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    Visually stunning, but after everyone jumps off the plane I actually find this one a bit dull for some reason. Marina Sirtis is great, but the story never really gets going and there's a bit too much wondering about what is going on. I particularly don't enjoy the scenes in the submarine, despite Daniel's brilliant, "but it's Swiss!" line. Maybourne's appearance is certainly unexpected and pretty weird!

    The episode marks the start of the big Russian storyline which runs through the rest of the show, and we find out what happened to our original Stargate, which is nice.

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    I love this episode while recognizing it has a lot of flaws. I love the way Daniel channels Jack (and admits it!) and the way RDA looks like MacGyver just before he jumps out of the plane (the only point in the entire series where I always think of Mac).

    At the same time, it bugs me that we get hints of dumb Jack (with his background, do you seriously expect me to believe he doesn't already know what substance 39 is?)

    It's slow and weird, and I like it a lot.

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    They also dumb down Daniel at one moment for the benefit of the audience, where he asks what happens when the outside pressure gets too much. Very annoying, as it's not difficult to understand.

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    Not many weak eps so far this season. Unfortunately this is one of them.

    It has some interesting things like the Russians having the original gate and a DHD. And the start of the relationship between Russia and America for the show. Not something I enjoy.

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    Some good parts to the episode, like Teal'c and Daniels reactions to jumping out of the plain were fun to watch, especially compared to Jack and Sam, who've done this a few times and isn't anything to them. Some surprises with a few "guest stars", Mayborne's appearance surprised me the first time - and it really showcases, yet again the kind of person he is.

    I liked the end with what Jack said about the exchanging of hostages, it's a good example on how smart and observant Jack really is. He may not have book smarts like Carter, but he does have a lot of knowledge and experience in other important skills he does seem to have a little more knowledge (or maybe it's experience) of how the world and people work than his team mates.

    Not a bad episode overall. Not my favourite, but it does help set up for a lot of future episodes and story arcs.

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    Tuesday night and another ep of SG1.

    1. The Enkarans. Forgot they'd gotten a mention in this one.

    2. "The Russians have a Stargate?" Yeah.

    3. "This is not wise! I said it is easy, not wise. Mum was dead cert Teal'c would get in one hell of a mess with the parachute.

    4. The amount of Jackisms Daniel came out with made me wonder if Jack was originally meant to be on the sub.

    5. Don't think it clocked first time round that frozen-guy was Maybourne.

    Another S4 ep, another cool ep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt G View Post
    Tuesday night and another ep of SG1.

    1. The Enkarans. Forgot they'd gotten a mention in this one.

    2. "The Russians have a Stargate?" Yeah.

    3. "This is not wise! I said it is easy, not wise. Mum was dead cert Teal'c would get in one hell of a mess with the parachute.

    4. The amount of Jackisms Daniel came out with made me wonder if Jack was originally meant to be on the sub.

    5. Don't think it clocked first time round that frozen-guy was Maybourne.

    Another S4 ep, another cool ep.
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    A pretty good filter episode.

    So the Russians have their own Stargate Program. Also, this episode begins the downfall of Maybourne.

    Stuff from the Commentary (with a couple of pictures/screencaps, in spoiler tags to save space):
    • Kurt Russell visited the set during the opening scene
    • The plane is real
    • The plane's actual pilot is inspecting the plane (he's on the bottom, just before the image below (GW's screencap gallery doesn't have the proper image from the exact moment, just before and after))
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    • No Visual effects in this shot, they were really on the plane and it was moving (except when they "jumped" out). And that's water, not snow/ice
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    • Peter DeLuise created (suggested) this shot
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    • "Holy frozen bad guys" was an RDA ad-libed line.
    • The episode one more scene after the episode ended, but was cut out for time.


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    A bit of an odd one this. Never could decide if I really liked this episode, I don't dislike it either.

    Maybourne's surprise appearance was good though, really threw me when I first watched this. The whole scene after they found Maybourne in the freezer was funny.

    TEAL'C: Do not humans usually die when they are frozen?
    O'NEILL: Usually.
    O'NEILL: They usually don't breathe when they're dead either.

    I just found the fact that we never got to really find out what the water aliens really were like a bit frustrating, then again it could have ended up being a little like the movie 'Abyss'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt G View Post
    4. The amount of Jackisms Daniel came out with made me wonder if Jack was originally meant to be on the sub.
    Good point. If that's the case, I wonder why they switched to Daniel. The Jack-like things coming from Daniel sound kind of mean somehow when he says it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt G View Post
    4. The amount of Jackisms Daniel came out with made me wonder if Jack was originally meant to be on the sub.
    Just a thought - perhaps it was changed so Jack could make the comment to Markova about never having been on a submarine, when we all know that he'd been on the Russian sub in "Small Victories". From the look on Markova's face, I had the feeling she knew what had happened to the Russian sub and who had been on it when it was torpedoed.

    Plus, this way, now the whole team has been on a sub of one sort or another. This time being Sam and Daniel.

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    I don't love or hate this episode, but I still find it entertaining. The comments Jack and Daniel kept on making to Dr. Markov were funny. And I love how they found Maybourne frozen it's to bad he didn't stay that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hedwig View Post
    Just a thought - perhaps it was changed so Jack could make the comment to Markova about never having been on a submarine, when we all know that he'd been on the Russian sub in "Small Victories". From the look on Markova's face, I had the feeling she knew what had happened to the Russian sub and who had been on it when it was torpedoed.

    Plus, this way, now the whole team has been on a sub of one sort or another. This time being Sam and Daniel.
    My guess was that they originally wanted the whole team on board then for whatever reason decided that splitting the team was the better way to go but had already written lines for Jack in the sub!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt G View Post
    My guess was that they originally wanted the whole team on board then for whatever reason decided that splitting the team was the better way to go but had already written lines for Jack in the sub!
    I liked the whole "Sorry. I think I've been hanging around Jack O'Neill too much." explination.


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    I don't believe TPTB ever intended the lines to go to anyone other than the characters that spoke them. I don't believe that Jack was ever intended to go on the sub. There is absolutely no evidence for that interpretation, either in the script or in the commentary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seaboe Muffinchucker View Post
    I don't believe TPTB ever intended the lines to go to anyone other than the characters that spoke them. I don't believe that Jack was ever intended to go on the sub. There is absolutely no evidence for that interpretation, either in the script or in the commentary.

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    It's not fact, it's an assumption based on the lines being very Jack-like. I agree that there is no evidence for those lines not being intended for whoever said them.


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    I think it's just honestly Jack rubbing off on Daniel.
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    This is an interesting epiosde for me. Not because of the water aliens but more how it develops the Earth stories of SG1. This is a major one in how the Russians know about the Stargate and also apparently Maybourne is arrested. Although I still would have liked to know how he evaded capture after Shades of Gray. I also like seeing the tension betweem Jack and Russians as apparently old wounds still exist.

    The water aliens is a nice insight into a new type of alien lifeform we have never seen before but it was kind of predictible. The one interesting aspect is how they can inhabit a body like a Goa'uld. Apparently Jaffa aren't immune in this scenario
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunaeclipse View Post
    I liked the whole "Sorry. I think I've been hanging around Jack O'Neill too much." explination.
    Same here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaraBahama View Post
    Same here!
    You've been hanging out with Jack O'Neill too much? Can you tell me how I can get that gig?!

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