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    Default Re: TPTB screwed up a Title??? (Spoilers... Ex Deus Machina)

    Quote Originally Posted by Origin
    I have studied Latin for 3 years and you are actually wrong, all of you.
    The sequence of words does not change the meaning at all.
    For example cogito ergo sum (I think, therefore I am) means the exakt same thing as sum ergo cogito that means the same thing as ergo sum cogito...

    So the order of the words in the title does not change the meaning at all, its up to everyone to chose how to put sentences together so it feels pleasant to say and to read/write.
    So anyway you put it, it will still mean "god from the machine", no more, no less.
    Interesting. So, how would you say (or rather, write) "from god's machine" in Latin?

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    Default Re: TPTB screwed up a Title??? (Spoilers... Ex Deus Machina)

    Quote Originally Posted by Origin
    With all due respect, you are wrong. The preferred order of words is as you say but you can put them in any order without any additional letters and get the EXACT same meaning. Ancient languages is my major and Latin is my specialization. I have 3 years of university studys to back me up, but for good measure I also checked with my professor.

    What research have you done? Google?

    Oh well, I have told you all how it is and if you wish to keep on thinking about it, go ahead..

    Good episode though.

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    Yes, I know what you are saying - no matter what order the words are in it means the same in Latin.

    However as many people know, even those who dont speak latin, the term Duex Ex Machina has been extended in literature to refer to a story that ends in a way that doesnt pay any regard to the story's logic. Kind of like a quick fix in a story. Thus the phrase has meaning in modern day English. (But that's not really the point - Im babbling )

    In English swapping around the order of words does have an effect. It is a simple play on words. Sure, everyone who speaks latin will know that it means the same, and yes technically it's wrong, but for everyone who speaks english (or many other languages for that matter) will just think of it as a play on words (or just think it's a title that's really hard to pronounce )

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    Default Re: TPTB screwed up a Title??? (Spoilers... Ex Deus Machina)

    I see your point. I just feel strongly about miss conceptions when it comes to Latin and the original post really got me going.

    In the sense of an English play on words, its quite good..

    Lets leave it at that.

    Next time I post I will try not to come off as a total *******...

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    Default Re: TPTB screwed up a Title??? (Spoilers... Ex Deus Machina)

    Seriously, you've piqued my interest now. I wanna know about that translation I proposed.

    Don't make me hold my breath.

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    Default Re: TPTB screwed up a Title??? (Spoilers... Ex Deus Machina)

    ex deum machinae

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    Default Re: TPTB screwed up a Title??? (Spoilers... Ex Deus Machina)

    That's just thinking to hard.

    I am going to go with the latin switching the words around meaning the same thing theory.

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    Default Re: TPTB screwed up a Title??? (Spoilers... Ex Deus Machina)

    Quote Originally Posted by Origin
    I have studied Latin for 3 years and you are actually wrong, all of you.
    The sequence of words does not change the meaning at all.
    For example cogito ergo sum (I think, therefore I am) means the exakt same thing as sum ergo cogito that means the same thing as ergo sum cogito...

    So the order of the words in the title does not change the meaning at all, its up to everyone to chose how to put sentences together so it feels pleasant to say and to read/write.
    So anyway you put it, it will still mean "god from the machine", no more, no less.

    Im sorry my English isn't as good as my latin.

    Hallowed be the Ori.

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    And "God from the Machine" exactly describes Ba'al's activities in this episode...

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    Default Re: TPTB screwed up a Title??? (Spoilers... Ex Deus Machina)

    yug

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    Default Re: TPTB screwed up a Title??? (Spoilers... Ex Deus Machina)

    Tptb were probably just playing with the words, is all.

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    Default Re: TPTB screwed up a Title??? (Spoilers... Ex Deus Machina)

    Daniel should have cleared it up in the episode with his Latin lol.
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    Default Re: TPTB screwed up a Title??? (Spoilers... Ex Deus Machina)

    Check out the wikipedia site if you want to know more:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_ex_machina

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    Default Re: TPTB screwed up a Title??? (Spoilers... Ex Deus Machina)

    Quote Originally Posted by Qtyled
    Check out the wikipedia site if you want to know more:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_ex_machina
    ahaha good thinking. rep for you! and wiki has already updated it too!
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    Default Re: TPTB screwed up a Title??? (Spoilers... Ex Deus Machina)

    Quote Originally Posted by Xanderic
    Ex means Former in ITALIAN not Latin

    From: http://catholic.archives.nd.edu/cgi-...it.pl?latin=ex
    Yeah, except they said it was a play on words, so I doubt it should be translated literally.

    As for the Ex-God thing, I noticed that in the episode listings it's listed as Ex-Deus Machina, with the hyphen.
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