Aurora (209)

[Steve_the_Wraith]

I agree the episode was really bad from a continuity standpoint..
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1. In SG1 "FROZEN" THEY ESTABLISH THAT THE ANCIENTS PHYSIOLOGY DOES NOT DIE OUT IN COLD AND SHE HAS NOT EVEN AGED SO WHY IN AN ANCIENT'S STASIS POD DO THE ANCIENTS GET SO OLD? AGAIN IN SG1 THE ANCIENTS, BY THE TIME THEY WERE UNDER SEIGE AND AURORA DEPARTED. SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN SOMETHAT ADVANCED HUMAN FORM AND SHOULD HAVE SOME TELEPATHIC POWERS, ESP, AND ADVANCED HEALTH. SO WHY DO THEY NEED "RAY GUNS" AND GET SO OLD SO QUICKLY. (10,000 YRS SHOULD NOT BE THAT LONG CONSIDERING IN FROZEN SHE WAS MILLIONS OF YEARS OLD).
2. WHY DO THE AURORA SECURITY GUARDS SEEM CLUELESS... ARE THEY NOT AS SMART AS THE OTHER LANTEANS (ALTERIANS). AND WHY SO MANY PUSH BUTTONS FOR CONTROLS WHEN 4 MILLION YEARS BEFORE AS THEY LEFT EARTH'S OUTPOST THEY HAD ALREADY DEVELOPED THE THOUGHT CONTROL CHAIR WITH NO NEED FOR SILLY STAR TREK CONSOLES.

3. OVERALL I FEEL THE TECHNOLOGY AND ABILITIES OF THE ANCIENTS IN STARGATE ATLANTIS HAVE BEEN DRASTICALLY "DUMBED DOWN" COMPAIRED TO HOW THE ANCIENTS WERE PORTRAYED IN SG1 SEASONS 1-8. I JUST FEEL LIKE TPTB ARE NO LONGER PAYING ATTENTION TO DETAILS

So many caps... my eyes hurt

[tfalls1]

So many caps... my eyes hurt

SORRY BLAME APPLE FOR THE INTERMITTANT STICKING CAPLOCK KEY

[Jeffer]

I liked the ep I personally think it would have been worse if they got out there towed it back to Atlantis and did a bunch of stuff with it that would have made for a awful ep there would have been no conflict and no good story line but the ONLY reason the blow the ship up was to stop the Wraith from getting it and turning there Hyper drive into and intergalactic hyper drive and getting to earth and also if the Deady stayed to fight then the Wraith would have known they weren't dead and would have went for Atlantis

yes we didn't learn much but really how much do we learn in one ep ever its over all the eps we learn most of the stuff and you can never judged a season till its over

[Jeffer]

ill add to that
6)why didnt the ancinets know they put themselves in hibernation, its there ship!

I can answer this one anyways because the Wraith altered to make it so they didn't know

[freyr's mother]

Man im like a frakin psychic arent i. I totally predicted aurora would be a letdown, even though i havent seen it yet. Can anyone find the thread i started a while back about aurora possibly being a dissapointment?

[Dr Weir]

You need to chill Immhotep. Just because the ep didn't go the way you wanted it to go doesn't make it a bad ep. I thought it was 1 of the best eps this season, but if you didn't like it that's your opinion, but think about it like this: wouldn't it just be too easy and boring if Alantis got to keep the ship and went home. All their probs would be solved and that would be the end of sga. Having the wraith onboard as far as I'm concerned made it far more exicting and involved alot more action than it not being there, after all it is the enemy in sga but it sounds like you really don't like them which is a huge part of the sga series. Also the ep made wraith seem more dangerous and cleverer than they did before, they arn't as easy to beat or trick as I thought before. The idea they came up with for getting the info from the ancients was a good 1, but I did find it odd that the wraith took the place of a woman. It was probably because of her rank.

[freyr's mother]

Whoever has seen aurora might know the answer to this. Did the aurora have any defensive weapons even though i heard it was a

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Science Vessel

? I don't know where i heard this but was the ship beaten up? If it was, why would the ancients send a

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science vessel

into battle without any defensive or offensive weapons? In the

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VR Room when they pick up the ship, do they get any signals from other ships

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[Dr Weir]

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It was on a recon mission which meant the ancients were looking for weaknesses in wraith technology which they found. Even through it wasn't said in the ep in the gateworld ep guide it says it was a warship and McKay said in the ep that there were no drones left.

[Wraith_Hunter]

1) Why wouldnt they pull the pods out of aurora and worry about restoring the Ancients later. I mean who would create a system to sustain life but make it so you couldnt move it. What if the ship blew up -what the ancients would jump out of the air locks?
2) Why would the Ancients trust a computer thats easy to hack with crucial info
3) Why would they use the slower ship to transport said data.
4) How could the captain not even know what hes carrying, yet trust something so critical to a computer
5) Why would the wraith not destroy the ship years ago, since they obviously knew it was there.
6)why didnt the ancinets know they put themselves in hibernation, its there ship!
7)why dont they send the info via subspace
8)why didnt the deady just tow the aurora in hyperspace back to atlantis
9) if mackay can alter the enviroment why not just make a copy of all the minds in the system and everything in the envrioemtn and study it later
10)why did it still have power when it looked form the outside like space junk ( like the stuff around the earth after TLC)

1. They couldn't take the ones out that they checked because the physical bodies were too degraded to re-support life again. So if they done it, then they would have been killed instantly or very very shortly after being re-awoken. It's possible with more time that they might have managed to wake up some of the younger member of the crew but they didn't have time to go through hundreds of pods on several decks.

2. The computer wasn't easy to hack, it only became easy in the VR world. Originally in real life Wraith don't have the gene & so would have been locked out of all important areas of the ship.

3. It depends on what there speed was, Just because it wasn't intergalactic doesn't mean that it didn't zip about Pegasus like the Flash while it was still fully functional.

4. He explained that in the episode, it was too important & would have been far safer in the computers, where if anything happened then there would have been a far better chance of recovery. Again the computers were only easy in the VR world that the Wraith had modified to suit it's own ends.

5. Probably the same reason they didn't take out the weapons sat or send more troops to the planet in 'Trinity.' They didn't see it as a threat. They might have realised about trying to gain the knowledge of the advanced ancient tech which it contained, but because they were Wraith then the security measures probably kicked in & stopped them from gaining access to it. Then when the ZPM was plugged back in, it began broadcasting & powered up again & they then they could try & get into the systems somehow.

6. They probably did initially but the Wraith re-wrote the program to it's own ends & that also would have meant erasing certain parts of their memories.

7. They were on the other side of the galaxy with no local gates to help make it more secure. So because of the nature of the info & the distance that the message would have had to travel then it would have been too risky.

8. It isn't an Asgard ship & so wouldn't have anything like the pulling power of one. The Aurora seemed pretty big to me & so I don't think they had the power to tug it anywhere. Also there wasn't enough time beforem they were alerted to the Cruisers being on the way.

9. Making a few changes to a computer program is simple in terms of breaking into peroples minds & storing their consciousnesses into a few hard drives. There is no way they are advanced enough to do such a task.

10. It had power constantly onto the stasis pods, the main power would have been damaged during the battle like the weapons sat platform, yet I'm sure that a few bypasses would have been enough to get a few basic systems back online for a brief period.

[NowIWillDestroyAbydos]

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maybe the ship had drones or some other sort of weapons, and McKay Could detect them

[Calicto]

So, this happens to the be the Aurora of Greek Mythology.

I expected AMAZING warship, not science ship.

However, something that was referenced to bring Dawn out and therefore the sun relates to knowledge. The sun has been the archetype of knowledge and the rising sun is a symbol of increasing knowledge or science. Therefore, Aurora brings out the sun and therefore knowledge = science.

[TOA]

1. They couldn't take the ones out that they checked because the physical bodies were too degraded to re-support life again. So if they done it, then they would have been killed instantly or very very shortly after being re-awoken. It's possible with more time that they might have managed to wake up some of the younger member of the crew but they didn't have time to go through hundreds of pods on several decks.

I was actually referring to grabbing the pods and ancients - so the ancients stay in statis for the time being but they could be revived later. Possibly using cloned bodies with the help of the Asgard.

2. The computer wasn't easy to hack, it only became easy in the VR world. Originally in real life Wraith don't have the gene & so would have been locked out of all important areas of the ship.

That said the fact that both Rodney and the Wraith could hack into the VR world simply screams insecure system.

3. It depends on what there speed was, Just because it wasn't intergalactic doesn't mean that it didn't zip about Pegasus like the Flash while it was still fully functional.

The captain mentioned that it would take months (maybe two months) to travel to atlantis. This means that Aurora was slower than Promethues, and FAR slower than daedaleus.

4. He explained that in the episode, it was too important & would have been far safer in the computers, where if anything happened then there would have been a far better chance of recovery. Again the computers were only easy in the VR world that the Wraith had modified to suit it's own ends.

Maybe. But still really really bad idea - especially considering that the VR system would open a loop hole for hackers.

5. Probably the same reason they didn't take out the weapons sat or send more troops to the planet in 'Trinity.' They didn't see it as a threat. They might have realised about trying to gain the knowledge of the advanced ancient tech which it contained, but because they were Wraith then the security measures probably kicked in & stopped them from gaining access to it. Then when the ZPM was plugged back in, it began broadcasting & powered up again & they then they could try & get into the systems somehow.

Maybe

6. They probably did initially but the Wraith re-wrote the program to it's own ends & that also would have meant erasing certain parts of their memories.

I guess this is one of those - they're supposed to know better type issues.

7. They were on the other side of the galaxy with no local gates to help make it more secure. So because of the nature of the info & the distance that the message would have had to travel then it would have been too risky.

I wouldnt argue with that. It still seems that the ancients we're terribly ignorant of potential issues not to mention terrible tacticians.

8. It isn't an Asgard ship & so wouldn't have anything like the pulling power of one. The Aurora seemed pretty big to me & so I don't think they had the power to tug it anywhere. Also there wasn't enough time beforem they were alerted to the Cruisers being on the way.

I agree, Im not so sure Deaduleus even has a tractor beam or tow line capable of moving something 2x its size. Aurora is one big ship.

9. Making a few changes to a computer program is simple in terms of breaking into peroples minds & storing their consciousnesses into a few hard drives. There is no way they are advanced enough to do such a task.

Considering that all the replicators combined we're incapable of storing the information in Daniel Jackson alone and the fact that ancients we're nearing the requirements for ascension its likely no-one could readily store that much information.

10. It had power constantly onto the stasis pods, the main power would have been damaged during the battle like the weapons sat platform, yet I'm sure that a few bypasses would have been enough to get a few basic systems back online for a brief period.

I was pretty shocked that they we're able to restore life support considering the condition of the bridge. I mean that was in just NASTY shape. It had been gutted.

[Ouroboros]

It was never really made clear exactly what type of ship it was but it was so mashed up when they found it it probably wouldn't have made much difference in terms of trying to use any weapons it might have had.

[bbal4163]

little bit of information gained on anchient tech

"months to return to atlantis"

-the ship was on the outer rim of the pegasis galaxy.

daedalus could get to the pegasis galaxy in 2 weeks without the ZPM. 4 days from earth of atlantis using ZPM.

"intelligence within days" using the most advanced hyperdrives the anchients have. our hyperdrives can pull that off easily.

[Ouroboros]

While I actually enjoyed the episode in it's ownright I'll agree that it does raise some rather troubling questions about how exactly the Wraith ever managed to beat the Ancients.

As was mentioned earlier in the thread the best explanation used to be "the Ancients didn't have a real military/they were space hippies" but that explanation was completely destroyed by the Ancient ship here which looks more militarily professional than any Wraith one we've ever seen and it's supposed to be more advanced to boot.

The only explanation seems to be that the Wraith have gone into some sort of technological decline since the war and are way wussier now than they were back then.

I also didn't like the hinting that there was going to be some sort of contrived magical "overall weakness" in all Wraith technology that would lead to their utter defeat once exploited "independance day" style. I wanted to hug that Wraith guy once it was revealed that he'd destroyed the information that would enable this wagon of depraved idiocy to get rolling.

Thank you Wraith guy with no name number 1993948. You're my hero of the day.

[Erised]

Can someomne tell me HOW in the world could you guys already have seen it???

[Scoobing]

It already aired in Canada.

[Erised]

I thought the U.S. got episodes first

[Wraith_Hunter]

While I actually enjoyed the episode in it's ownright I'll agree that it does raise some rather troubling questions about how exactly the Wraith ever managed to beat the Ancients.

As was mentioned earlier in the thread the best explanation used to be "the Ancients didn't have a real military/they were space hippies" but that explanation was completely destroyed by the Ancient ship here which looks more militarily professional than any Wraith one we've ever seen and it's supposed to be more advanced to boot.

The only explanation seems to be that the Wraith have gone into some sort of technological decline since the war and are way wussier now than they were back then.

You have to think about when the war actually started. This would have been the first real conflict that the Ancients would have faced for millions of years.

So they were obviously a good bit rusty. When Aurora was sent out Atlantis had already been under siege. That means that they had already been fighting for over 100 years. All this experience stood them in good sted, but unfortunately it was too late by that time.

[Wraith_Hunter]

Yes it was, It was stated that it was a Warship at the beginning of the ep. Also Joe Mallozzi said in his thread months ago that it was a Warship.