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    Default Rodney McKay/John Sheppard Friendship Thread

    Ok so on the Rodney discussion thread and the Shep discussion thread there often seems to be *shock horror* discussion about their interaction with each other.

    Since this dynamic is my personal favourite on the show, I thought it warranted a thread unto itself .

    I realise there is already a Shep/Mckay ship thread, but this thread is not intended to be ship (or slash), just a place to discuss their interactions and the evolution of their friendship.

    Though, of course, that discussion can definitely include ship and slash.

    Ok, so to get the ball rolling, I move a motion that Shep and Rodney are much more alike than either of them would ever likely admit.

    I mean there is the whole mensa, smart maths thing, their geeky glee at all shiny new technology (so long as it goes really fast and has potentially cool weapons) and their stunning inability to admit their own shortcomings or *gasp* that they may in fact be wrong (note Shep in Hot Zone and McKay...well McKay in every episode).

    So. What do YOU think?

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    I really like the whole Sheppard/McKay dynamic. Their bickering with each other makes me laugh. The way they'll get sidetracked from things just to snipe at each other (Before I Sleep)...

    I haven't watched the episodes enough to get past the sheer delight in their interaction, and instead concentrate on the social dynamics, but the whole friendship thing between McKay and Sheppard is a major part of what makes this show so enjoyable for me.

    Of course, I'm very new to being a fan, so perhaps this discussion has been done several times before, but I'm still interested to see what other people have to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Girl Clone
    I really like the whole Sheppard/McKay dynamic. Their bickering with each other makes me laugh. The way they'll get sidetracked from things just to snipe at each other (Before I Sleep)...
    Yes and in Brotherhood...
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    'Give me the gun I'll shoot him myself!' and the way McKay can still focus on the most inconsequential details (the Mensa thing) even in the face of certain death heh

    I haven't watched the episodes enough to get past the sheer delight in their interaction, and instead concentrate on the social dynamics, but the whole friendship thing between McKay and Sheppard is a major part of what makes this show so enjoyable for me.
    I've watched and re-watched them all and I'm *still* not past it
    Of course, I'm very new to being a fan, so perhaps this discussion has been done several times before, but I'm still interested to see what other people have to say.
    Well strangely enough, it seems to me this discussion has only been done in a disjointed sort of way, not in the one place, even though lots of people seem to love their interaction.
    And if you're still fairly new to the fandom then welcome I think these boys are a wonderful place to start an obsession heh

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    Whoohoo... my favourite Stargate twosome...

    Yes... this is the best Stargate dynamic IMVHO... together they are magic... but I do beg to differ, SaharaGate, about why the banter between the two are fantastic... I don't think it is because they are similar BUT it is because they have opposite personalities... And because they are opposites, they are a wonderful foil for one another. Shep always feels like he has something to hide but Rodney has a serious case of verbal diarrhoea... put them together and there's sparks and bickering... = chemistry... a great formula
    However, I can see where there might some similarity... because when those two men get together, it seems like they're a couple of kids dancing around the playground calling each other names, going "neener, neneer"...

    Therein lies one problem I had with Sanctuary... TPTB made them hostile towards each other... it was all wrong. Hostility is so un-Rodney like...

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    I hate to bring this up, BUT, as Rodney has a "thing for dumb blondes", I don't think Elizabeth Weir fits the bill. I love their verbal interaction, but I seriously doubt any social relaionship is in their futures, at least, not with each other. But that's just my opinion......
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    I agree, I love the Sheppard-McKay dynamic! I think their interaction is one of the main reasons I love the show! I love the banter, the love-hate relationship, and I think that since RDA is leaving next season and I therefore won't have my Jack-Daniel banter, Rodney-John banter is just as good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Porthos1013
    ...I therefore won't have my Jack-Daniel banter, Rodney-John banter is just as good!
    I haven't seen any SG1 episodes, but perhaps I'll have to give them a go if there's good banter

    I just watched Hide And Seek again and that whole
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    "I shot him."
    interaction with McKay and Sheppard (and Weir) just made me giggle like a 12 year old girl.

    I am hoping TPTB keep away from the whole romance angle on this show (barring babe/boy of the week types) for the lead characters and just develop the working relationship and friendship dynamics. Especially that of McKay and Sheppard. They're just far funnier and cuter together than they are apart.

    Also - did I use the spoiler tags correctly up there? And were they necessary or could I have gotten away without them?
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    From the bits that I've read, I think we'll be seeing a lot more the Rodney/Sheppard banter in Season 2... Joe Flanigan has mentioned in recent interviews about doing the Hope/Crosby thing. In my mind they've already started on that road (no pun intended) in Season 1. My favourite Rodney/Sheppard moment is the opening sequence of The Defiant One... Admittedly it isn't one of my favourite episodes but the entire exchange in that sequence cracks me up everytime. I think it highlights the dynamic of their relationship so well. Sometimes it's like a parent-child scenario and at other times it's a bit of sibling rivalry. Stargate does the male to male banter dynamic so well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easter Lily
    From the bits that I've read, I think we'll be seeing a lot more the Rodney/Sheppard banter in Season 2...
    I'll keep my fingers crossed that you are right. Which will make it difficult to type, but still...

    Quote Originally Posted by Easter Lily
    My favourite Rodney/Sheppard moment is the opening sequence of The Defiant One... Admittedly it isn't one of my favourite episodes but the entire exchange in that sequence cracks me up everytime.
    I love that scene. I rewound and watched it at least 4 times before going on to the rest of the episode.

    I can't be the only one who did that, surely?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Easter Lily
    Whoohoo... my favourite Stargate twosome...

    Yes... this is the best Stargate dynamic IMVHO... together they are magic... but I do beg to differ, SaharaGate, about why the banter between the two are fantastic... I don't think it is because they are similar BUT it is because they have opposite personalities... And because they are opposites, they are a wonderful foil for one another. Shep always feels like he has something to hide but Rodney has a serious case of verbal diarrhoea... put them together and there's sparks and bickering... = chemistry... a great formula
    However, I can see where there might some similarity... because when those two men get together, it seems like they're a couple of kids dancing around the playground calling each other names, going "neener, neneer"...
    Hmm yes there is that whole opposites attract thing....but that's the thing. They THINK they are opposites, but in actual fact they share quite a lot of similarities (I'd go into more detail but it's close to 2am lol). And THAT'S why they find each other so annoying heh...nobody is more annoying than somebody just like you heh.

    I mean they're not identical, by any means, but I do think they share some of the same character flaws, some of the same drives, shortcomings and strengths...they just manifest themselves in very different ways.

    Therein lies one problem I had with Sanctuary... TPTB made them hostile towards each other... it was all wrong. Hostility is so un-Rodney like...
    See now I loved their face-off in Sanctuary because it complicated their relationship for me - nothing worse than one-dimensional characters in a one-dimensional relationship. But these guys are multi dimensional...and they don't always get along.

    That's something that Atlantis does well in general...the characters make mistakes, they change their minds, act 'out of character', because they are in situations that are so unusual, so challenging emotionally/physicall/mentally that there are going to be a variety of reactions...and not always consistent ones either.

    The fact that Rodney over-reacted so much to Sheppard's relationship with Chaya and that Sheppard got so very defensive about his personal life (and showed signs of being uncomfortable talking about it wiht anyone...even Teyla) really adds depth to their interactions. It's like there's something else going on there...it's more than them pushing each other's buttons or getting on each other's nerves. There was real anger there and, imho, Rodney looked pretty hurt by it in that final shot - though whether he was hurt/disappointed with himself or Shep is a matter of opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Girl Clone
    I haven't seen any SG1 episodes, but perhaps I'll have to give them a go if there's good banter
    Oh yes, the banter is exquisite.

    Where do you think TPTB learned everything they apply to Atlantis?

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    I am hoping TPTB keep away from the whole romance angle on this show (barring babe/boy of the week types) for the lead characters and just develop the working relationship and friendship dynamics. Especially that of McKay and Sheppard. They're just far funnier and cuter together than they are apart.
    So agree with you there...I hope they stay away from the OTP's and ship in general. The fans are more than capable of filling in the blanks, reading between teh lines...and creating whole new ones heh.

    But I don't really go for the 'cute alien priestess of the week' scenario either. It usually makes for very one-dimensional, boring one-off characters. It takes away from their role in the story, their only function becoming that of making X Character look more attractive/desirable.

    Sure they can be great foils (like Vala in SG), but in the case of Rodney and Shep...they have each other to gripe at.

    There's enough banter there for 10 seasons...

    Also - did I use the spoiler tags correctly up there? And were they necessary or could I have gotten away without them?
    Indeed you did, and yes you probably could have got away without them because it is an early episode, but it never hurts to be cautious (and some forum members haven't seen much of Atlantis yet). And since this is a character thread, not a spoiler thread or a thread discussing certain episodes, it's not a bad thing to give people the extra warning if you want to.

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    My thanks to whoever red dinged me for going off the thread. It was an honest mistake on my part. I posted late and was tired. I hope someone does the same to you someday. I was just a few points away from my next level. I NEVER red ding for little things, but I do give out lots of green, esp to newbies (which I still am) and to great posts.

    Thank you again, next time have the guts to sign your ding! I won't post here again, thanks to you. I wouldn't want to break the thread. Horrors!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Girl Clone
    I love that scene. I rewound and watched it at least 4 times before going on to the rest of the episode.

    I can't be the only one who did that, surely?
    Nope, you most certainly weren't the only one

    Great, great scene. So funny and so very classic Shep-Mckay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lida
    I won't post here again, thanks to you. I wouldn't want to break the thread. Horrors!

    C'mon now, McKay and Shep would want you to stay.

    You know how much they love the attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaharaGate
    C'mon now, McKay and Shep would want you to stay.

    You know how much they love the attention.
    I adore McKay/Hewlett and Sheppard/Flanigan, but I can't risk mis-posting if a coward on this thread takes this so seriously. Thanks for caring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lida
    I adore McKay/Hewlett and Sheppard/Flanigan, but I can't risk mis-posting if a coward on this thread takes this so seriously. Thanks for caring.
    Well, not to be a downer or anything, but I think you'll find red-reps are a risk no matter where you post.

    Up to you though

    And to keep this on topic...

    Fav (for the current moment) Shep-Mckay scene: in Suspicion, when Ford is about to show them the weapons and John looks at the way Rodney is wringing his hands:

    >>SHEPPARD: You seem nervous…

    MCKAY: No…I'm part of this team I'm doing this.

    SHEPPARD: Yes you are. I just said you seemed nervous.

    MCKAY: Oh really…I thought you said Rodney you don't have to do this…

    SHEPPARD: Yes you do

    MCKAY: Damn right I'm doing this…despite the fact the feeling has not completely returned to my extremities…<<

    I just love that little exchange!

    And it seems John knows what the rest of us do: that anything Rodney's mouth doesn't blurt out, his hands will

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lida
    My thanks to whoever red dinged me for going off the thread. It was an honest mistake on my part. I posted late and was tired. I hope someone does the same to you someday. (
    Don't worry about it Lida... it probably isn't any of the active posters here... You make a lot of sense as far as I'm concerned.

    Now... back to talking about our favourite twosome...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaharaGate
    Hmm yes there is that whole opposites attract thing....but that's the thing. They THINK they are opposites, but in actual fact they share quite a lot of similarities (I'd go into more detail but it's close to 2am lol). And THAT'S why they find each other so annoying heh...nobody is more annoying than somebody just like you heh.

    I mean they're not identical, by any means, but I do think they share some of the same character flaws, some of the same drives, shortcomings and strengths...they just manifest themselves in very different ways.
    I do think that they are opposites in more ways than they are similar... Obviously they are both very intelligent guys but even the way they demonstrate their intelligence is very different. Rodney is the intellectual whereas Shep is much more intuitive and streetwise... perhaps it is just the scientist vs military thing. Nonetheless, it amuses me no end to see Rodney surprised by Sheppard the closet mathematical genius... that Sheppard is not the stereotypical military flyboy...
    But I do like it that they look out for each other and there's a great deal of respect between the two men. I do appreciate that Shep doesn't feel the need to rely on Rodney to solve all their problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easter Lily
    I do think that they are opposites in more ways than they are similar... Obviously they are both very intelligent guys but even the way they demonstrate their intelligence is very different.
    Yes well there probably are more differences than similarities...but I still think there are more smiliarities than it would at first appear. Something about their childishness when they're together...they're like two naughty children getting into strife - best of friends one minute then arguing the next.

    Rodney is the intellectual whereas Shep is much more intuitive and streetwise... perhaps it is just the scientist vs military thing.
    Actually that's something I believe Rodney is learning.

    When he called Sam an 'artist', I think he was basically saying that she has the confidence (or stupidity ) to rely on intuition, to just take a chance and try something because her instincts say it will work.

    Rodney however has always relied on calculations, on numbers and on proven precedents. Now that he's in Pegasus, he's learning how to problem solve in an entirely different way.

    In 38 Minutes, Weir had to tell him to stop being so methodical, and I think that applies to everything. By being in all these 'certain doom' situations, he's learning to try anything and everything.

    Shep, however, already relies on intuition (probably too much lol). So Rodney probably both admires his 'hail mary' approach and scoffs at it.

    [quote[Nonetheless, it amuses me no end to see Rodney surprised by Sheppard the closet mathematical genius... that Sheppard is not the stereotypical military flyboy...[/quote]
    Love that Shep is full of surprises.

    That's kind of what I mean about them being similar enough not to let each other get away with anything.

    Shep is smart enough to 'call' McKay when he's bluffing with big numbers and techno-speak and McKay isn't afraid to 'call' Shep when he's letting his ego make the decisions, or getting them lost heh.

    But I do like it that they look out for each other and there's a great deal of respect between the two men. I do appreciate that Shep doesn't feel the need to rely on Rodney to solve all their problems.
    Agreed

    There isn't the whole 'Oh Rodney will think of something' the way there is on SG with Sam.

    Shep's a different kind of leader to O'Neill. He seems less experienced and becuse there is less of a military command structure, he can be questioned a lot more openly and a lot more frequently than was possible at the SGC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaharaGate
    Oh yes, the banter is exquisite.

    Where do you think TPTB learned everything they apply to Atlantis?
    If my friend A ever hears about this he'll gloat. He's been trying to pimp me into SG for years...

    So agree with you there...I hope they stay away from the OTP's and ship in general. The fans are more than capable of filling in the blanks, reading between teh lines...and creating whole new ones heh.
    Indeed. And if they do go there, I hope it's not Sheppard/Teyla. Not because I dislike Teyla (I don't, actually, I think she's cool), but because it seems like that's what they are setting up for - pretty leading woman and handsome leading man. I'd hope for something a little different here. I guess Sheppard/McKay is too much to ask for, despite the sheer amount of glee it'd bring me

    But I don't really go for the 'cute alien priestess of the week' scenario either. It usually makes for very one-dimensional, boring one-off characters. It takes away from their role in the story, their only function becoming that of making X Character look more attractive/desirable.
    I'll defer to your superior SF watching skills here. You are probably right. I was just thinking of our boys (and the others) and hoping that they'd at least get a little romance but not enough to actually impact their characters or their interaction with each other.

    Sure they can be great foils (like Vala in SG), but in the case of Rodney and Shep...they have each other to gripe at.

    There's enough banter there for 10 seasons...
    One can only hope

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