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    I thought it was a pretty good episode.

    We got a little more information about the Unas, and Daniel made a new friend.

    Stuff from the commentary (I had to take notes because there's a lot of stuff):
    • Peter was mostly serious in this commentary
    • An inspiration for this episode was from the movie "Enemy Mine," not to be confused with the episode in Season 7
    • The amount of references to the movie Predator
    • Robert Rothman is named after Jonathan Glassner's Lawyer
    • Pierce is named after Brad Wright's nephew.
    • The larva in the water is a fish on fishing line.
    • The whole larva in the fire was created by Shanks
    • That's a crew member, he screwed up the shot many times because he always grabbed his radio
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    • When Rothman is revealed to be a Goa'uld and hits Teal'c with his staff, took 3 takes because the staff prop broke each time.
    • Killing Rothman was not Peter's idea, he's friends with Rothman's actor.
    • The drowning scene was shot in slow motion, then played at normal speed during the episode.


    Tomorrow, I don't know what's going to happen, haven't seen the episode in a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NowIWillDestroyAbydos View Post
    • Peter was mostly serious in this commentary
    Hm. Might make it one of the rare PDL commentaries that's worth watching.

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    Whilst this episode always reminds me of one of my favourite movies 'Enemy Mine', it's good for finding out more about the origins of the Goa'uld.

    Explains why Hathor hatched them into water and they milled around in there until implantation. They were always kept in tanks of water by the priests on Chulak as seen in season 1's 'Bloodlines'. I guess the primeval Goa'uld lurked in that lake until they were strong enough to jump out and get their ready supply of initially unsuspecting hosts who would always come for water. I guess this is how they evolved to find other ways of maturing outside of the water as the Unas hosts took them through the stargate in the early days.

    "Toss the symbiote head" game, always a fun moment to watch.

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    This one's my favourite.
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    "A big 'Hello' to all intelligent life out there, and for everyone else, the secret is to bang the rocks together, guys!"
    "Excuse me, barmaid? You seem to have brought me the wrong offspring. I ordered an extra large boy with beefy arms, extra guts and glory on the side. This here, this is a talking fishbone!"
    "I'm Jack. It means... what's in the box?"


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    Quote Originally Posted by fems View Post
    Overall they're only confronted with being snaked by an enemy and I doubt gorgets would stop them.
    They seemed to work for the Unas..

    "Toss the symbiote head" game, always a fun moment to watch.
    That always made me crack up as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garhkal View Post
    They seemed to work for the Unas..
    But SGC personnel is usually only under threat of being snaked by an enemy who has captured them; Unless those gorgets would be fused to their skin, I doubt they have any preventative effect...
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    This episode makes for a fun drinking game. Everytime Daniel says or does something boring you drink a shot. By the end of the episode I was engaging in a duel with the fridge

    Joking aside this episode is just dull. It explains in its own rights why all the aliens speak English. Spending all the time Daniel takes to understand how to communicate with CHaka is just boring and I find myself doing other tasks to keep me awake. I was more interested in seeing SG1 chasing Daniel and the insuring Goa'uld posession that hapened as a result of being on the Goa'uld homeworld. It was a surprise to me to see Rothman as a Goa'uld and unfortunate he died. First use of a P90 which in itself is awesome
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    Why didn't Samantha Carter detect the goa'uld in Hawkins and Rothman??
    Too bad the character Rothman was dispensed with. I thought he had potential in the two episodes I saw with him in them.
    Poor Chaka........He could have had potential to become the equivalent of a Klingon in Star Trek the Next Generation. But I did notice that the mask and teeth were the same as those of a couple of aliens on the new Outer Limits..........

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    Sam can detect naquadah, but these primordial symbiotes don't have naquadah in their systems so there was nothing for her to detect.
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    I should have remembered. ;-)
    Anyway, didn't Teal'c say he was going off to find Daniel after everyone was tied up? I guess it was a ruse because he knew at least one was a goa'uld, so he decided just to wait around and fool the goa'uld.
    Isn't there the chance that as soon as the person is shot the goa'uld will jump out and penetrate someone else?

    I assume that the primitive Unas live on a planet with no goa'uld possessed Unas. I wonder why the goa'ulds even ever wanted to bother to use the Unas as hosts considering how little benefit they could provide since the goa'uld were more intelligent than the Unas.

    Didn't the SGC team on the planet take any precautions since they knew they were on the goa'uld home world?
    Like not go near the water? Pretty simple precaution........

    How did Hawkins and even Rothman get goa'ulded when the Unas had killed everyone except Daniel?


    Quote Originally Posted by fems View Post
    Sam can detect naquadah, but these primordial symbiotes don't have naquadah in their systems so there was nothing for her to detect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave2 View Post
    I wonder why the goa'ulds even ever wanted to bother to use the Unas as hosts considering how little benefit they could provide since the goa'uld were more intelligent than the Unas.
    The Unas are extremely powerful, physically. During the initial scramble for dominance, that could be key.

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    When a goa'uld takes a host and the host is completely overpowered, how does the goa'uld imitate the host so that no one knows about the takeover, as in the case of Rothman and Hawkins?

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    The symbiote has accsess to the host's memories which presumably includes characteristics.

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    But we never saw that earlier in Apophis, etc. etc. The goa'uld was the one always talking and never imitating the host. But here we are seeing the goa'uld completely imitating the host??

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt G View Post
    The symbiote has accsess to the host's memories which presumably includes characteristics.

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    It occurred to me when Chaka scratched Daniel that the SG teams are totally unprotected not only from the superbugs that are the subject on occasion of an episode, but everyday germs of planets for which an individual has no defenses and may or may not be contagious. A nail scratch from an Unas by itself could be disgustingly deadly. Not to mention breathing whatever such a creature exhales. And this could be true even among humanoids from different planets. I would think they need special masks wherever they go. And that blue "blood" from the goa'uld that Chaka smeared on Daniel......yuck.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave2 View Post
    But we never saw that earlier in Apophis, etc. etc. The goa'uld was the one always talking and never imitating the host. But here we are seeing the goa'uld completely imitating the host??
    Thier was never any reason to imitate the host for Apophis. Goa'uld think themself superior and would prefer to use their "echoed" voice but they can sound human if they prefer it.
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    Thanks. What a relief...... ;-)

    Quote Originally Posted by jelgate View Post
    Thier was never any reason to imitate the host for Apophis. Goa'uld think themself superior and would prefer to use their "echoed" voice but they can sound human if they prefer it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave2 View Post
    When a goa'uld takes a host and the host is completely overpowered, how does the goa'uld imitate the host so that no one knows about the takeover, as in the case of Rothman and Hawkins?
    The goa'ulds in this episode had plenty of time after invading Hawkins and Rothman to discover everything there was to know about each of them, and then imitate them. Hawkins was missing for a period of time toward the beginning, right after Daniel had been snatched, and then he was brought back in something of a state of shock. There was plenty of time for that goa'uld to learn about him and thus behave exactly as Hawkins would have.

    We don't know exactly when Rothman was invaded, whether it was during the time on the planet before Daniel was snatched or after he came back from the SGC with a rescue party. In any event, it seems it had plenty of time to find out everything about him and impersonate him until it was discovered.

    And the fact that these symbiotes had no naquadah in them kept Sam and Teal'c from recognizing the two men had been taken over. Who knows what they could have gotten away with if they had gone undetected?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NowIWillDestroyAbydos View Post
    The drowning scene was shot in slow motion, then played at normal speed during the episode.
    Is this the scene where Daniel is swimming across the lake to escape from Chaka ?

    I think that Daniel would have tried to communicate with Chaka until he became dinner—Anthropologist to the (roasted) end!

    Dion Johnstone, who played Chaka did a fantastic job. Chaka was primitive, bur still very intelligent. The UAV scene between Dion and Michael was well played, by both men; Chaka’s fear and the understanding that Daniel displays is the start of their relationship. The “fire side” scenes bond them together; demonstrated in the symbiote head toss and Daniel’s energy bar. Even after Chaka’s marking him for death, Daniel can’t kill him, and he goes onto remove the bullet from Chaka. Daniel’s willingness to risk his life for others is a theme that runs through the entire series.

    Many of Daniel’s lines in this episode are priceless:
    Moon chant, what was I thinking?
    I won’t do that again—over and over again.

    No, you know, if I’m the main course, I’d rather you fill up on the appetizers.

    Don’t say Kaa until you’ve tried it. (Daniel channeling his inward parent?)

    Daniel: I know that we have the beginnings of a beautiful relationship, but I don’t know if your folks would understand

    And then there’s Chaka trying to say “Daniel”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave2 View Post
    But we never saw that earlier in Apophis, etc. etc. The goa'uld was the one always talking and never imitating the host. But here we are seeing the goa'uld completely imitating the host??
    Why would Apothis ever want to impersonate his host? Everyone that ever knew that particular host is now dust.

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