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    The Comments in J. Mallozzi's Blog

    Now, I appreciate that everyone has an opinion, and, that as I live in the UK and haven't seen the new episodes yet, I am in no position to comment on the quality of them, but, I was reading the comments in Joe's latest blog, and was shocked by some of the criticism flying his way.

    Frankly, to call someones creation "drivel" (to take one anonymous posters example) I found to be quite rude, and unconstructive. If you wish to post suggestions to how you feel the show could be better, I don't see why it can't be done politely, and with less hostility.

    It seems that some fans wish to portray TPTB of this show in the same light as Bermaga of Startrek fame - and are slating a man who seems to be working his socks off to take a show in a new direction, after the unfortunate loss of its leading actor. He then also finds time to post a blog, and posts on the forum for the fans benefit - only for a small number of them to slap him back in the face, because they have more access to the executive producer than you'd find on most shows.

    Up and until now, I had found Gateworld to be a fairly happy and relaxed place to be, but that seems to be changing.

    IMO, we should be appreciating what we are being provided with by TPTB, because even if it has slightly lower in quality, I am sure that its a darn site better than the rest of the [insert expletive] we are being fed with on telly at the moment.

    PS - oh - and i'm not an ex-farscaper crawling backto SG1 because of BB or CB
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    Gateworld hasn't been a primarily happy and fun place to visit for quite a long while, now. At least in my opinion.

    People are growing increasingly hostile and less tolerant, they're a lot more petty and vitriolic in their arguments, and very few of them are willing to even tolerate the wild and wacky concept that differring viewpoints can and do exist.

    Joe has borne the brunt of fandom ire for years, now, mainly because he puts himself out there and makes a target of himself. Sometimes I admire him for it, sometimes I wish he'd just stay in his hobbit hole and avoid throwing fuel on the fire.

    He's a big boy and he knows exactly what to expect from fandom. I think he's had more first-hand experience with the good, bad, and ugly side of things than any of the rest of us. Which doesn't make it okay that people attack him and the other PTB, mind you, but that's what we have Mods for. If you think a comment crosses the line, PM Darren. Comments CAN be removed by the administrator if they go too far.

    Of course, the problem is that a lot of it DOESN'T go too far. It's nowhere near polite, but it isn't crude enough to set off warnings, either. This particular breed of hatred has been running rampant on the forum in ever-increasing numbers and it's cropping up in Joe's blog comments, too. But if there's nothing SPECIFIC to cry foul about, then the mods can't do anything.

    However, that being said, I don't think Joe should be coddled, either. There are some, both here and on the blog comments, who seem to feel that only GOOD comments should be allowed, only POSITIVE opinions should be expressed. Just because a few people can't keep their manners when they're angry doesn't mean ALL naysayers should be shut in a dark hole and forgotten.

    There's a lot to be said for constructive criticism and for allowing people to vent their displeasure... in a polite way, of course.

    There is no one group or faction- be they pro, anti, or in between- who isn't guilty of SOME ill-expressed opinions. There are always a few weasels in every jet engine ruining the fun for everyone else. The trick is not to blame ALL weasels for the actions of a few.

    And remember that everyone has a right to an opinion, even if you disagree with it.

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      #3
      I agree that everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. And they should be able to voice those opinions to Joe M., since he has made himself available for it. I am a big advocate for staying civil, though. Not once have I insulted anyone on this forum, and I never will. I refuse to stoop to that level.
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        #4
        i have noticed this to, just tonight i noticed someone say something mean just because they did like how they wrote some spoilers, its just sad really.
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          #5
          Gateworld can be a VERY negative place. Most of the forums are quite positive, but the "SG-1 Season 9" forum is a black hole of pessimism from which no light and positivity can escape

          I try to avoid disscussions of future episodes on that forum because they usually end up turning into a "how will TPTB mess this one up thread". I'm trying to give all the episodes an unbiased opinion.

          However thats not saying that people aren't entitled to their opinion, on some points I agree with people about the way the show is going. After the crusade spoiler I voiced my frustration with the spoilers along with alot of people. It's just that in that forum its not dislike of a certain episode or spoiler but a continously burning hatred of the new season combined with pessimism about all future episodes
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            #6
            One thing folks need to realize is that there are ways to express your opinion.

            There are elements that i like, and there are turns that the show's taken that definitely aren't to my taste.

            but, it's not what your opinion is but how you express it.

            I for one, tend to keep my pessamistic thoughts to just a few threads. i'm not going to spam them around. They are there and they are my opinions. I'm just not going to cram them down peoples' throats.

            One thing i do think is that we do have a lot of individuals with thier passionate opinions. and they have a rather unique ability to voice those opinions directly to an 'in' at bridge.

            The one thing many folks dont' realize however, is that Joe is just one of many that make decisions. And some of the decisions that have been made are made on whole different levels than he has control of. Yelling at him will probably not accomplish very much.

            Now, should folks only express the aspects that they like? No, be honest. But be polite. And also, no matter how much something sucks, there is always something right about it. and no matter how much something is 'great', there's always something wrong with it
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              #7
              Originally posted by ShadowMaat
              And remember that everyone has a right to an opinion, even if you disagree with it.
              I'm a big believer in what Shadow and the fifth man and what others have said in here. I like GW because I know I can express my opinion, be it positive or negative (or somewhere in between), and it will be met with respect by most of the other posters. But I try to keep in mind the tone of the thread or place in which I will be commenting. I try to respect the topic and limits that the thread starter has outlined. If it is a general discussion thread where all views are welcomed, and I want to give my extremely negative or extremely positive opinions, I try to do so in a constructive fashion because I know my audience will consist of people on both sides of the issue. Insulting other posters or being rude will not win anyone over to my viewpoint. Yelling at people and being snarky IRL endears you to NO ONE, and is doubly true here. This is the one thing I think some posters most forget: manners. And manners matter whether I am addressing Joe or JoeNewbie.
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                #8
                Originally posted by ShadowMaat
                Gateworld hasn't been a primarily happy and fun place to visit for quite a long while, now. At least in my opinion.
                It varies on the threads you visit. Some can be downright nasty.

                Joe has borne the brunt of fandom ire for years, now, mainly because he puts himself out there and makes a target of himself. Sometimes I admire him for it, sometimes I wish he'd just stay in his hobbit hole and avoid throwing fuel on the fire.

                I hate to say it, but any TPTB that comes out publicly must be willing to accept that not everybody is going to kowtow to him and become a sycophant (sorry, but I've seen a few in this fandom). It happens in any fandom in which a TPTB visits and actively participates with fandom. I do think that fandoms ARE better off when the writers/directors just lurk; for one thing, they probably get a better idea of the fandom rather than having droves of fans writing schmaltzy begging emails for their particular faction (ship, slash, etc., etc. etc.) to be on the actual show.

                He's a big boy and he knows exactly what to expect from fandom. I think he's had more first-hand experience with the good, bad, and ugly side of things than any of the rest of us. Which doesn't make it okay that people attack him and the other PTB, mind you, but that's what we have Mods for. If you think a comment crosses the line, PM Darren. Comments CAN be removed by the administrator if they go too far.

                Er, yes, and he's behaved as well and as bad as the fans. Still remember a rather vitriolic online letter he posted to a journalist. And he does get his digs into fans as they get their digs in at him. Tit for tat, sorta....

                However, that being said, I don't think Joe should be coddled, either. There are some, both here and on the blog comments, who seem to feel that only GOOD comments should be allowed, only POSITIVE opinions should be expressed. Just because a few people can't keep their manners when they're angry doesn't mean ALL naysayers should be shut in a dark hole and forgotten.

                If you see only positive comments, and bad comments (but not so bad they should be removed due to langauge, threats) removed, then that's censorship. Then you might as well just block anyone from responding. Period.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Seshat
                  But I try to keep in mind the tone of the thread or place in which I will be commenting. I try to respect the topic and limits that the thread starter has outlined.
                  Exactly. Going onto the anti S9 thread, for instance, and telling people how much you LOVE season 9 and how everything is completely awesome and "you people just don't get it" is not the right way to carry on a friendly conversation.

                  Likewise, launching yourself into the middle of, say, a ship thread and talking about how such-and-such pair makes you want to vomit through your eyeballs will probably not garner the most positive of reactions from the thread's denizens.

                  Express your opinion politely, yes, but also use those fluffy little brain cells of yours to figure out things like what "anti" and "pro" mean.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by ShadowMaat

                    People are growing increasingly hostile and less tolerant, they're a lot more petty and vitriolic in their arguments, and very few of them are willing to even tolerate the wild and wacky concept that differring viewpoints can and do exist.
                    And the poster of this is such a person.

                    I do agree with you jonno, although I'm in the same position as you. It's not really called upon for the agression being given out by some members.
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                      #11
                      Negative you say, hadnt noticed!!

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                        #12
                        I didn't know people were being that rude. They're probably doing it to get attention and apparantly it works. I agree Gateworld has become a bit testy lately. Seems like that ever since certain more religious Farscape fans wandered over to Gateworld and found a chance to put down original SG 1 characters for the ones they're most fond of. But that's not all of them of course, just a few. I don't see why we can't all co-exist together happily in each fandom.
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by ShadowMaat
                          Exactly. Going onto the anti S9 thread, for instance, and telling people how much you LOVE season 9 and how everything is completely awesome and "you people just don't get it" is not the right way to carry on a friendly conversation.

                          Likewise, launching yourself into the middle of, say, a ship thread and talking about how such-and-such pair makes you want to vomit through your eyeballs will probably not garner the most positive of reactions from the thread's denizens.

                          Express your opinion politely, yes, but also use those fluffy little brain cells of yours to figure out things like what "anti" and "pro" mean.
                          Thats so true. No point in getting into the middle of something that you know you can't change anyone's mind on. People in Anti-9 aren't suddenly going to find the light and love SG-1 and people in the pro-9 aren't suddenly going to start hating SG-1 no matter what I say or anyone else says. Let everyone have thier own vent threads, least we know where to avoid them

                          Of course I'm always up for a good debate though as long as its nice and civil and fun, because debating certainly can be fun and at least it relieves some of the boredom at work! And of course every is entitled to thier own opinion, no matter how wrong I think thier opionion is Of course I'm always right, at least thats what I tell myself but then my girlfriend tells me she's always right, so I'm not sure who to believe!!!

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                            #14
                            It's not fair to blame any testiness on farscape fans

                            i think a lot of it has a lot of causes

                            a) the makeup of the show has changed. rda left and that's just no fun for anyone who liked him or the character of jack o'neill

                            b) it also has bearing on the relationships that jack was involved in. kinda hard to have jack/daniel, jack/teal'c, jack/sam when half your ship is gone

                            c) we have two sets of 'new blood' which alters things

                            d) amanda was gone and we had vala for 5.5 episodes and she is definitely not a personality type that fans usually associate with stargate

                            e) the general drive/attitude of the show has changed

                            f) there have been additions to the writing staff

                            g) there have been changes in the command staff of the show

                            h) i personally have no doubt that scifi and mgm are sticking their noses in as well

                            all this contributes to a LOT of changes, some obvious, such as RDA's absence and BB's addition, and others not so obvious and more open to the individual perception and tastes of the individual viewers
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                              #15
                              I think the blame-the-Scapers thing can be pinned on a few individuals who go out of their way to make everyone around them (including other Scapers) insane. They're the ones who give the rest of their fandom a bad name. They're among the weasels in the jet engine and on the ground you can see all the other little weasels shaking their heads in disgust.

                              But as I said, there are a few in every crowd and Stargate is certainly no different.

                              It's the intolerant fans (of any show, faction, pairing, whatever) who make it worse. But that's what Ignore lists are for.

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