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TPTB screwed up a Title??? (Spoilers... Ex Deus Machina)
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I have studied Latin for 3 years and you are actually wrong, all of you.
The sequence of words does not change the meaning at all.
For example cogito ergo sum (I think, therefore I am) means the exakt same thing as sum ergo cogito that means the same thing as ergo sum cogito...
So the order of the words in the title does not change the meaning at all, its up to everyone to chose how to put sentences together so it feels pleasant to say and to read/write.
So anyway you put it, it will still mean "god from the machine", no more, no less.
Im sorry my English isn't as good as my latin.
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Si vis pacem, para bellumLast edited by Origin; 29 August 2005, 05:26 AM.
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Originally posted by OriginThe sequence of words does not change the meaning at all.
For example cogito ergo sum (I think, therefore I am) means the exakt same thing as sum ergo cogito that means the same thing as ergo sum cogito...
So the order of the words in the title does not change the meaning at all, its up to everyone to chose how to put sentences together so it feels pleasant to say and to read/write.
"Ex Deus Machina" by my research could be "Out of Gods Machine" while
"Deus Ex Machina" is "God from the machine"
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With all due respect, you are wrong. The preferred order of words is as you say but you can put them in any order without any additional letters and get the EXACT same meaning. Ancient languages is my major and Latin is my specialization. I have 3 years of university studys to back me up, but for good measure I also checked with my professor.
What research have you done? Google?
Oh well, I have told you all how it is and if you wish to keep on thinking about it, go ahead..
Good episode though.
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Originally posted by OriginI have studied Latin for 3 years and you are actually wrong, all of you.
The sequence of words does not change the meaning at all.
For example cogito ergo sum (I think, therefore I am) means the exakt same thing as sum ergo cogito that means the same thing as ergo sum cogito...
So the order of the words in the title does not change the meaning at all, its up to everyone to chose how to put sentences together so it feels pleasant to say and to read/write.
So anyway you put it, it will still mean "god from the machine", no more, no less.
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Originally posted by OriginWith all due respect, you are wrong. The preferred order of words is as you say but you can put them in any order without any additional letters and get the EXACT same meaning. Ancient languages is my major and Latin is my specialization. I have 3 years of university studys to back me up, but for good measure I also checked with my professor.
What research have you done? Google?
Oh well, I have told you all how it is and if you wish to keep on thinking about it, go ahead..
Good episode though.
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Si vis pacem, para bellum
However as many people know, even those who dont speak latin, the term Duex Ex Machina has been extended in literature to refer to a story that ends in a way that doesnt pay any regard to the story's logic. Kind of like a quick fix in a story. Thus the phrase has meaning in modern day English. (But that's not really the point - Im babbling )
In English swapping around the order of words does have an effect. It is a simple play on words. Sure, everyone who speaks latin will know that it means the same, and yes technically it's wrong, but for everyone who speaks english (or many other languages for that matter) will just think of it as a play on words (or just think it's a title that's really hard to pronounce )
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I see your point. I just feel strongly about miss conceptions when it comes to Latin and the original post really got me going.
In the sense of an English play on words, its quite good..
Lets leave it at that.
Next time I post I will try not to come off as a total *******...
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Si vis pacem, para bellumLast edited by Origin; 29 August 2005, 06:31 AM.
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That's just thinking to hard.
I am going to go with the latin switching the words around meaning the same thing theory.
It is a name for a show. Like any name, you can spell it anyway you want. Sean-Shawn, Michael-Micheal, Steven-Stephen*Post in Peace, Yah or Nah*
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Originally posted by OriginI have studied Latin for 3 years and you are actually wrong, all of you.
The sequence of words does not change the meaning at all.
For example cogito ergo sum (I think, therefore I am) means the exakt same thing as sum ergo cogito that means the same thing as ergo sum cogito...
So the order of the words in the title does not change the meaning at all, its up to everyone to chose how to put sentences together so it feels pleasant to say and to read/write.
So anyway you put it, it will still mean "god from the machine", no more, no less.
Im sorry my English isn't as good as my latin.
Hallowed be the Ori.
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Si vis pacem, para bellum
Mattathias
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