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    Quote Originally Posted by Smegger56
    I find DS9 my 4th favourite of the lot, with Voyager the wone i hate.

    TOS
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    I'm curious Smegger, did you ever see all the episodes of DS9 and Voyager. I was more of a TNG fan before the whole Dominion conflict started (around halfway through season 5) than a DS9 fan. I really did'nt care to much about Voyager till 7 of 9 came along too.
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    All of the recent comments about TOS remind me anew of how much I loved the show. Smegger is right about the original trio of Kirk/Spock/McCoy. I don't think any of the shows since then have had such a strong bond between characters and used to such good effect. And Skritsys makes some really good points about the groundwork laid in the first series, and the mystery and intrigue that it used to make such great scifi TV. And they did it every week--you never knew what you were going to get! Sometimes you had riveting character studies, sometimes great comedy, sometimes true tragedy; and always (with a few minor exceptions) really entertaining television.

    Like The Fifth Race, I didn't really watch Voyager until 7 of 9 was added. She brought so much of the alienation and interesting character actions and reactions that the earlier shows had that was lacking until she showed up.

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    Most of the original shows Dark Shadows, Red Dwarf, ST:TOS depended on the writers and the actors to tell the stories. These days, most of the shows are so heavy on the SFX it is hard to tell a good scifi show. DS9 had a good combination of both and so did TNG. Granted some of the characters in DS9 were a bit one dimensional and some eps wandered off the beaten path, but those are somewhat forgivable. There is bound to be a few duds here and there, but what I liked most about DS9 were the characters and the fact that they were exploring another quadrant of space and still having some of the main elements that make ST so good.
    Even SG-1 utilized the combination of actors who could really capture the attention of the viewer, the chemistry between O'Neill, Teal'c, Daniel, and Carter made SG-1 in much the same way ST:TOS did with the Kirk/Spock/McCoy triangle.
    DS9 had the whole cast doing it all. Gul Dukat, Sisko, Kira, and Odo definitely took the show into a whole new direction with the rest of the cast following.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skritsys
    Most of the original shows Dark Shadows, Red Dwarf, ST:TOS depended on the writers and the actors to tell the stories. These days, most of the shows are so heavy on the SFX it is hard to tell a good scifi show. DS9 had a good combination of both and so did TNG. Granted some of the characters in DS9 were a bit one dimensional and some eps wandered off the beaten path, but those are somewhat forgivable. There is bound to be a few duds here and there, but what I liked most about DS9 were the characters and the fact that they were exploring another quadrant of space and still having some of the main elements that make ST so good.
    Even SG-1 utilized the combination of actors who could really capture the attention of the viewer, the chemistry between O'Neill, Teal'c, Daniel, and Carter made SG-1 in much the same way ST:TOS did with the Kirk/Spock/McCoy triangle.
    DS9 had the whole cast doing it all. Gul Dukat, Sisko, Kira, and Odo definitely took the show into a whole new direction with the rest of the cast following.
    Good point about writers and actors telling the story, rather than SFX. Some shows manage that balance and some don't

    I'm really regretting that I didn't stick with DS-9; I think I only caught the first couple of episodes and I was totally bored. It was the same way with Voyager, but they had it on one our local stations for a couple of years recently, and I managed to catch most of the episodes, and enjoyed it immensely after sticking it out through the first few. Not so lucky with DS-9; I know it's on Spike, but I won't have cable until January, so I guess I'll have to wait.

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    Well if you just want the episodes from the series, you can always buy them online http://www.scifiboxsets.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=3
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    Quote Originally Posted by warmbeachbrat
    I'm really regretting that I didn't stick with DS-9; I think I only caught the first couple of episodes and I was totally bored.
    I was the same with DS9: I thought it was just plain dull to start off with (and who was this plastic-looking old guy in charge of security?)... and yet now, it's my favourite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brigadier General Pants
    I was the same with DS9: I thought it was just plain dull to start off with (and who was this plastic-looking old guy in charge of security?)... and yet now, it's my favourite.

    DS9 sure did take awhile to develope did'nt General?.

    I too, did'nt care much for Odo (plastic looking security guy) and few other DS9 characters (ie. Jadzia, Kira, Jake and even Quark). But after sticking with the show I learned to appreciate and even love all those characters. The writing (especially characterization) was just just so damn good on DS9!.

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    The only reason Odo looked so plastic was because he could never get the facial features of humans quite right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skritsys
    The only reason Odo looked so plastic was because he could never get the facial features of humans quite right.

    I thought that was a very cool and smart way to portray Odo. Recreating the facial features if you are a scupltor or painter is probably the hardest thing to learn and do with skill.

    Although seeing Odo become a Hawk or Eagle let alone a lion or some other big animal made his lack of being able to create a more human looking face puzzling sometimes.

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    especially when he could fly and get the feathers right, I agree with you on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skritsys
    especially when he could fly and get the feathers right, I agree with you on that.

    LOLOL...that's exactly what I was thinking. He could do feathers then he should be able to do a human face....Although all the Founders (shape shifters) seemed to have problems getting the humanoid face right.

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    that would not be entirely correct, some of the founders were already "undercover" posing as officers and civilians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the Fifth Race
    I'm curious Smegger, did you ever see all the episodes of DS9 and Voyager. I was more of a TNG fan before the whole Dominion conflict started (around halfway through season 5) than a DS9 fan. I really did'nt care to much about Voyager till 7 of 9 came along too.
    I've seen every episode of Trek... bar a couple of ENT. But there was something lacking in DS9, and very much so in VOY. 7 0f 9 was deffiantly used for eye pleasing more than anything to start with, but luckily, she was also a very interesting character. But even then, the show was still generally poor.
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    especially when the only outfit they had was a skintight body suit for Jeri Ryan.
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    Damn those people at wardrobe hey. Damn them all to hell
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    they did the same thing for T'Pol. A female Vulcan I would have thought would at least wear the same uniform or robe to show that there is a Vulcan working with the crew. But they had to put Jolene Blalock in a similar skintight outfit that hugged every curve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skritsys
    that would not be entirely correct, some of the founders were already "undercover" posing as officers and civilians.

    I stand corrected, I forgot about those shape-shifters. Did'nt it seem that the Founders had more of a problem giving themselves a truly human face, but had no trouble immitating things including humans...Very interesting stuff!.

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    Well, there was that time that they went into the future....no wait, it was the... present, but Odo was there cos they went back in time (if you follow my drift.. ) and he'd perfected human faces. Must just be practive. I doubt that founders would need to have human faces often being so far away and secluded. Obviously not during the war, but just before when they were all stuck in the link. Either that or they chose not to look that way.

    I remember back in the day before i watched trek (and disliked it with a passion despite never seeing an ep) i hated Odo. His face just annoyed me. Glad my childhood ignorance passed watched Trek where several moments including the "hugging" incident at the end of "Profit and Lace" (LOL!) made Odo a legend in my books. It's just his face and look of embaressment, priceless...
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    Quote Originally Posted by the Fifth Race
    I stand corrected, I forgot about those shape-shifters. Did'nt it seem that the Founders had more of a problem giving themselves a truly human face, but had no trouble immitating things including humans...Very interesting stuff!.
    Perhaps Odo had a problem recreating perfect human features because he was "different"? It seemed to me that he always had more humanity than any others of his race, and maybe copying humans was harder for him for that reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leaper
    Perhaps Odo had a problem recreating perfect human features because he was "different"? It seemed to me that he always had more humanity than any others of his race, and maybe copying humans was harder for him for that reason.

    As far as Odo having more human traits than other Shape Shifters I totally agree!. He almost had an admiration for humans and our characteristics.

    It seemed with other ShapeShifters he encountered on the show when they were in there humanoid shape they all had the dull faces and a similar look to Odo's.

    Interesting theory leaper!.

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