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    Question Re: Star Trek Ships vs. Stargate Ships

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    Default Re: Star Trek Ships vs. Stargate Ships

    I'd probably have to throw a vote out there for the Stargate ships. Not Tauri ships, but Asgard and Goa'uld, probably.

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    You can calculate the maximum yield of a photon torpedo. They are supposed to contain up to a kilogram or so of antimatter which is annihilated with matter to create the explosion.

    e = m*(c^2)
    e = 2 kg*(299,792,458 m/2)^2
    e = 179,751,035,747,363,528 kg m^2/s^2 (joules)
    1.8e17 = approx 43 megatons

    Not real impressive there. We've got bigger nukes today.

    Actually, I stand somewhat corrected. I just looked at a Wikipedia article on the weapons of Star Trek and got this.
    At maximum yield, a Mark VI photon torpedo (the standard Starfleet photon torpedo in the late 24th century) carries a 1.5 kilogram antimatter charge, for a theoretical maximum explosive yield of 18.5 isotons. However, efficiency and geometry reduce energy-to-target a significant amount even under ideal conditions.
    I don't know what an isoton is, it doesn't really exist. But since the maximum yield of 1.5 kg of antimatter annihilated is 2.69626554e17 joules (type 3 kg to joules into google) or about 64.5 megatons so you can estimate that one isoton is about 3.5 megatons.
    The same article says that quantum torps have a yield of 52.1 isotons which works out to about 181 megatons. Improved but still paltry compared to the naquada enhanced nukes. And let's not even get into the naquadria enhanced gatebuster there.

    Unfortunately the article doesn't really give much info on phaser power output, though it does seem to be limited by the ship's available power
    Dialogue in TOS implies the phasers required considerable power to charge, and could even funnel all of the ships power.
    I was unable to locate any figures on power output for most of the ships, though I did find that the Enterprise D in STTNG had 11 5.1 megawatt phaser arrays so it's probably safe to say those could NOT channel the entire ship's energy output. 5.1 megawatts, btw, is PITIFUL. The average phaser burst lasts about, what 2-3 seconds? We'll be generous and give them 3 seconds. If the burst lasts 3 seconds, then that's 0.00425 megawatthours (1 megawatthour being a power of 1 megawatt for a period of 1 hour) or the chemical energy contained in .12 US gallons of gasoline, not quite 1 pint (or about .45 liters for you metric folks). Hate to say it, but it really doesn't look good for phaser power output.



    Also, c = 299,792,458 meters/sec = the speed of light in a vacuum.

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    Default Re: Star Trek Ships vs. Stargate Ships

    Do the ori have ships?

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    Default Re: Star Trek Ships vs. Stargate Ships

    No more than the Ancients do. But the priors and their worshippers do.

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    Default Re: Star Trek Ships vs. Stargate Ships

    Quote Originally Posted by Avatar28
    You can calculate the maximum yield of a photon torpedo. They are supposed to contain up to a kilogram or so of antimatter which is annihilated with matter to create the explosion.

    e = m*(c^2)
    e = 2 kg*(299,792,458 m/2)^2
    e = 179,751,035,747,363,528 kg m^2/s^2 (joules)
    1.8e17 = approx 43 megatons

    Not real impressive there. We've got bigger nukes today.

    Actually, I stand somewhat corrected. I just looked at a Wikipedia article on the weapons of Star Trek and got this.

    I don't know what an isoton is, it doesn't really exist. But since the maximum yield of 1.5 kg of antimatter annihilated is 2.69626554e17 joules (type 3 kg to joules into google) or about 64.5 megatons so you can estimate that one isoton is about 3.5 megatons.
    The same article says that quantum torps have a yield of 52.1 isotons which works out to about 181 megatons. Improved but still paltry compared to the naquada enhanced nukes. And let's not even get into the naquadria enhanced gatebuster there.

    Unfortunately the article doesn't really give much info on phaser power output, though it does seem to be limited by the ship's available power


    I was unable to locate any figures on power output for most of the ships, though I did find that the Enterprise D in STTNG had 11 5.1 megawatt phaser arrays so it's probably safe to say those could NOT channel the entire ship's energy output. 5.1 megawatts, btw, is PITIFUL. The average phaser burst lasts about, what 2-3 seconds? We'll be generous and give them 3 seconds. If the burst lasts 3 seconds, then that's 0.00425 megawatthours (1 megawatthour being a power of 1 megawatt for a period of 1 hour) or the chemical energy contained in .12 US gallons of gasoline, not quite 1 pint (or about .45 liters for you metric folks). Hate to say it, but it really doesn't look good for phaser power output.



    Also, c = 299,792,458 meters/sec = the speed of light in a vacuum.
    But Federation vessels can also use their navigational deflector as a weapon which can generate a beam more powerful than the entire ship's complement of weapons. Albeit it does basically drain the whole ship of power especially the warp engines, not to mention the dish itself would burn out and need to be repaired and the radiation from such a blast mean mass evacuations of personnel from exposed sections of the ship.

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    Default Re: Star Trek Ships vs. Stargate Ships

    As much as Stargate is my favourite of the two, I have to say, Star Trek has much cooler ships...
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    Default Re: Star Trek Ships vs. Stargate Ships

    I'm going to add my shows and movies into the mix
    Ancients Vs Star Trek = Ancients
    Earth ships Vs Star Trek = startrek
    Goa'uld Vs Star Trek = Goa'uld
    Wraith Vs Star Trek = Star Trek
    Ori Vs Star Trek = unknown
    Asgard Vs Star Trek = Asgard
    Tollan Vs Star Trek = Tollan
    Nox Vs Star Trek = nothing would happen/orthe nox would nullify the StarTreak ship.
    Foothold Aliens Vs Star Trek = invasion so Foothold
    Atlantis/Earth outpost vs Star Trek = we would kick their butts
    Star Wars Ships Vs Star Trek = Star Wars
    Andromena Vs Star Trek = Andromena
    Lost in space Vs Star Trek =Star Trek
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    i will stake the stargate ship please
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    Default Re: Star Trek Ships vs. Stargate Ships

    Quote Originally Posted by shaqarava
    Warp 10 is infinite according to the warp scale used to measure speeds in teh 24th century. That episode your referring to was in a future timeline and by that time they had rescaled everything down.

    This site, especially the last question at the bottom answers your question well: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Zone/3939/warp10.htm

    Basically if warp 10 is infinite, and if a fast ship like Voyager can go a max speed of warp 9.975 then it has room for improvement before reaching 10. So it can go 9.999, and even further, 9.9999. Eventually it becomes inconvenient to say those decimals so you rescale it down so warp 9.975 is now warp 6 and warp 9.999 is warp 7 and warp 9.9999 is warp 8 etc.

    As that site puts it "I said Warp 9.99998, Ensign, not Warp 9.9998!" Someone had to eventually have given up and decided to renumber the darn system."
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    Default Re: Star Trek Ships vs. Stargate Ships

    Both series ships are fairly evenly matched. Id say the Goa'uld were about as powerful as the cardassians (pre-dominion), so the federation/klingons/romulans were more powerful. Goa'uld ships are slightly bigger on average, a mothership being 1 Km across, which is bigger than any federation ship, but smaller than a warbird. The Enterprise E would take a mothership.

    Quantum torpedoes arent that powerfull as such, but they are very FAST. They travel at warp speed (according to the star trek technical manual) and the matter/antimatter reaction is very rapid and focused, causing huge damage to sheilds. I dont think you can compare them to slow and unfocused nukes, which wont produce the sort of exotic particles and radiation that an antimatter explosion would (and indeed does, we have tried in on earth in particle accelerators)

    Trek/Asgard beaming seems quite even, the only difference being the asguard can beam bigger items, and use the beam as a weapon.

    Asguard/borg speed. They are both fast, but it looks like the asguard can go further because they arent limited by transwarp hubs. But what about the Voth (from voyager- Distant origin) they to had transwarp, nothing was mentioned about needing hubs so in theory they were faster and could go further than anyone.

    Overall id say on first encounter the Asgard would take the borg, but the borg would learn and the Asguard would have to run..

    Borg/Replicators. Borg nanoprobes v. replicator cells, thats what it comes down to. The replicators dont assimilate, they 'eat' so id say the borg nanoprobes, being smaller and more aggressive, would win that one. They would adapt to the replicators and learn how to destroy them, probably in the same way the ancient weapon did.
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    in the end ancients kick ass and are 1 st place asgard are in 2 nd and then everyone else will die coz the replicators would whoop there ass

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    Quote Originally Posted by the true apothis
    in the end ancients kick ass and are 1 st place asgard are in 2 nd and then everyone else will die coz the replicators would whoop there ass
    But if you are talking Replicator then the Asgard would go too
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    Quote Originally Posted by rovex
    Goa'uld ships are slightly bigger on average, a mothership being 1 Km across, which is bigger than any federation ship, but smaller than a warbird.
    I never had the impression that Romulan Warbirds (I presume that is what you are reffering to) were anywhere near that large... care to share your source materials?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caprice
    I never had the impression that Romulan Warbirds (I presume that is what you are reffering to) were anywhere near that large... care to share your source materials?
    I used Wikipedia to look it up for you. The information there is likely to be about as accurate as you're going to get. At the least it should be as good as the omnipedia here and probably better considering how fanatical a lot of trekkies/trekkers tend to be.

    Galaxy Class Starship
    • # Dimensions:
    • * Height: 195.26 m
    • * Length: 642.51 m
    • * Beam: 463.73 m
    • # Decks: 42
    • # Displacement: 4,960,000 metric tons


    Then here is what it gives for the D'deridex class Warbird.
    The D'deridex class Warbird, also known to Starfleet as a B-type Warbird, is a heavily-armed class of starship used by the Romulans in the mid- to late 24th century. The D'deridex class, which has been seen to be powered by an artificial quantum singularity, is almost twice the length of a Starfleet Galaxy class starship and believed to have greater firepower but to be slower in speed. The D'deridex class served during the Dominion War with significant losses. On board, decks are lettered and sections numbered; some quarters are on C deck and launch bay 3 is on deck E, section 25. A warp signature may be detected through the cloak, particularly at higher speeds. The D'deridex class was first encountered by Starfleet circa stardate 41986.0 in 2364 when the USS Enterprise-D encountered a warbird commanded by Commander Tebok.

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    ok, on startrek, no matter how big and powerful the federation ship seems to be, its always gets beaten, heavily damaged and disabled/destroyed even vs pathetic small ships with catapults for weapons. Stargate ships would definatly win. The daedalus would kick all of starfleets vessals (well from pounding it took from the wraith hive ships on The seige part 3, and it survived!) and starfleet would be like, ' you can't attack him it infringes some directive. Crappy losers, stargate ships will win
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avatar28
    Galaxy Class Starship
    [list][*] * Length: 642.51 m
    Then here is what it gives for the D'deridex class Warbird.
    The D'deridex class...is almost twice the length of a Starfleet Galaxy class starship
    Damn... That's wild! I never would have guessed they were that large.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caprice
    Damn... That's wild! I never would have guessed they were that large.
    Yeah, well. You know what they say, it's not the size that matters.

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    aaNubiss is correct

    A goa'uld ha'tak goes at least 32,000 times the speed of light... perhaps potentially more judging from the length of time that it takes system lords to get from one part of the galaxy to another

    He would have got that figure from the episode "Enemies"

    When SG-1 and Selmac/Carter were flung into a distant galaxy due to the supernova... with Apophis on their tail

    Now this was pre-replicator... before the replicators infested the ship

    Anyway what Selmac/Carter said was that:

    (Paraphrasing)

    "It would take 125 years to get back to our galaxy at top speed... and we're stranded 4 million light years away"

    So... divide 4 million by 125... and you'll get 32,000 times the speed of light. Simple... and a lot faster than trek ships

    And it seems most space-faring races use naquadah in their weapons systems... and naquadah as a weapon is pretty danged powerful... I refer to a few of the previous posters who mentioned the gigaton naquadah enhanced nuke that they tried to destroy Apophis' 2 ha'tak vessels. Goa'uld use naquadah enhanced explosives too to some degree... In "The warrior" the jaffa was sent on a suicide mission with a naquadah enhanced bomb strapped to his chest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caprice
    Damn... That's wild! I never would have guessed they were that large.
    If you thought that's large a Sovereign class starship is about 750 metres long.

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