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    Quote Originally Posted by Metarock Sam
    This episode dealt with the fact that O'neill is afterall a military man and as he was slightly succumbed by the technology aswell as the way these people pretended to be helpless he didn't realise that he was on the wrong side. This also happens in Scorched Earth however with a little less shouting at Daniel. He then makes up for his mistake fro getting rid of the basicly Hitler if he was a clone. The amount of people that the man had orderd killed would probably have been thousands if not more so Jack closing the Iris to in effect kill Alar justifies itself.
    What if Alar had been allowed to come to earth? What would we have done with him? Chances are, we'd wait until we were able to, then send him back to his own people to be tried and executed (assuming the rebels won, which was what was implied would happen at the end of the episode). So anyway you look at it, Alar was on borrowed time.

    Truth be told, I was never bothered by what Jack did. I know some were disappointed with Jack. In fact I had always read the expression Sam gives him at the end as being that of "what a tragic waste"...but according to Amanda Tapping, she was expressing Sam's disappointment in Jack for "playing God" as it were.

    I however didn't see it that way at all.

    I would have been really disappointed had he not warned Alar very pointedly by specifically telling him NOT to follow them. Alar disregarded the warning and met his fate.

    And you know Alar understood what Jack meant, too, because he had lost people who came through the gate to earth at the beginning of the episode and it was in fact a major point in their dealings with each other...that it was unfortunate that those men were lost...so Alar knew about the iris.

    But as most despots are, he was a coward...no longer able to rely on the safety of his bunker to indiscriminately kill those he didn't approve of, apparently unable to further poison and murder the population above and knowing that he'd either be arrested or killed by those topside, he chose the "easy way out."

    I also like the fact that Jack was able to admit that Daniel and Sam were right...actually it was mostly Daniel but Sam agreed with his reasoning. Perhaps he realized that to go ahead and ally with a questionable people for the benefits of getting better technology was frighteningly similar to the NID's philosophy that acquiring technology should be done by any means necessary, regardless of moral implications.

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    I thought it was a mediocore episode

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    Quote Originally Posted by walter_MacChevron
    I thought it was a mediocore episode
    Funny, I always thought of it as just a so-so ep myself. Then I rewatched it yesterday to put a synopsis on the Sony sight and I found I really, really enjoyed this ep. Wonder if the ep is really that good or if I am just missing team eps so much that I even like the ep where the team is standing against one another (everyone vs Daniel in this case).

    Plus there were a couple of good scenes.
    Jack and his "didn’t I order you to get a life"
    Jack\Daniel and the teal'c "look" conversations.
    Teal'c and his "he is concealing something...... I do not know he is concealing it".

    Some annoying things.
    Jack and Daniel both had 'tudes' in this ep and Teal'c had the little caterpillar on his chin. But still it was a nice fighting family ep with everyone doing what they do.

    Jack was gung ho to complete the mission (acquire tech) at any cost (until they insulted his pal Teal'c)
    Carter was good dutiful 2IC reciting standing orders when ordered to do so.
    Daniel was gung-ho humanist that isn’t fond of giving people weapons even if we do get what we want.
    Teal'c strong, silent, dutiful (supportive of O'neill even if he was suspicious).
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    ^^^ Kinda sounds like seasons 9 and 10 of SG-1 to me. Thor, ya got Aspirin?

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    It's one of the great things about Jack Oneill. He made the decision, what he thought was right and did it. At first he chose to ignore the warnings and not ask the questions, but when he realized he was wrong he apologised and went full steam ahead with what was right. He didn't hum and haw. I greatly admire that. Uncompromising, doing what it takes even though I'm sure Jack wasn't happy that his command ended someones life. The guy got what was coming for him, and he was warned.
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    the best episode of stargate in my opinion...

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    i liked their advanced fighters i thought that technology would of been great on earth

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    I just re-watched this episode and I got so pissed..again! Every time I watch this episode I get so mad. They could have given them the heavy water and just be done with it. I do realize that the show would have been done though, LOL. Imagine they could have put their own forcefield around SGC and other important sites. I'm still pissed I get mad when morals get in the way of protecting Earth.

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    agree with you. we should of took their technology and then cut all ties with them!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by monkey_man132 View Post
    I'm still pissed I get mad when morals get in the way of protecting Earth.
    Imo it is our morals that makes us humans different from all the other sentient races out there. if we give them up we are no more than they are.

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    Who cares about morals man? We would have unmanned fighters with advance energy weapons possibly greater than that of the Goa'uld.We could have completed our standing orders by season 4, I know they show lasted longer and we finally have even better technology, but who cares.

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    I just brought S4 and saw this episode for the first time since I'd seen the episode. This time I actually got the problem and I was so amazed at this. It went from being an average episode to an amazing episode.

    I just loved how the Eurodans went from good to bad, and I think the story itself was excellent. What really shone to me was the character reactions after finding out they're teamed up with a Neo-Nazi.

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    I enjoyed this episode. The moral of the story seems to be played a little more subtly, than it is in some other episodes.

    I was surprised, though, that Jack didn't ask more questions from the outset; after all, this 'enemy' was unknown by the SG teams. I also thought that SG1 might show a bit more concern for the pilot, especially before so willingly embarking upon two or three more 'missions' themselves.
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    I enjoy this episode, I like Rene Auberjonois and I think he did a really good job in this episode of playing the baddy with a level of subtely that was effective and the writing told the story well.

    Plus all the little character interactions I really enjoy were rich!

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    Wow! I mean, wow! What a great episode. This is one of the best "moral question" episodes in the history of the franchise... in a very nuanced way too! Like, they figured out what was going on and were in the moral right in not helping, but was it right for them to actively destroy them on behalf of the "breeders" too? And was it right for Jack to raise the iris to kill Alar?

    Fantastic, fascinating episode!
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    When I look back on past seasons I often think that this one (along with Scorched Earth) are the best reasons for watching the show. Moral ambiguity isn't something that is done often (or well) on TV, especially not in Sci-fi (usually bad guys like Alar would be running around in easily identifiable "nazi"-ish uniforms to "help" the viewer decide)

    I miss this kind of writing, a lot.
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    I thought the episode overall was just... okay. I just didn't get into the story. It's decent, not great. But the flight control device things were ingenious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KindlyKeller View Post
    Wow! I mean, wow! What a great episode. This is one of the best "moral question" episodes in the history of the franchise... in a very nuanced way too! Like, they figured out what was going on and were in the moral right in not helping, but was it right for them to actively destroy them on behalf of the "breeders" too? And was it right for Jack to raise the iris to kill Alar?

    Fantastic, fascinating episode!
    I agree, Stargate meets the Master Race complex. To answer your questions no it wasn't right of them to crash the planes into the shields, however it was right to defend the enemy bombers containing human lives. As for your second question no it was not right of Jack to allow Alar to be killed. His punishment should have been a prison cell and a massive amount of work at Area 51 or something like that.

    That's my opinion anyways.

    Quote Originally Posted by Major Clanger
    When I look back on past seasons I often think that this one (along with Scorched Earth) are the best reasons for watching the show. Moral ambiguity isn't something that is done often (or well) on TV, especially not in Sci-fi (usually bad guys like Alar would be running around in easily identifiable "nazi"-ish uniforms to "help" the viewer decide)

    I miss this kind of writing, a lot.
    I agree it is ashame that we don't get these kind of episodes very often anymore. However, that doesn't make the new episodes bad, just different. I think it was Richard D. Anderson that made these "moral ambiguity" episodes as you called them as good as they were. Without him I don't think they would be any good anyways, so they might as well just keep blowing stuff up until they get another RDA.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ulkesh47
    I thought the episode overall was just... okay. I just didn't get into the story. It's decent, not great. But the flight control device things were ingenious.
    I agree the flight control was pretty cool, but I think you will agree that they had a really nasty side effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by captain jake View Post
    I agree the flight control was pretty cool, but I think you will agree that they had a really nasty side effect.
    Yeah, that guy looked like a zombie!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulkesh47 View Post
    Yeah, that guy looked like a zombie!
    I was laughing my head off when jack felt his own jaw to make sure it was normal.

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    I love aerial dogfights, intriguing moral dilemma and the message in this episode. Left me thinking some heavy thoughts.

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