly a Section 31 cover-up.

The Raven Section 31 funds research into the Borg, the Hannisons (With 7 of 9) sudy them in the Delta Quadrent.

Next Generation Q hurls the Enterprise into the Path of a Borg Ship, 18 crewmembers die & Q hurls them back. The Borg are them Publicly Released, as due the efficientness of The Times, Section 31 finds it impossible to cover it up, as they did with the unreliable Enterprise NX-01

Sector 001 The Transmission is picked up by the Borg 200 yeasr later, they send a Ship to attack Earth, it is destroyed. Captain Picard becomes Locustus of Borg.

Voyager Voyager stumbles upon the Borg in the Delta Quadtent, they release 7 of 9 from the Colective. They find the Crashed Raven on a Planet.

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On a side note, Star Trek TMP's V'ger could be the Origins for teh Borg, or could ahve conatcted the Borg & becoem Sencient. I've got this of Wiki, there's a lot of text, so I'm spoilering it:

Spoiler:

"Borg from V'ger" theory
It has also been speculated that there could be a connection between the Borg and V'ger, the vessel encountered in Star Trek: The Motion Picture (TMP); this is indicated in the Star Trek Encyclopedia and is advanced in William Shatner's novel, The Return. The two entities are similar in concept and philosophy:

The Borg are born as wholly organic beings and are melded with hardware to become biomechanical hybrids. They somewhat idolize a totally artificial state, which allows the android Lore to conquer a group of them in "Descent" (TNG).
V'ger is originally a machine – an interplanetary probe that was programmed to learn what it could about the universe – is significantly enhanced, and wants to see and touch its creator (a human) in order to fulfill its mission and evolve to a higher level of existence.
V'ger "melds" with two persons (Captain Decker and Ilia) and, in so doing, evolves. With reasonable conjecture, the Borg, a cybernetic organism – i.e., a fusion of person and machine – is born.

Following Star Trek: First Contact, the "Borg from V'ger" origin theory has a few obstacles:

In 2063, the Borg attempt to use the Enterprise-E's deflector dish as a subspace transmitter to contact the Borg existing at that time. As of 2006, Voyagers 3-6 were not launched. Assuming V'ger (Voyager 6) was launched some time in 2006, by 2063 a spacecraft traveling at high sublight speed would be no more than a short trip from Earth at maximum warp, hardly a distance which would require a subspace transmitter to contact anybody.
V'ger had not merged with its creator prior to this date, and thus would not yet be part-human.
Even before the film was released, Guinan mentioned that the Borg had existed for millennia, so they would already have been around long before V'ger was ever created.
In 2376, the Vaadwaur (VOY) reported encountering the Borg 900 years earlier, placing this contact around the 13th century.
One possible solution to these problems arises from the fact mentioned in ST:TMP that Voyager 6 disappeared when it fell into a wormhole. One of the known properties of wormholes is that, due to special relativity, they can be holes through space and time. Therefore, the wormhole that Voyager 6 (V'ger) fell into could very well have taken it across the galaxy and backwards in time thousands of years.

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"V'ger from Borg" theory
The V'ger origin story could be reversed into a "V'ger from Borg" origin theory – V'ger could have been aided by Borg. V'ger mentions in a visual presentation of its origin that it was once a smaller machine, one of NASA's Voyager space probes. It was then rescued and augmented by a race of machines. The name or nature of this machine planet, however, is never elaborated upon, and could well belong to the Borg. A piece of supporting evidence can be found in the novelisation of Star Trek: The Motion Picture written by Gene Roddenberry. In the novel, the V'ger entity notes that the Ilia probe is resisting the programming given to it because of the residual memories and feelings for Decker. When V'ger becomes aware of this, it is aware that "the resistance was futile, of course", which is almost identical to the Borg phrase, "Resistance is futile". The Star Trek novels aren't considered canonical, but it can be considered as at least circumstantial evidence, especially as the novel was written by Star Trek's creator.

One could go even further and pose the question "Why, if they have been around for thousands of years, have the Borg not succeeded in dominating the galaxy?" There are few examples of effective resistance against the Borg, and the two battles of Sector 001, both of which ended in a Borg defeat (though the second outcome is perhaps not so clear-cut), must surely be the exception. Human beings will not make contact with intelligent extraterrestrial life until 2063, and Species 8472, the other race on the short list of those who have defended territory against the Borg, does not enter space as we know it until about 400 years later. Again, however, the Vaadwaur might provide an answer by stating the species had several encounters with the Borg, and "lived to tell the tale". This would suggest that the Borg were not the overwhelming force of the 24th century for most of their existence. Further, it may also be the case that the Borg simply tried to assimilate species that it found sufficiently interesting and add to their "perfection"; Seven of Nine once stated to Neelix that the Kazon were not worth assimilating because they would not add to the Borg's perfection (this was, also, perhaps an in-joke by the creators of Star Trek: Voyager about the Kazon and generally negative fan reaction to them).

Another explanation may lie in the particulars of the evolution of the Borg. V'ger's mission is "to learn all that is learnable" – perhaps to an intelligent machine all that is learnable is abstraction. Were V'ger to join, perhaps become an emissary for a race (or collective) of computers whose purpose is to collect all of the information in the universe – to dominate the Platonic realm, one could view the Borg as having more machine history than cybernetic and see the mission of the Borg as it is more commonly understood – one of acquisition and integration of all of the life, culture, and technology in the universe – as having been born the day V'ger "joined" with Captain Decker. The purpose of this joining was to enable V'ger to understand "the rest of the picture" – could this terrible menace be machine though sparked by a glimpse of human understanding?

The obstacle to a "V'ger from Borg" theory is the apparently great distance between Earth and the space dominated by Borg. Possible rationalizations to address this include:

Since the Borg obviously were able to travel back into time in the film, it is conceivable that they travelled back at another point to establish a hive in the 21st century.
V'Ger mentions in its visual presentation of its origin that it passed through a kind of disturbance, possibly a wormhole, on its trip to the machine world.
Addendum; Non Canon: William Shatner and Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens wrote an excellent Kirk vs. Borg story in The Return. The Reeves-Stevens pair write hard, believeable fiction into their Trek novels. They postulate a planet totally converted into circuitry over millenia. The Borg Planet itself is the Queen/Hive Mind Center and it is lonely, and looking for another mind similar to itself. They also explain Borg "inconsistencies" as colonies out of direct contact with the Borg Planet, but still answering to the Hive Mind. Their Borg are much scarier and Gieger-esque. See also their book Federation for more Borg like monsters. The first three Shatner Kirk books are heavily Reeves-Stevens' work and very readable.

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So... What d'you think?

[Daecon]

The Borg Queen said herself in First Contact that the Borg were once like Humans; flawed, weak & organic - but then evolved to include the synthetic and now they use both to achieve perfection.

So unless the original humanoid Borg species encountered the V'Ger probe and used that as a base template for cybernetic enhancement (which seems unlikely as the V'Ger would have vaporised them into data) there is no real connection between V'Ger and the Borg.

[HirogenGater]

The Borg Queen said herself in First Contact that the Borg were once like Humans; flawed, weak & organic - but then evolved to include the synthetic and now they use both to achieve perfection.

Good memory, I forgot about that.