Goa'uld / Tok'ra Queens

[dial_the_gate!]

Okay, if the Goa'uld / Tok'ra Queens give birth to genderless symbiotes, where do queens come from???

if they can thenwhy didnt Egeria spawn loads of queens intially, so there would be no problem with the Tok'ra becoming extinct.

[babaganoosh]

Hmmm, good question.

Maybe in the absence of a queen the symbiotes can change their gender at will. Or the symbiotes are one gender but they can breed nonetheless.

A Goa'uld/Tok'ra queen can reproduce asexually so maybe that's how the goa'uld do it and one queen is produced every few thousand years.

[Elite Anubis Guard]

Like the Queen can choice to pass on genetic memory, perhaps they can choice if it would be a queen. Simple?

[nantaidsl95]

Like the Queen can choice to pass on genetic memory, perhaps they can choice if it would be a queen. Simple?

Yes the queen can choice if the symbiote will be a quen or a basic symbiote!

[Eoin]

Has it ever been addressed in the show?? They should've covered something like that...

[Aris Boch]

Yes the queen can choice if the symbiote will be a quen or a basic symbiote!

If so then as dial the gate! says why didn't Egeria spawn loads of queens?

[Aris Boch]

Has it ever been addressed in the show?? They should've covered something like that...

Yes the whole subject is rather confusing. I blame that episode 'Hathor.'

[Skydiver]

the theory is that theyu're like bees. only one queen per hive. i mean, look at how many babies hathor had. if there were hundreds of queens having hundreds of children per litter we'd be up to our miktas in goauld (not to mention a distinct lack fo jaffa to incubate them in)

another theory is that, when queens are needed, the queen has a litter, and again like bees, those children are programmed to be breeding queens. if not, then they're rather asexual drones

[plaw15]

I don't know? The producers and writers probally don't know or haven't thought of a way to tell that in aan episode.

[the fifth man]

Little bit of a complex subject.

[drronin112]

Well if You look at the episode where Sam's Father died, it's said that in order for a Goa'uld symbiote to not Kill it's host with it when it dies, it takes the Symbiote expending a great deal of strength and effort.

Perhaps the same is with Queens? not only do they need so long to incubate within a Human host, but they also have to take a great deal of time and effort, and perhaps the Queen mother can only Spawn one at a time? And if your about to Defy Ra and his policies, you'd rather Spawn a Hundred Tok'ra Symbiotes with the memories you pass along to them than spawn One singular queen that will die with you.

But getting back to the Bee perspective as well, when a Queen bee is needed, the "Potential" queens are fed royal Jelly and grow in larger chambers. The first thing the new queen does (The first one to be hatched) Is kill the other potential rivals. Perhaps there's some instinctual thing that keeps a Queen Goa'uld from making more than one Successor that would kill her.

[helio9]

The Tokra situation is pretty bad though, while they probably had other queens aside from egeria, currently they seem to have none. They're just...dying out. Pretty sad since they fought the goauld for so long (with limited success, but at some point the thought has to count).

[dial_the_gate!]

Another question now!: when Egeria spawned loads of tok'ra they needed to be incubated right?, but in who?, did she put them in Jaffa, and then once they reached maturity and took a host, then what?, they would have taken the host involuntarily...what happened?!

There probably isnt a definative answer!

DTG

[Syera]

It could just be that when a Goa'uld spawns, only a scant few are actually queens. There's no "control" about it - all you can do is hope for the best.

Egeria, I presume, was a snake of some power. She could have had her own Jaffa, and when the time came, only chose willing hosts. (This wouldn't be impossible - remember that guy in Summit/Last Stand?)

[Laxian of Earth]

well me doing some digging again ^^ (writing in old topics)

for egeria being a "snake" of some power:

deffinitely yes, it is a must in order to stage a future rebellion (have something to start with, in order to incubate host - also that could be, in the right kind of circumstances, surely done in a water tank as well)

secondly: she is a queen so either she was powerful of her own and if not she would have had a "normal" goauld protecting her in order to gain more snakes (as she would give birth to them every now and then...

on that note: how would she spawn new symbiotes if inside a host? would she have to slip out everytime she does?

thirdly: to have sufficient knowledge of the inner workings of the goa'uld (even more the systemlords) she had either be one of them or be the consort of one.

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