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    Default Re: Are the Goa'uld once again a dying race?

    Quote Originally Posted by ColdZero
    Why would they implant new Jaffa with symbiotes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by normeo
    Jaffa are human, why don't people realise this, the only thing different is the fact they have pouches, jaffa children are born with an immune system, and HAVE NOT GOT a pouch, the reason they don't have an immune system after being given a pouch is so they remain dependant on the goa'uld to live. THATS IT
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    Also watch the episode Birthright again.

    Birthright - The Hak'tyl resistance steals symbiotes from other Jaffa for their children, who require a symbiote upon reaching the Age of Prata.
    There is plenty of evidence to suggest that the immune system of a Jaffa child begins to fail BEFORE they receive a symbiote. The pouch is created during the Primtah ceremony so that the symbiote can be implanted but they do need the symbiote to live.

    I don't remember the episode but if I remember it right it was mentioned that the Jaffa have been genetically altered to require a symbiote. If only so that their dependency on their gods is absolute.

    The Age of Prata: Jaffa term equivalent to puberty, a time at which the ceremony of implantation occurs and a young Jaffa receives his or her first prim'tah (larval Goa'uld symbiote). If one is not given, the child will die, as many Jaffa groups have been genetically engineered to become dependent on symbiotes.
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    Earth Symbol Re: Are the Goa'uld once again a dying race?

    It is safe to say that the Jaffa will eventually be replaced, they have become too hard to trust for the Goa'uld, with so many free Jaffa it would be a big risk for a Goa'uld to use them, but they do need to be replaced but by what?

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    The Gua'uld might be low in numbers now, But that will change when all of those symbiotes start taking hosts. Their are to many Jafa out there with zymbiotes to even consider that they are a dying breed.
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    Default Re: Are the Goa'uld once again a dying race?

    Quote Originally Posted by LORD MONK
    The Gua'uld might be low in numbers now, But that will change when all of those symbiotes start taking hosts. Their are to many Jafa out there with zymbiotes to even consider that they are a dying breed.
    I actually submitted a post, saw it after it posted, then gateworld went down and now its gone!!! Strange, anyway what I put was this: I heard in 1 ep that the goa'uld have 0 population growth rate because they are eating their own young or other goa'uld young!!! Does any1 know why this happens? This and the many goa'uld already died, the fact the jaffa no serves them (or most don't) and the drug the jaffa use means unless the goa'uld start living like the Tok'ra they are in alot of trouble. I haven't seen S9 but are there no more system lords at all? As for new symbiotes, the jaffa can kill them.


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    Default Re: Are the Goa'uld once again a dying race?

    I think no matter what, dying species or not, the goa'uld will be a thorn in our sides for a long time still. They aren't willing to disappear quietly, I'm sure.

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    Default Re: Are the Goa'uld once again a dying race?

    Quote Originally Posted by the fifth man
    I think no matter what, dying species or not, the goa'uld will be a thorn in our sides for a long time still. They aren't willing to disappear quietly, I'm sure.
    as we have seen with Ba'al... I thought the Free Jaffa were going to have normal children now that the Gou'ld system lords aren't in charge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seastallion
    I think the show has pretty much established that the story about the Goa'uld dying as a race was a myth. In the show it was pointed out that the story was mistaken about the circumstances of the Goa'uld. They weren't dying... they were using Unas as host originally (Unas being from their home world), but after they found Earth, they found that humans served as much better host. Humans are much more 'comfortable' places to live and use. Humans are essentially a more advanced race than the Unas, and the mammalian nature of humans versus the reptilian nature of Unas makes humans more comfortable host. Reptiles aren't very 'soft' creatures, and as Hathor pointed out, the Goa'uld very much enjoy human sensuality. (sex, for those who didn't get it... ) I mean really... how would you like rubbing up against a scaly rough body?? LOL Humans have lots of advantages over Unas, and as Ra pointed out, humans are also easier to repare then most host creatures.

    As to Ra's 'alien' body shown in the film... it is largely ignored by the TV show. In fact many things in the movie are ignored, and only the TV show is considered canon. Yeah, it looked sort of 'Asgardish' but the TV show wasn't around then, so there were no Asgard and the form that the Goa'uld would be shown in also wasn't until after the TV show came about.
    Anyone have a screenshot/picture of what that form looked like? I've completely forgotten.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snork
    Anyone have a screenshot/picture of what that form looked like? I've completely forgotten.
    It sorta looked like the aliens from Roswell New Mexico. Like the ubducty scetches. Like Thor. That was also before they even thought of a series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by normeo
    Jaffa are human, why don't people realise this, the only thing different is the fact they have pouches, jaffa children are born with an immune system, and HAVE NOT GOT a pouch, the reason they don't have an immune system after being given a pouch is so they remain dependant on the goa'uld to live. THATS IT

    You are correct according to the season one episode "Bloodlines". but in season seven's "Birthright", this information is contridicted. So I'd say that their born with the pouch because the most recent info is most likely canon.

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    Default Re: Are the Goa'uld once again a dying race?

    Well, if the Goa'uld are staying for the long term (and they really ought to), they need someone beside Ba'al and Ba'al flunkies like Nesus. Fine, they killed off Yu; I accepted that and moved on. What about Amaterasu?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Major_Griff
    You are correct according to the season one episode "Bloodlines". but in season seven's "Birthright", this information is contridicted. So I'd say that their born with the pouch because the most recent info is most likely canon.
    I don't remember "Birthright" ever suggesting that the young Jaffa were born with pouches. They said that the children were genetically altered to depend on symbiotes once they hit puberty, but that was all. They never said anything about pouches. We know from multiple examples that the pouches are made after the fact. (Including the episode that introduced Hathor)
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