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    Question Featherweight Singularity

    From what I've gathered through watching both Stargate Sg-1 and Atlantis, ZPM's are powered by an artificial singularity. Just like the way a black hole would provide power for the gate to keep it open indefinitely, a smaller version of a blackhole, a singularity, would provide energy to whatever you're powering.
    I don't have any doctorates, degrees, or diplomas in physics or astronomy, and I haven't read any books dealing with theories that concern subjects such as these, so I might need some help with defining a singularity and what not. Basically (I think), its so dense and has so much mass that it's gravity sucks light and everything else into it just like a blackhole, so obviously it is very heavy. My point is, how can you just walk into a room and pick up a ZPM like it's a five pound weight? Or does the word "artificial" have something to with it? If it does, I'm obviously going to ask for a theory on what makes this "artificial" singularity so light and non-destructive, needless to say also, how would you make it.
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    Default Re: Featherweight Singularity

    A ZPM has an artifically created little universe inside of it. The power is drawn from the zero point fluctuations in that universe. The goal of project Arcturus (sp?) was to draw power directly from our universes's zero point fluctuations. There isn't a black hole or anything, just a pocket of subspace time.
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    Default Re: Featherweight Singularity

    i belive it is powerd by a vacum as for its density i have no clue and its mass be to large cause ur right they pick it up like its a peice of paper


    A Z.P.M. derives its enormous power from vacuum energy, derived from a self-contained region of subspace time, and has a potential life of many millions of years.

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    Default Re: Featherweight Singularity

    Thank you very much. That clears things up.
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    Default Re: Featherweight Singularity

    Also, a singularity isn't just a mini black hole. All black holes contain a singularity.

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    Default Re: Featherweight Singularity

    If you want to read up on it some more, Wikipedia has an article on Zero Point Energy.

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    Default Re: Featherweight Singularity

    Quote Originally Posted by Tain
    Also, a singularity isn't just a mini black hole. All black holes contain a singularity.
    So, before a black hole becomes a black hole it has to become a singularity? Right? So do singularities not stay just singularities for very long because they start pulling everything in around them and thus become a black hole?
    So, does anyone have somewhat of an idea as to how you would make a ZPM?
    P.S.- I am very glad I was wrong, and that this is not a plot hole, because it would have been a bad one, and very annoying.
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    Default Re: Featherweight Singularity

    Quote Originally Posted by !Dorentus!
    So, before a black hole becomes a black hole it has to become a singularity? Right? So do singularities not stay just singularities for very long because they start pulling everything in around them and thus become a black hole?
    So, does anyone have somewhat of an idea as to how you would make a ZPM?
    P.S.- I am very glad I was wrong, and that this is not a plot hole, because it would have been a bad one, and very annoying.
    Singularities are points of infinite density. Black holes like a whole package deal. The have an accretion disk, a singularity and a event horizon. Singularities are found almost all the time inside of a black hole, but recently they've found that singularities can be naked.

    Singularities won't suck up everything around them. If our sun for some reason became a singularity, nothing in the solar system would care, it only has the same gravitational pull as it did before. The amount of mass there is nto different, its just in a much denser form.
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    Wink Re: Featherweight Singularity

    Quote Originally Posted by ColdZero
    The have an accretion disk, a singularity and a event horizon.
    What's an accretion disk?
    Quote Originally Posted by ColdZero
    Singularities are found almost all the time inside of a black hole, but recently they've found that singularities can be naked.
    We don't want a whole bunch of NAKED singularities running around our universe. Or do we? Hmmm...fascinating, indeed.
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    Default Re: Featherweight Singularity

    Quote Originally Posted by !Dorentus!
    What's an accretion disk?
    Wikipedia to the rescue again.

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    Smile Re: Featherweight Singularity

    Quote Originally Posted by IMForeman
    Cool, thanx. I read all of it plus some other links on that page.
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    Default Re: Featherweight Singularity

    Lol, the accretion disk, put simply, is the part of the black hole that we can see, all that matter spiraling in.

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    Default Re: Featherweight Singularity

    Ok, this is my theory for a ZPM.

    The planck mass is somewhere around 2.176 45 x 10-8 kg. This can be said to be the most matter you can put into a quantum unit of space, which is (1.616 24 x 10-35 m )^3. That is pretty dense, so there must be VERY efficient inertial dampeners in the ZPM. now, even if there is on 10 cm^3 of 'artificial universe' to extract energy from, that would give (according to E=mc^2) 4.6331093218608832677775510310323 x 10^110 Joules of energy... which is A LOT of turkey sandwiches!!!!

    At least that is what I think, anyone else get a different answer, I rushed it?

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    Default Re: Featherweight Singularity

    as fascinating as this all sounds... I'm wondering how the lowest energy level would work better then a higher energy level. I'm sorry... I'm still foggy on that.
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    Default Re: Featherweight Singularity

    i dont no ether

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    Default Re: Featherweight Singularity

    Quote Originally Posted by Wandering Tamer
    as fascinating as this all sounds... I'm wondering how the lowest energy level would work better then a higher energy level. I'm sorry... I'm still foggy on that.
    Where did you read this from? Could you quote your source please?

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    Lightbulb Re: Featherweight Singularity

    ZPM does not draw energy from zero point energy. It is impossible. Zero point energy cannot do work.
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    Default Re: Featherweight Singularity

    Quote Originally Posted by lethalfang
    ZPM does not draw energy from zero point energy. It is impossible. Zero point energy cannot do work.
    Not exactly... a ZPM is suppose to get energy from a vaccuum. If remove all particles from a region of space, and lower the temperature to absolute zero (ie zero point) energy is still observed via matter-antimatter pairs which exist for a split second and then anihilate each other. This is also refered to as quantum fluctuations. The problem is storing the said anti-matter, its pretty much impossible at the moment, since the particles interact with other matter very quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lethalfang
    ZPM does not draw energy from zero point energy. It is impossible. Zero point energy cannot do work.
    It does work with a ZPM because the ZPM contains its own space-time continum outside of our own. That was the whole plot point of the SGa Trinity episode that a ZPM works because its outside our own SPace time and the trinity device does not work because it draws on our own space time vacuum energie.

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    Yay for Mcay! He blew up project Arcturus! BOOOOOOMMMMMMMM!!!!!!! WHOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHH <streaming particles with immense heat and kinetic energy scream past my head>

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