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    Default Theory i read on the 9th Chevron...

    Okay, we all know the basic deal: 1-6 are for a location, 7th is a Point of Origin.

    So Normal Address:
    XXXXXXY
    X-Location
    Y-Point of Origin

    Okay, now from the 5th race and Atlantis we have 8-Chevron address:
    XXXXXXAY
    X-Location
    A-"Area Code" (Galaxy Address)
    Y-Point of Origin

    Alright, now we have the 9th Chevron which has yet to be used, now here is an idea i read and i kinda like it: an Extension. This would come into play when there is more than one gate in a given area. Now i know you already think: well, duh, that cant be true because we had two gates, and we never needed to use the 9th chevron. Well right you are, because if the Ninth isnt used it goes the to the Primary gate, which so happened to be ours.

    Okay, so here is how i think a 9 Gate Address would go.
    XXXXXXABY
    X-Location
    A-"Area Code" (Galaxy Address)
    B-"Extension" (Gate Selector)
    Y-Point of Origin.

    Now if you wanted to go to a planet with more than one gate in the same galaxy you just ignore the area code, which would just mean that it activates a different chevron.

    In other words, each chevron has a duty, even in a 8 or 9 glyph address

    1-6 are ALWAYS destination glyphs
    7 is ALWAYS point of origin
    8 is ALWAYS galactic addresses
    9 is ALWAYS a gate selector

    all thats different is the order the chevrons activate.
    for a normal connection its: 1-2-3-4-5-6-7
    for a out of galaxy its 1-2-3-4-5-6-8-7
    for an extension its 1-2-3-4-5-6-8-9-7 if out of galaxy
    for an extension in galaxy is 1-2-3-4-5-6-9-7

    okay, what do you think?

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    Default Re: Theory i read on the 9th Chevron...

    good job..you get a gold star!! Like the theory.
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    Default Re: Theory i read on the 9th Chevron...

    thats quite unlikley because you have to remember that the glyphs represent star systems, its too general to to select a spesific stargateout of a group closly together not to mention if it were posible then why dont we see evidence of it on other planets this galexy or otherwise?

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    Default Re: All you ever wanted to know about the 9th chevron

    Quote Originally Posted by General Jack View Post
    Well it has to do something cool since they are making a new show for it.So it can't be something boring like dialing a certain gate on a planet with more than one, or dialing a gate in the gap between planets.
    Spoiler:
    I hear that the only nine glyph adress is on an ancinet seed ship that seposoited the stargates.

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    Default Re: All you ever wanted to know about the 9th chevron

    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy Tom View Post
    Spoiler:
    I hear that the only nine glyph adress is on an ancinet seed ship that seposoited the stargates.
    Spoiler:
    I heard it was an exploration ship sent out to search through all the universe where the seed ship had been. And the ninth chevron locates it no matter where it is, if that's the case then this will be far more of a stand alone than Atlantis which i think will be very cool.

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    Default Re: All you ever wanted to know about the 9th chevron

    Quote Originally Posted by Tekken Lord View Post
    Spoiler:
    I heard it was an exploration ship sent out to search through all the universe where the seed ship had been. And the ninth chevron locates it no matter where it is, if that's the case then this will be far more of a stand alone than Atlantis which i think will be very cool.
    Threads get pulled for that, it's already been discussed to.
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    Default Re: Theory i read on the 9th Chevron...

    I never thought of it like that

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    Default Re: Theory i read on the 9th Chevron...

    Yeah ! I don't know if this theory is the good one, but it's VERY Interesting I think !

    So ... At the time Earth had 2 Stargates, you dial off-world to go on Earth, and so you can select if you want to go to Ra's Egypt or the abandonned Antartica ... that's a quite good idea !

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    Default Re: Theory i read on the 9th Chevron...

    This was my idea!!! Atleast give me credit!!











    Even if you did get it from a completely different source, I demand recognition!!

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    Default Re: Theory i read on the 9th Chevron...

    i wish i could remember where i got the theory, in no way am I taking credit for it.
    if it indeed is yours, you deserve the credit, not me.

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    Default Re: Theory i read on the 9th Chevron...

    Rush theorized that the ninth chevron was used to lock onto moving targets though.
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    Default Re: Theory i read on the 9th Chevron...

    Quote Originally Posted by Justin1693 View Post
    Rush theorized that the ninth chevron was used to lock onto moving targets though.
    And where did you hear that?
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    Default Re: Theory i read on the 9th Chevron...

    The Ninth Chevron idea of it tracking doesn't make sense given stargates don't jump connections at least not safely. if the Gate was to move it would leave a location causing it to cut out. Because it would have left the location it was originally.

    Would it not make more sense for it to be a further extension given the sheer number of planets, moons, dwarf planets, asteroids. So rather it's to dial between the clusters.

    This would make sense given MilkyWay and Pegasus are in the Local group. Thus only an 8 digit address is needed.

    123456-Point of origin-Galaxy(In this galaxies same group)-Cluster(To jump between groups)

    I'm not saying that it's not possible for them to not assign a gate location for some reason (maybe they didn't chart a cluster for them to assign it, maybe they keep one aside for use later maybe like 555 is used in US films) and assign that to a special program in all the DhDs for certain ships. So that it scans through the network until it gets a gate that is identified as Destiny gate. Then opens the gate between here a destiny.

    Maybe to dial 9 chevrons it requires this special planet energy. Possibly even the Subspace ZPM thingy (The One that Mckay couldn't make work, Blew up a solar system trying) Or a different power source.

    I just don't think it makes much sense to use the 9th chevron given the sheer number of gates. if it's used to track a moving gate.

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    Default Re: Theory i read on the 9th Chevron...

    Quote Originally Posted by Justin1693 View Post
    Rush theorized that the ninth chevron was used to lock onto moving targets though.
    Every gate is moving. If it is on a planet then it moves as the planet spins on its axis and while it orbits the star.

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    Default Re: Theory i read on the 9th Chevron...

    But compared to FTL, they are moving very slowly. Even so, the DHDs have to update the coordinates every several hundred years or so (Avenger 2.0). The ninth cheveron could be thought of a command to do an instant correlative update, or more accurately, an integral of a correlative update (it updates ∆position/∆t).
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    Default Re: Theory i read on the 9th Chevron...

    Quote Originally Posted by Harlan
    Yeah ! I don't know if this theory is the good one, but it's VERY Interesting I think !

    So ... At the time Earth had 2 Stargates, you dial off-world to go on Earth, and so you can select if you want to go to Ra's Egypt or the abandonned Antartica ... that's a quite good idea !
    Precisely what the theory says.

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    Default Re: Theory i read on the 9th Chevron...

    This theory is atleast one year old, since I posted it on delphi one year ago.

    Someone else has probably suggested it before me too, it's not a difficult theory to come up with if you think about it.

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    Default Re: Theory i read on the 9th Chevron...

    The theory is different. However it seems flawed and unlikely. Knowing that using the 8th Chevron takes a whole load of energy, we can establish that the 9th chevron would take up so much more energy. But it would seem pointless then to waste a ZPM just to get to a second gate on some planet! Maybe it would have strategic advantages... but still.. Why?

    Alternate Universes are cooler and more likely.

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    Default Re: Theory i read on the 9th Chevron...

    Quote Originally Posted by Calicto
    Alternate Universes are cooler and more likely.

    Very cool, though problem with this one is that parallel universes are basically infinite and they represent every conceivable arrangement of quantum units (for lack of a better description for the most fundemental particle in the universe, although strings might be appropriate given the interest in String Theory right now). Since an extremely small portion of these would contain Earth and an even smaller portion of those would contain the Ancients and an infinitely small portion of those would contain the stargate network as it is constituted in this universe, the number of accessible parallel universes would be fairly small relative to the total number of universes (although still a very large number).

    Also, based on previous parallel universe episodes of SG1, anyone who travels to a universe where the same matter as themselves (i.e. their body) exists will quickly breakdown into nothing. While the episode didn't make it clear whether this applied to whole bodies or every quantum unit it is reasonable to assume that it is quantum units since the odds of Sam being identical physically in the two universes that interacted are basically zero (especially considering their different life paths). As a result, anything that travelled to another universe would breakdown within a couple of days or weeks.

    In other words the Ancients would be visiting universes that were essentially the same as theirs for short periods of time (less than a week), doesn't seem worth it to me. Oh yea and if they were visiting parallel universes surely they wouldve encountered one where they weren't dominant and it woulda scared em into militarizing and not eventually getting their asses kicked by the wraith .


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    My own personal theory on the 9th chevron (dunno if this has been proposed before so don't hate me/sue me/kill me if you or someone else suggested it first) is that it allows for time travel (i.e. the 9th chevron is a a time locator of some sort). Now there are several problems with this theory (e.g. not enough different symbols to allow for any precision in placement in time with one chevron and the Ancients didn't appear to have mastered time travel until just before they ascended (see Before I Sleep)) and I'll address these two quickly since they are the biggest ones I can think of. First, the system may only allow you to travel to set points in time (e.g. the time that stargate was first created and then every 1,000 years afterwards) if you wish to goto any gate in the network, but if you wish to travel to the same gate in the past it may be possible to use most of the chevrons for time specification, thus allowing a degree of precision that is far greater (362,880 different points in time if all 9 cherons are used, 40,320 points if 8 are used and 5,040 points if seven are used). The using more of the chevrons to go back to the same planet is stretching the fabric of the show a little too much for me to consider it something they might actually have planned . As far as when they developed time travel technology to any perfect degree it was clearly after the stargates were built (at least in our galaxy). So I would suggest that they originally didn't use the 9th chevron much as I think the 8th chevron was originally not used since the stargates were originally in only one galaxy. As a result the timeline would go something like this: stargates built with 9 chevrons because Ancient scientist dreams of further distances/parallel universes/time travel - 300,000 BC (don't take the actual times seriously); Ancients figure out how to travel further distances through stargates by using more power and implement the 8th chevron as an area code - 290,000 BC; Ancients refine time travel and implement the 9th chevron as a time code - 250,000 BC.

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    Default Re: Theory i read on the 9th Chevron...

    Quote Originally Posted by Calicto
    The theory is different. However it seems flawed and unlikely. Knowing that using the 8th Chevron takes a whole load of energy, we can establish that the 9th chevron would take up so much more energy. But it would seem pointless then to waste a ZPM just to get to a second gate on some planet! Maybe it would have strategic advantages... but still.. Why?

    Alternate Universes are cooler and more likely.
    Who says that it would take a lot more energy to activate the 9th than the 8th, maybe it takes only a fraction more energy than the normal 7. As far as why, its a matter of convenience, instead of gating to a world and having to take a transport across a whole planet, just gate to a second gate and your right there. In fact, i would not be suprised if the ancients in their golden era (pre-wraith) if some planets of theirs used more than 1 or even 2 gates.

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