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    Default Re: Convention Ettiquette: Discussion and Advice on Do's and Don'ts

    Quote Originally Posted by Skydiver
    people are not above using thier children to get attention. I've seen it before. they drag their little ones to a con and push them at the actors, hoping to get the kids, and themselves, noticed.

    i'm not trying to be rude about the kids and i understand that babysitters can be hard to find...but i've also sat in a con hall and had to deal with a crying baby which meant that i couldn't hear the actor.

    or upset and fussy kids, or kids that are left to run amuck while mom and dad sit and watch the panel...thus ruinign it for the rest of us.

    IMHO, kids have no places at many cons and parents should accept and be aware of that fact.
    and if you have to bring your kids, the little beggers better behave or you need to take them outside and leave the rest of us in peace
    I remember 1 con were 2 kids spent maybe 10 minutes counting to 10 in maybe 5 different langueges to Teryl. (They NEARLY got the welsh right!) TR took it in her stride. The mother was laughing. Some people were muttering.

    Ok it was cute to a point.IMO it was taking valuble time of the Q&A session. There quite a few fans waiting to ask questions.
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    Default Re: Convention Ettiquette: Discussion and Advice on Do's and Don'ts

    After my experience today I have one "don't" to add and this is my own personal experience, I am not speaking of other attendees who may be in Chicago. No matter how good a friend they are, don't bring a friend who wants only to tag along on the trip and not go to the convention. I missed what I am sure was a wonderful dinner this evening and spent about an hour apologizing to numerous patrons in the lounge.

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    I'm afraid I'm one of those people taking a baby to cons. I don't have a choice right now as I am breast feeding. But I don't want to ruin the con for everyone else! At Creation Con in London I spent most of Tom McBeath's talk right down the back of the hall as the sound from the mic's really freaked the baby out! For Michael's talk I made sure I had a bottle with me, which 'plugged' the problem although the baby made a few sqawks, nothing that annoyed anyone else I hope.

    My main concern was the pram (buggy) that I had parked in front of me (I was in the front row, hence the bottle rather than feeding the baby myself). Hope that didn't bother anyone - I did ask around everyone, I hope they weren't just being polite! But it did help to be able to rock baby in it to soothe him if he got a bit bored.

    Having the baby there was a great ice breaker and a way of getting conversation going. Tom McBeath spent a while cooing over him in the restaurant at dinner, my only disappointment being that I wasn't there at the time! Oh well, I'll hopefully get to meet Tom properly one day.

    But I do agree with what everyone is saying here, if you're going to bring kids and babies along you do have to respect other people. I fully accept that I may miss chunks of the best bits. If baby isn't in a good mood I'm not going to inflict that on everyone in a talk. And likewise, I think that toddlers are just too disruptive full stop. I've never seen one at a con, and I know that I won't be bringing mine once he's mobile!
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    well, I think there's a world of difference between bringing a baby cos you HAVE to, and keeping said baby quiet, compared to having disruptive kids who drive you batty..... I know there were a couple of kids in Vancouver last time, and I thought, how nice that they're doing this as a family, followed by annoyance that they were being quite disruptive

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    There is also a world of difference between parents who try to make sure the kids do the right thing and enjoy the show like everyone else and those who do not. And seeing little babies at the cons, I would not mind at all if they were not disruptive and I would gush over them like most people would. I also understand the "have to" side to this.

    I personally do not mind children going at any age, there were several here in Chicago yesterday and from what I saw, they were extremely well behaved and enjoyed the show as much as the rest of us.

    I would never bring my 6 year old because even though she loves SG1 and really wanted to come, she would not be able to sit still for more than 10 minutes at a time.

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    Thanks for the thread. Good pointers.

    I really want to stress that the actors are only actors. I remember reading that some crazed fan was stalking David Boreanaz (sp?) of Angel and was trying to kill him because she really thought he was a vampire. Now, in that case it's very extreme but still.

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    there is a world of difference between folks that bring thier children who are well behaved. who are congizent of others and aware of the child and take pains to keep said child under control or quiet. I'm not expecting folks who have children to lock themselves away and never venture out...but i am saying that bringing your child is like bringing your best friend....if they cna't behave or be made to behave and not disrupt the con for others, then they have no place there.

    if your baby does noting but cry and is colicky then it might not be good to bring them. a little critter that lies quietly in its bassinet, hey most of the folks wont' even know that they're there.

    I know at gatecon a couple of times, folks did bring thier children...and then spent a ton of time pushing said child at the actors, getting them up on stage, using them to try and cut into lines, etc.

    I have to say, callous as i may sound, i would have the same issue with someone who brought a developmentally challenged individual to the con, someone who was incapable of remaining quiet and was disruptive

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skydiver
    people are not above using thier children to get attention. I've seen it before. they drag their little ones to a con and push them at the actors, hoping to get the kids, and themselves, noticed.

    i'm not trying to be rude about the kids and i understand that babysitters can be hard to find...but i've also sat in a con hall and had to deal with a crying baby which meant that i couldn't hear the actor.

    or upset and fussy kids, or kids that are left to run amuck while mom and dad sit and watch the panel...thus ruinign it for the rest of us.

    IMHO, kids have no places at many cons and parents should accept and be aware of that fact.
    and if you have to bring your kids, the little beggers better behave or you need to take them outside and leave the rest of us in peace
    Even though I don't have kids, I don't mind kids at cons if they are well behaved. If they run around like hellions, scream at the top of their lungs, do the rest of the paying attendees a favor and leave them at home with a sitter. If a baby starts to cry during a talk and can't be shushed in a few seconds, the parent should depart the room with the baby and quiet it down so the rest of the people can hear.

    I think the thing that bothers me the most at cons are fans who put the actor in an embarrassing situation ("hey, it's my mom's birthday, can you sing happy birthday to her! (or give a hug, or a kiss, or somthing personal like that)).

    When asking a questions of an actor, don't begin with a long drawn-out "I love your work, you are so cool," etc etc thing as obviously you think the actor is great or else you wouldn't have paid $$$ to go to the con. Please, spare everybody else your overflowing adoration

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    This year I'm going with Hubby to the Gabit Con and the L3 Atlantis Con.

    Although Gabit allows children to attend,Hubs and I decided that we didn't want to cheese other Con-goers off in any way,if the kids were to get bored or squabble,so we've arranged for his family to step in and house sit during our absence.

    Level 3 is an 18+ event,and we've arranged for the kids to go to my best friend for the whole w/e.

    Thus we're free to just enjoy the events,meet other fans,and hopefully cut down on making any newbie gaffes. *Fingers crossed*

    Reading through the other posts/links,I wonder exactly why the parents of disruptive kids think it's acceptable to push their children at the actors,or merrily guide them into plain rude behaviour, that in any other setting they probably would not allow ?

    If Kid X thought it was proper behaviour to follow/harrass CJ by intruding on his toilet break...then would Kid X or his parents condone the same behaviour if they had house guests ,or if the kid was curious about a stranger using any other public conveniences ?

    I'm pretty sure the parents would angrily deny their little honeybun would go up to a complete stranger in that way...but they don't actually "know" CJ or MS either.They obviously assume they can take liberties as they paid to go and see them.

    All we fans see are the tv performances,and the public personae.We don't own the person behind the characters we love.Nor should anyone expect to ,imo.

    I'm also wondering what Con organisers can do to improve the situation.

    Surely,in the interest of smooth running, organisers could state in their conditions that any OTT behaviour will not be tolerated and that children are subject to the same boundaries as adults,and firmly state the penalties for non-compliance with the stewards ?

    Also a highly visible list in Con rooms and the Con lists/forums of items they'll sign and things they won't, might cut down on the possible embarrassment to the actors .

    I agree with others that grabbing the actors,or expecting personal contact/special treatment are "don'ts".Let the actors themselves instigate a handshake or hug.Then briefly respond,make way, and let the next person have their moment.

    I don't go all touchy-feely with most people I know in RL,so I certainly don't intend to assault Amanda at Gabit,or the various guests at L3 either....I don't want to be the next idiot we discuss on the forums !

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    FHB's post nicely describes one of the cardinal rules of con etiquette:

    Treat the actors with the same courtesy you would extend to every stranger you meet!

    Because no matter how familiar the actors seem to you, no matter how often they've been in your living room via the TV screen - you don't know them at all and they certainly don't know you. You are strangers!

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    I was at the con yesterday; it was pretty cool. My first time at a convention for a tv show. Some people can be rather wierd (to put it politely), some large woman behind me kept whistling and "Ooooh yeah!!" at Tony while he was holding some ~10yo.. Both Tony and Teryl were a blast to listen to. I also got mugged.. er.. I bought a coffee mug, now I'm gonna have to start drinking coffee (should I be glad I didn't buy a shot glass?).

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    one more thing, for the most part, the folks that are working the con are just volunteers or low paid grunts. They're not the folks with the money that are making the rules....those guys usually are the ones schmoozing with the actors or are safely in thier offices somewhere so that they DON'T have to deal with the rabble = ie con attendees

    If the line to the photos is too long, it's probably not the volunteer's fault. If a rule sucks, they probably didn't make it.
    If a person is pushed to the front of the queue because s/he is 'special', they probably didn't make that determination...the suits did.

    I guess the point of my rant is, there is something called Con Time. Things happen when they happen, which is not necessarily when they're scheduled. Be patient and please don't take it out on the poor schmoes who are standing outside the door. Nine times out of Ten, they're just worker bees and don't have the abilty to make decisions or declarations. Theyu're just there to do a job

    And from the point of view of a person who's volunteered at a few cons...People who get in my face do not engender feelings in me to try to assist them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feli
    FHB's post nicely describes one of the cardinal rules of con etiquette:

    Treat the actors with the same courtesy you would extend to every stranger you meet!

    Because no matter how familiar the actors seem to you, no matter how often they've been in your living room via the TV screen - you don't know them at all and they certainly don't know you. You are strangers!
    Thing is though, they are one heck of a lot easier to chat to than most strangers. OK, so I wouldn't do anything moronic and would never consider any of the actors 'mates' but it can be very easy to grab a few mins with them if you don't give off nutjob vibes...you just have to not take anything for granted.

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    Wow. Great info.

    My head's spinning because of all the Do and Dont's.

    Vancouver 2006 will be my first ever Con of any sort, so it's a good thing I found this thread now!

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    I was a con with Dirk Benedict and I was witin about 8 feet of him and I started quoting the A-Team by saying "Face, we need to take a flight so we need to tackle BA and knock him out!"

    He sorta backed away slowly.

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    1 Go to have a good time.
    2 Go to enjoy the actors talk about their work (maybe life) in and outside of work.
    3 Go to enjoy other people of a like mind. It is 3-4 days of multi track action no matter who is organizing the convention.
    4 Did I say Go to have a good time? Take breaks when you need it. Too much of any con and you burn out. Search out #3 and you will find others needing a break. While not advocating Caffeine/Smoking … they do offer some stress reduction to those who imbibe.
    5 Don’t hate the front of the queue etiquette at some shows ... for those who honestly need it. It could be you, as I have pointed out to a few people grousing at me, the grunt.
    6 Children should be respectful, in everyway possible. They are after all, a refection of you. Using the child as a shell, only makes you look like a stage parent.
    7 Complain when it is warranted. Perhaps complain is too strong a word to some, or, perhaps not strong enough. But do inform the organizers when you having a problem so they know and can correct it there. Don’t post three weeks later when you’re really mad about missing that autograph session. Many organizers provide a method of getting missed opportunities correct quickly at the convention.
    8 Did I say have a good time?
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    Wholeheartedly agree with #1, and 8!!!

    Also with #7: contrary to public opinion con organizers do NOT know what's going on at any given time in any place of the convention! If there is something wrong then let them know - politely! Don't come whining and crying weeks after the fact!

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    Wholeheartedly agree with #1, and 8!!!

    Also with #7: contrary to public opinion con organizers do NOT know what's going on at any given time in any place of the convention! If there is something wrong then let them know - politely! Don't come whining and crying weeks after the fact!
    yep. they can't fix it if they don't know it's broke.

    Also, cons are notorious for long days and short nights and, usually, by sunday folks are getting tired and cranky. From the POV of someone who got screamed at more than once, bear this in mind when something happens.

    At the end of the day, it's a con, not brain surgery. No one dies - usually

    Keep it in perspective.

    A con is to be fun, not a contest. There's no first prize for whomever collects the most autos or snaps pics of the most actors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skydiver
    one more thing, for the most part, the folks that are working the con are just volunteers or low paid grunts. They're not the folks with the money that are making the rules....
    If the line to the photos is too long, it's probably not the volunteer's fault. If a rule sucks, they probably didn't make it.
    If a person is pushed to the front of the queue because s/he is 'special', they probably didn't make that determination...the suits did.

    I guess the point of my rant is, there is something called Con Time. Things happen when they happen, which is not necessarily when they're scheduled. Be patient and please don't take it out on the poor schmoes who are standing outside the door. Nine times out of Ten, they're just worker bees and don't have the abilty to make decisions or declarations. Theyu're just there to do a job
    I wanted to respond to this as I am just getting over the Chicago Con which was my first SG1 con and I have to say that the volunteers who worked this con were absolutely great! You could tell that some of them were falling asleep on their feet but they were still extremely nice to deal with and were smiling. I was very impressed. When I was in line to get autographs, photos, etc., I always made sure to say hi to the volunteer also and ask how their day was. They provided much needed assistance and information as well as suggestions and amusing stories.

    I thanked as many of them as I could but if I missed any and they come to this board, a HUGE THANK YOU to all of you who helped make the con so enjoyable for everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skydiver
    At the end of the day, it's a con, not brain surgery. No one dies - usually
    *grumbles*

    Tell that to my body, it's currently trying to break the record for the longest suffering from a case of con crud! While I still have ways to go to reach Mumsey's 3 months from last year, I've already started the second round of antibiotics...

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