The Ancient Language....Linguists I need your help

[Macilnar]

The following, as all you Stargate fans know, is part of the language known as "Ancient" from the TV series Stargate SG1 & Stargate Atlantis. To this date the writers have only developed a little bit of the language. I wish to attempt to continue in its development, now I myself am not a linguist and therefore I am incapable of doing so without the help of one. Please note that I am serious here. I know this is not an easy task, but then if it was easy there would be no need for me to be asking for your help.

"Ancient" according to the shows' writers, is the root language of Latin (Latin evolved from "Ancient").

Here are the words that make up "Ancient" at the moment and their English translation (Please correct me if I am wrong):

Ancient--------------English
Astrea Porta-------Star Gate
an----------------------the
ani---------------------are
Doemata-------------Sleep
Fron--------------------Head
Kozars-----------------leg(s)
Kruvis------------------Wrong
nu-----------------------we
quietas-----------------Ancients
falatis-------------------capability
ego----------------------I
indeo-------------------need
navo---------------------new
locas--------------------location
itium---------------------reply to "Do you understand?"
Feggus-----------------Finished
Comdo------------------Please
Asorda-------------------Help
Deserdi------------------Wish
Domatavus-------------Master
vestul---------------------Uncertain
Motabilum---------------Past
Adventus----------------Approaching
Perennial----------------Disaster
Abicierum---------------To give up
Deductavum------------
Vis-------------------------Lost
Uban----------------------City
Lacun---------------------Of the Lost
derentiu------------------insane
Terre----------------------Earth
Subo----------------------Under
glaciuse------------------Ice
dormoda-----------------Sleep
Praclarush Taonas-----Lost in Fire
Subo Glaciuse----------Under the Ice
Aveo Amacuse----------Goodbye

And so we begin.

[Qasim]

You need that linguist from Threshold

[Macilnar]

You need that linguist from Threshold

No, not really. If one man can make multiple languages, then surly a couple of linguists could make one. Then again that one man was J.R.R. Tolkien.

[Sam_o_Neill]

I think its a great idea you've got there, I know there are a few very good language people over in the Ancient Writing thread....They are brilliant at de-coding the ancient writings so maybe one of them would be suitable to help you with your project.
I would help...but sadly the closest i've got to reading or speaking Latin is with a Latin-English dictionary

[freyr's mother]

Some corrections:

anquietas---------ancients
dormata----------sleep
Fran--------------------Head
cruvis------------------Wrong
felatus-------------------capability
ego----------------------I
inveo-------------------need
navo---------------------new
dorentus------------------insane
Terra----------------------Earth
Subo----------------------Under
glacios------------------Ice
dormata-----------------Sleep
Proclarush Taonas-----Lost in Fire
Subo Glacios----------Under the Ice
Aveo Amakus--------- good bye

an----------------------the

there is no 'the' in ancient an is part of anquietas as in nou ani anquietas.

[Macilnar]

Some corrections:

anquietas---------ancients
dormata----------sleep
Fran--------------------Head
cruvis------------------Wrong
felatus-------------------capability
ego----------------------I
inveo-------------------need
navo---------------------new
dorentus------------------insane
Terra----------------------Earth
Subo----------------------Under
glacios------------------Ice
dormata-----------------Sleep
Proclarush Taonas-----Lost in Fire
Subo Glacios----------Under the Ice
Aveo Amakus--------- good bye

an----------------------the

there is no 'the' in ancient an is part of anquietas as in nou ani anquietas.

But isn't "Nu ani anquietas"-"We are the Ancients"?

[Whatazarian]

But isn't "Nu ani anquietas"-"We are the Ancients"?

When translators translate things, they alter it to make sense, I know from personal experience, because directly translating something can make absolutely no sense.

[Macilnar]

Ok that makes sense, this is why I cannot develop the language by my self.

[Kastro187420]

Im talkin to someone right now who says that these words look like they are Ancient Greek, which is the base root of Latin...

He said that earth, even in its base form is Gaia, not Terre... but he said Star Gate was right lol...

Anyway, he's taking Latin Classes, so I MIGHT be able to talk him into signing up to help ya a little bit, but I wouldn't count on it too much, I don't think he watchs the show...

Also, I found this site thats gotten a bunch of latin phrases on it... none of them correspond to what i've heard on Star Gate yet, but im only half way through them...

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A few words/phrase i've found that might have something to do with Atlantis or the Ancients:

Sub - Under

ab aeterno - from the beginning of time

a priori - from what comes before (Possibly where they got the names for the priors of the orii)

deus ex machina - god from the machine (there was an episode called Ex Dues Machina, which is why I put this here)

[Kastro187420]

Just for fun, I went through and tried to find the Latin Corresponding word to the Ancients language, heres what I found so far:


Ancient word ------ latin Word

Fron------- Frons
Kozar ------Crur
quietas-------- antiquitas : the ancients.
ego------------- ego
indeo----------- desiderium
navo----------- Novus
locas----------- locas
Feggus--------- ilicit or perfectus
Comdo--------- commodo
Asorda--------- adiuvo (maybe)
Deserdi--------- desiderium
Domatavus------ dominus (maybe)
vestul---------- incertus
Motabilum------ praeteritus (maybe)
Adventus------- appositus (close as I could find)
Perennial------- Calamitus
Abicierum------- Concedo (maybe)
Vis-------------- defluo (it was close)
Uban------------ Urbs
derentiu--------- dementis
Terre------------ terra
Subo------------- Sub
glaciuse---------- glacies
dormoda---------- Dormio
Subo Glaciuse------ Sub Glacies (guessing)

[SmallTimePerson]

wow, just for fun eh?

[Kastro187420]

Yeah, the words I put under the latin category are those that mean the same thing, or as close to the same thing as I could find...

[AngelusInsomnus]

For "Proclarush Taonas", I think only the name of the planet, "Proclarush", actually means "lost to fire". No idea what "Taonas" (the name of the outpost) means, if anything.

Interestingly enough, the Omnipedia on the site says "Vis Uban" means "Place of Great Power" ? That may or may not be reliable, as "Uban" makes sense for "City"... go figure.

[Kastro187420]

I've been trying to find people who can read latin good, but haven't found any... If I do find any, i'll try to get them to sign up and try to translate some un-known words.

[Jarnin]

For "Proclarush Taonas", I think only the name of the planet, "Proclarush", actually means "lost to fire". No idea what "Taonas" (the name of the outpost) means, if anything.

Proclarush = Sphere (Planet)
Taonas = Label (City, Outpost)

Just like:

Terra = Sphere (Planet)
Atlantis = Label (City, Outpost)

Interestingly enough, the Omnipedia on the site says "Vis Uban" means "Place of Great Power" ? That may or may not be reliable, as "Uban" makes sense for "City"... go figure.

The latin word for city is urbs or urbis, which isn't too far from Uban, but Jonus' translation doesn't mention the word city, even though Vis Uban was supposed to be the capital of the ancient civilization.

"Vis" is latin for "Power" however.

Oh yeah, and the word "Nox" is latin for "Night"