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    The only thing that really kept me glued to this episode, was seeing Teal'c's vulnerable side having been blinded by his own weapon when he stuck that soldier.

    Rygar was a jerk. But it was interesting to see how this character played out because he was very unreasoning with his beliefs and didn't want to take on aboard a whole set of other beliefs that conflicted with his own. Really hated how he treated Dan and Sam. (I could care less about Jack, most of the time his one off remarks ends up getting him into trouble on his own accord)

    The female officer was interesting, she was clearly not as stubborn as her superior was, she was trying to see a different side and maybe try and see that this may not be what he thought it was (and she was right in the end.) She has more brains to listen around her then he was willing too.

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    A good but frustrating episode. The Belosians are really annoying in their stubborness and generally aggressive demeanor, and even though it's completely understandable - especially given that they are dealing with the military - it gets tiring quickly. I like the weapons they used, and the electric cages are very cool (and really represent a classic SG-1 image to me).

    Also, the fact that Nyan is kept on (not just at the SGC but as Daniel's research assistant) and is then never seen or even mentioned again is very annoying. Stargate is usually pretty good at continuity, but they don't even try here. Unless they intended to bring the character back, then why end the episode like that? There was a ton of different things they could have done with Nyan which wouldn't have required us to ever see him again, but it sets up expectations that are never fulfilled. Silly.

    The show also hits a new level for special effects here. The bats in the cave are excellent, all the various weapon blasts during the big fight and notably the shuttle crash is great. It doesn't stand up by today's standard's at all, but in terms of what the show had done up to this point it's marks a new level.

    - The tool being used to uncover the gate in the opening shot is shiny brand new!

    - A bit of a coincidence that the SGC dial up the planet the very moment that it is uncovered. Carter's explanation of the cold-dialling program doesn't really make sense either. She says "we've got a hit" before the connection has even been made. Until the 7th chevron locks, you never know if the connection will be successful.

    - First real use of the portable naquadah reactor in a standard off-world mission setting, and it makes it clear that it works in place of a DHD for manual dialing. Nice to have these things clarified. I wonder how many the SGC has, and did Carter build them all?

    - When he first appeared, I thought the actor playing Riger was Bruce Campbell! This is the first time I noticed his character has a limp.

    RATING: 7 out of 10

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    I like the way the theme of discovery and mystery of the stargate is taken and seen from another civilisation's point of view. This episode has the off world equivalents of Daniel discovering their stargate. We see how their history is shaped by beliefs formed over time, right or wrong, by the stargate.

    On seeing this again I couldn't help thinking that the alien commander who stubbornly maintained his beliefs, despite being faced with evidence to the contrary reminded me of Earth's Colonel Samuels! Both thought it better to forget that the gate was ever found!

    Teal'c being rendered helpless was interesting to watch. It must have been hard for him to accept help, especially as the stoic strong warrior that he is.

    Shame we never saw Nyan again, would have been interesting to see how he adapted to life on Earth, and actually seeing him on occasion being Daniel's assistant when we see Daniel burning the midnight oil over his books!

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    I also find it a shame we never went back to that planet to see how things had progressed..

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    Pretty good ep. The Belosian weapons remind me of the updated Wraith stunners.

    Felt bad for Teal'c. I also liked Nyan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lieutenant Sparrow View Post
    Pretty good ep. The Belosian weapons remind me of the updated Wraith stunners.

    Felt bad for Teal'c. I also liked Nyan.
    The shuttles they used were very similar to the Wraith ships in that they could beam up people too! Do you think they used these ideas when they wrote Atlantis?
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    The shuttles couldn't beam people
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    Some thoughts:

    • The Bedrosians are yet another people who have great tech that we can't have.
    • Is the Bedrosian lieutenant played by the same actress who plays the foreman in the episode where SG-1 is working in mines below a city on an ice planet?
    • Daniel gives Nyan a job as a research assistant, yet we never see Nyan again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brother Freyr View Post
    Some thoughts:

    • The Bedrosians are yet another people who have great tech that we can't have.
    • Is the Bedrosian lieutenant played by the same actress who plays the foreman in the episode where SG-1 is working in mines below a city on an ice planet?
    • Daniel gives Nyan a job as a research assistant, yet we never see Nyan again.
    I think at a Con once Michael Shanks said he reckoned one day Daniel sent Nyan to the Library and he never came back!...


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    ^ That would explain it!

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    Default Re: New Ground (319)

    5pm and another ep of SG1...

    1. Cool opening scene...and then enter the Bedrosian military.

    2. The Bedrosians...the most paranoid idiots in the whole of the Stargate series probably. It would have been great to see Hammond send an SG-Rescue squad through and pump them all full of lead.

    3. Not often we see Teal'c vulnerable like that - was certainly hard for him to give that much trust to Nyan.

    4. Teal'c vs Bedrosian....YOOOOOUUUUCHHHH!

    5. Surprised we never saw Nyan, either the actor was never available or the writers couldn't think of a reason to bring him back!

    Nice ep though.

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    A pretty boring episode.

    I was wrong, that other guy (not Joel) is still composing music.

    We never really knew what happened to that refuge from the other planet.

    Tomorrow, Bra'tac returns with information about that kid.

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    This was an okay episode it was nice to see how another civilazation would take knowing that the stargate exists. I can understand the Bedrosians point of view, but they were a little to stubborn for my taste. I liked Nyan it's to bad we never saw him again.
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    Who doesn't like a good holy war? While the Stargate being thought as a holy object is nothing new I think this is the first time we see too groups fighting over it. A concept mind you that will appear in coming episodes in future seasons.

    While I do not hate the torture of SG1 I am far more interested in Tealc as he becomes temporaly blind. The interaction of Teal'c putting his trust in a stranger and Nyan having to deal with the notion his ideas are false makes for an interesting and unique dynamic. That dynamic makes the fight at the end all the more interesting. I can't shake but thier is something cool about them running to the gate at Bedrosians are shooting at them. Cool but unrealastic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jelgate View Post
    The interaction of Teal'c putting his trust in a stranger and Nyan having to deal with the notion his ideas are false makes for an interesting and unique dynamic.
    Nyan's exposition of science and progress was a nice moment. Teal'c: "You sound like Daniel Jackson."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krisz View Post
    I like the way the theme of discovery and mystery of the stargate is taken and seen from another civilisation's point of view. This episode has the off world equivalents of Daniel discovering their stargate. We see how their history is shaped by beliefs formed over time, right or wrong, by the stargate.

    On seeing this again I couldn't help thinking that the alien commander who stubbornly maintained his beliefs, despite being faced with evidence to the contrary reminded me of Earth's Colonel Samuels! Both thought it better to forget that the gate was ever found!

    Teal'c being rendered helpless was interesting to watch. It must have been hard for him to accept help, especially as the stoic strong warrior that he is.

    Shame we never saw Nyan again, would have been interesting to see how he adapted to life on Earth, and actually seeing him on occasion being Daniel's assistant when we see Daniel burning the midnight oil over his books!
    Yes Yes Yes! And indeed, Brother Freyr, the Nyan moment was very nice. I thought of this episode as very much an opportunity to get the measure of the man that is Teal'c. Being humbled and accepting of aid was huge! Teal'c is so often the one who is able to speak honestly with other cultures...and children. And this gives Nyan the chance to contemplate his own theories and eventually realize his broader desire to explore. And Teal'c never wavers in his goal to save his friends, even at the risk of self-harm.

    I was rather shocked at the plethora of weapons found with just one team, with or without the contents of the MALP. Jack's first inclination to slow down Daniel and Sam's enthusiasm to go and talk with folks they contacted through her special program, was justified because it seems like an awful lot of supply was left behind. I guess opening the 'gate's not the only reason the program costs so much!

    The whole torture scene, when a 10-year old looking Daniel refuses to give up Teal'c's existence, causing harm to Jack and Sam was tense and horific. But the Butch & Sundance/Jack & Teal'c shootout at the transport scene was quite exciting.

    One of my fav eps.


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    i couldn't stand rygar or ryger or whatever the hell his name was. i wanted o'neill to shoot him twice instead of once. that guy was a total ****head. like most of you i wish we say Nyan more often. i

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    By the by, The guy who plays Nyan actually was on an episode of Atlantis (the Defiant One). I always like to think that it was Nyan...who had adopted an earth name by then and went along on the Atlantis expedition. Anyway...that's how I make myself happy. of course if you've seen that episode....well, yeah...there's that.
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    Very interesting episode!

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    oh dear, this was a weak and meh ep.

    This happens a little too often for me, and I was glad that in S4 The Other Side we got a much much better version of this type of story.

    I don't know why the writers have to make the military guys so black & white and stupid. I can handle them not wanting to suddenly abandon their beliefs, but it was all too basic and not enough development of ideas or characters.

    Not one for the rewatch list.
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