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    Is having Asgard help on our ships really that great? Think back to Disclosure and Memento - the Asgard give us some nice new weapons and shields for our ship, both of which go down on its next journey. Also, why give us weapons when whenever we try to fly anywhere, it goes wrong and catapults us somewhere else due to the instability of Naqaudria, surely they could have done something about that.

    Also, the Prometheus' shields were still unable to stand up to many weapons, making teh Asgard's help even less useful.

    And don't forget that the Asgard have accomplished very little during the first 8 seasons other than recruting our help to do various things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by da_hippie
    Is having Asgard help on our ships really that great? Think back to Disclosure and Memento - the Asgard give us some nice new weapons and shields for our ship, both of which go down on its next journey. Also, why give us weapons when whenever we try to fly anywhere, it goes wrong and catapults us somewhere else due to the instability of Naqaudria, surely they could have done something about that.

    Also, the Prometheus' shields were still unable to stand up to many weapons, making teh Asgard's help even less useful.

    And don't forget that the Asgard have accomplished very little during the first 8 seasons other than recruting our help to do various things.
    I think you have your events somewhat confused. That screwed up trip because of the Naquadria was with a human built hyperdrive... not the later Asgard Hyperdrive the Prometheus (and later the Dadealus) got. The shields have actually done a pretty good job. They've stood up against Anubis super ship's weapons. They've also withstood a completely unkown alien attack. I haven't seen the weapons do much yet, but I imagine this friday we'll get to see some Asgard weaponry on the Dadealus.
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    besides, the Asgard who goes might get to see Atlantis and some ancient technology. That alone might have it's appeal to the Asgard. And Sam did say the Deadelus had more advanced tech intergrated into it.
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    You have to remember that they arent really that smart SG1 has saved them numerous times
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    Quote Originally Posted by qasimjavid
    You have to remember that they arent really that smart SG1 has saved them numerous times
    I agree with that. I don't think it's that the Asgard as a race are smarter, it's that any single Asgard likely has thousands of years of knowledge and experience. This fact is also their downfall. Having the same minds to work with over thousands of years isn't exactly the impetus for new ideas and progress so their alliance with humans is probably the best thing that has happened to them in a couple thousand years. By helping us they save themselves and vice versa.

    I don't think we need to see any more Asgard than we already do involved in Earth affairs. I think if we see them too often they might just get a little dull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seastallion
    Okay... first off, the Federation did NOT have a Vulcan on every spaceship. In the TOS, there was only one Vulcan in all of Starfleet, and he was on the Enterprise. Later on the Vulcans were scattered all over the place at Random. There was one ship that had an all Vulcan crew. Vulcans are just one of the many member species of the Federation. They aren't that special. Particularly, they aren't more advanced than humans, just different. They really especially aren't like the Asgard-smart in relation to humans. They'd also be very below the Asgard in terms of intelligence, and technology.

    Secondly, Hermiod is a special case. He is on board the Dadealus as the Navigator (and he probably has other roles, but that is his primary job). The ONLY reason he is there, is because of Atlantis. It's REALLY far away, so they need the best navigators they can get. It is extremely unlikely that any more Asgard will be stationed on other Earth ships anytime soon.

    Thirdly, they aren't "Prometheus" class ships. They are "Dadealus" class ships. The Prometheus was a prototype, not a class-setter. It was a test-bed for new alien technologies, that was pressed into service because of neccessity. The Dadealus is the first fully realized Starship of the Line. It is it's own Class, and the ships coming after it will be of the Dadealus class, not redux's of the Prometheus.

    Besides all that, yeah, I agree it is cool to have an Asgard on Atlantis.


    Hey buddy im no Startrek Buff as you are but let me tell you something.. the Newest Startrek Series (being the first Human ships of Startrek going into space) the female Volcan that was on the ship said the first show of the first season that it would be Protical for a Volcan to be on EVERY Human ship... soo SHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhh

    and besides your devating from what im accually talking about... and im just ASKING if than on all the Dadealus CLASS ships will all have an Asgard in them! thats alll buddy RELAX!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seastallion
    Thirdly, they aren't "Prometheus" class ships. They are "Dadealus" class ships. The Prometheus was a prototype, not a class-setter. It was a test-bed for new alien technologies, that was pressed into service because of neccessity. The Dadealus is the first fully realized Starship of the Line. It is it's own Class, and the ships coming after it will be of the Dadealus class, not redux's of the Prometheus.
    Agreed. For those who are confused, look at it like this. The USS Enterprise was the first nuclear powered aircraft carrier, CVN-65. The USS Nimitz, CVN-67 was the class setter and now has I believe around 10 ships in it's class. Each one, of course, is somewhat newer and better than the last. The hull designs aren't even identical, that got changed along the way too. But to date, all the subsequent carriers have been considered part of the Nimitz class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony
    Hey buddy im no Startrek Buff as you are but let me tell you something.. the Newest Startrek Series (being the first Human ships of Startrek going into space) the female Volcan that was on the ship said the first show of the first season that it would be Protical for a Volcan to be on EVERY Human ship... soo SHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhh

    and besides your devating from what im accually talking about... and im just ASKING if than on all the Dadealus CLASS ships will all have an Asgard in them! thats alll buddy RELAX!
    LOL Maybe my post seemed a little more 'excited' than I meant it to be. I was just trying to be informative... not anal.

    On ST: Enterprise, there was only one Vulcan on a Starfleet vessel there too... There were other Starfleet ships (just no Warp 5 ships), and none of them had any Vulcans on board. Also, when they finally commissioned the second Warp 5 ship, it didn't have a Vulcan either. It was a rare thing. The only reason T'Pol stayed, was because Capt. Archer asked her to.

    'meanwhile, back on stargate'... No, I believe that Hermiod is a very special case also. He will act as a Navigator (humans having very little experiance navigating intergalactic space) and might serve occaisonlly in other roles, but it's only because of Atlantis. The rest of the Earth ships will very likely not have any Asgard at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avatar28
    Agreed. For those who are confused, look at it like this. The USS Enterprise was the first nuclear powered aircraft carrier, CVN-65. The USS Nimitz, CVN-67 was the class setter and now has I believe around 10 ships in it's class. Each one, of course, is somewhat newer and better than the last. The hull designs aren't even identical, that got changed along the way too. But to date, all the subsequent carriers have been considered part of the Nimitz class.
    Though the more recent ships have improvements, they still follow the basic construction plan of the Nimitz. The changes are considered too minor to justify an entirely new class of ships. I think in the future though, they will probably have to make a new class of ships. Especially if they start using EM Rail Catapults, and Rail-guns. Along with other improvements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seastallion
    Though the more recent ships have improvements, they still follow the basic construction plan of the Nimitz. The changes are considered too minor to justify an entirely new class of ships. I think in the future though, they will probably have to make a new class of ships. Especially if they start using EM Rail Catapults, and Rail-guns. Along with other improvements.
    Oh, they will. No doubt about it. I was just making a parallel between the Enterprise/Nimitz and the Prometheus/Daedalus situations. Actually, I belive they have now started construction on the 10th and final Nimitz class carrier, CVN-77, which is, itself, something of a hybrid to the CVX carriers.

    The next generation of carriers are going to be really awesome, IMHO. The design is being made such that we may still have carriers built to that basic design in operation at the end of the 22nd century, meaning they will have been in production for almost 150 years! (at least according to one site I found).
    Here's a nice article on them at Popular Mechanics. Some of the features being looked at.
    • Steam catapults (6% efficient) replaced with electromagnetic ones (70% efficient.
    • Nuclear steam engines replaced with turbine-electric powerplants driving superconducting electric motors
    • Much more Stealthy
    • Smaller and faster


    But, eh, we digress.

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    smaller?? *winces* Who wants a Carrier to be small???

    When I think of Carrier's, I think of very large and impressive ships. smaller...

    I like the other improvements though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seastallion
    smaller?? *winces* Who wants a Carrier to be small???

    When I think of Carrier's, I think of very large and impressive ships. smaller...

    I like the other improvements though...
    Well, smaller doesn't necessarily mean small. They're still likely to be quite large. But smaller does mean they'll cost less (compared to what they would if they weren't smaller) to operate and build. It also allows them to be faster and more manuverable (or shall we say, less UNmanuverable), definitely a plus (not that 50 mph for something that large is slow).

    They also are looking at cutting the crew down from 3500+ on the Nimitz class to 2500 or so (both numbers don't count the air wing).

    Um, the island and control towers are being replaced with two smaller buildings that don't have as much of a radar signature which makes it stand out less on radar. The windows that were in the control tower would be replaced with large displays.

    Oh yeah, and one of the biggest changes will be the electrical system being rebuilt with a much higher capacity one that can handle all the modern electronics that the older ships can't. Also there's talk I think of wiring them with fiber optics through the ship as well.

    I think that covers most of it, or at least what's set and determined. The first ship should start production next year, but it's really still going to be something of a hybrid. The first TRUE next gen carrier won't be purchased until probably around 2009 and will enter service I think around 2018. :-(

    Lots of cool stuff.

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    An asgard on every ship sounds like one of the best rules I've ever heard of, but I have doubts that a race like the asgard are going to 'baby-sit' us when it comes to the stuff on Daedalus that is out of our mental range on every ship. Why is the Asgard coming on Daedalus to Atlantis? Well, who wouldn't? there's no race that we know of that matches the Ancients tech and Hermiod probably thinks he can find a solution to the asgard's reproductive problems and a whole lot more. And he's probably a nice guy willing to help us out like most of the Asgard are.

    -I think it would be cool if the wraith somehow find out about the Asgard (maybe when we hail a hive ship, they see Hermy) and really don't like the Asgard since without there tech they would have won and we have an episode where Hermy finds a solution to his reproductive problems in the Ancient database and the wraith try to sabotage the progress of his research or maybe destroy his research on his way back to Ida to try it out.
    Who knows? maybe we see a little asgard emotion from Hermy?
    One more thing, maybe someone could help me out is there a Hermiod in Norse mythology somewhere?
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    yah but you see something just doesnt play out right in my mind for why Hermiod would just hitch a ride to atlantis on the Daedalus when the asgard could just send one of there ships to atlantis is probley shorter time than the Daedalus is taking to get there. so thats why i was thinking maybe they will place a asgard on all the Daedalus class ships till we get things down on our own but who knows...

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    In seige three Col. Cadwell told Mjr. Sheppard that the asguard had refused to give us wepons for the dedalus because they could be used against them, but I seam to remember in SG-1 it being said that the promie was outfited with asguard wepons. Was I wrong or was this a major plot hole?
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    Default Re: Asguard Weapons on Earth Ships *Spoilers- Seige P.3*

    maybe you miss understood and they actually said shields.

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    I can’t recall exactly what was mention in SG-1 if the asgard do provide us with weapons they would quite old by asgard standards.
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    Default Re: Asguard Weapons on Earth Ships *Spoilers- Seige P.3*

    I recall that in S6, Disclosure; Thor said that he was there supervising the installation of Asgard shields and weapons on the Promtheus. The Asgard hyperdrive and beam came later.

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    Thor said that he was going to install Asgard designed weapons and shields so for all we know those railguns are the weapons the Asgard gave to the Daedalus.

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    The daedalus has asgard weapons but they arent fully functional so that we dont use them against the asgard
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