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    I didn't have a problem with Weir's pushiness towards Landry, since it seemed like something she would do. I just wish there hadn't been that vague inkling that her defense of Shep was a little more personal than it should have been. *sigh* But maybe if I hadn't known that Joe & Paul wrote the ep, I wouldn't have been quite as uneasy about it.

    Can't say I thought much of Landry, BTW. He reminds me of somebody's doddering uncle.

    As far as Simon goes, I can sort of see his side of it, but it's still way too convenient for me that the only block between full-on Shep/Weir ship is now permanently removed.

    I wonder if the actor is preparing for/involved in another role somewhere because that hair was a bit ridiculous, IMO, and while we've learned almost nothing about Simon, I would have thought him a little too tightly controlled to have hair like that. *shrug* Or maybe it's supposed to be symbolic of the fact that he's loosened up and let go of the past and is now living a little more on the wild side with this new girl of his.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merlin7
    Uh...Sheppard was zoning off caught up in his flashback with Ford the first time in the F-302. The second time with McKay he had to get them back into radio range and I imagine he was a bit focused on the *Whoa...almost died again. Dang* thing.
    Those I could see, but come on, when he and McKay got into the F302 in the first place, just before the atmosphere vented? He's just sitting there with McKay while Caldwell frantically calls his name over the headset. Plus, the very fact that they used that schtick 2 or 3 times in this one episode is just weak in itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCorpulent1
    Those I could see, but come on, when he and McKay got into the F302 in the first place, just before the atmosphere vented? He's just sitting there with McKay while Caldwell frantically calls his name over the headset. Plus, the very fact that they used that schtick 2 or 3 times in this one episode is just weak in itself.
    I felt the same way about that. There was absolutely no reason at all for Shep to wait EXCEPT for dramatic effect in the plot. Unless he was trying to count up all his parts again and was just really slow.

    This ep had a LOT of repetition, even within itself. The main thought seemed to be, "Why use a trick once when you can use it three or four times?" The answer, of course, is that you only use a trick once because after that it's obvious it's a trick and instead of being clever it becomes tedious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwall
    Also, the military have sweaters with their ranks on them? (Caldwell in the flashbacks)
    Yep, it's not standard issue, but I think all services have a sweater with buttoned tabs to put rank shoulder boards on. I know the Army does.

    I love this episode. Loved that Shep was thrown by Hermiod's appearance. You really can't expect everyone to be so nonchalant about the not-so-human looking aliens they meet for the first time. Loved McKay (of course) and his getting out-snarked by Hermiod. Loved the flashback scenes, especially Sheppards, and how they were intercut with the realtime action.

    Wasn't so good with the opening mess scene. It did seem a bit forced and I was definately not happy with the glossing over of Sheppard's promotion. Not so thrilled with Caldwell locking up the civilians because he didn't get a chance to pick them. The background investigation required for that level of clearance is pretty exhaustive... I wasn't allowed just a Top Secret until they cleared the fact that my older sister was born in a foreign hospital. There would be no reason for him not to trust the new people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowMaat
    I didn't have a problem with Weir's pushiness towards Landry, since it seemed like something she would do. I just wish there hadn't been that vague inkling that her defense of Shep was a little more personal than it should have been. *sigh* But maybe if I hadn't known that Joe & Paul wrote the ep, I wouldn't have been quite as uneasy about it.

    Can't say I thought much of Landry, BTW. He reminds me of somebody's doddering uncle.

    As far as Simon goes, I can sort of see his side of it, but it's still way too convenient for me that the only block between full-on Shep/Weir ship is now permanently removed.

    I wonder if the actor is preparing for/involved in another role somewhere because that hair was a bit ridiculous, IMO, and while we've learned almost nothing about Simon, I would have thought him a little too tightly controlled to have hair like that. *shrug* Or maybe it's supposed to be symbolic of the fact that he's loosened up and let go of the past and is now living a little more on the wild side with this new girl of his.
    *hands Shadow only-see-ship-if-you-want-to goggles*

    I've heard this about Simon's hair and I'm thinking, mebbe he's having a mid-lifre crisis and is dating a young chick or something.. hence the strange hair.

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    This was a brilliant ep for me, absolutely loved every minute. It had a very good balance between character exposition (poor weir, may you find peace with shepaird ), ford's cousin, Torri taking charge, and then Caldwell with his "I did'nt have any say in there selection" to shut down weir and lock down the scientists.

    And the asgard. And the omg dood out of airlock (perhaps some people will come rescue him in 1000 years, and we can have 3001: A stargate odyessy. And the "dogfight" which was cool (including the good ole top gun "airbrake" manourver).

    I did'nt really have any negative points, aside from slight nitpicking, the aforementioned not shooting down plane that's MOVING ON IT'S OWN, and I can deal with the 1st transport, although during the end part, I expected McKay to say "We are ready for Site-To-Site transport, Energize" or something.

    Was a very good balance of humour, character and story development, as well as a good episode on it's own. Kudos to the writers, crew, actors etc.
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    I'm just posting without reading all the other messages -sheesh there's five pages already. Ya'll been very busy.

    I thought this was a very solid episode. Enjoyed it a lot and the hour flew by. Yeah it had similarities to "Entity" but was about a jillion times better than that episode. And I liked that they "harkened" back to that experience and then added some twists and turns. Good mix of action and humor.

    Things I loved:

    *Weir fighting for the team she wanted and for Shep to stay in command. I actually really loved Weir in this episode - she's come a long way from the character I saw in the first half of S1 and for the first time I really see her as the leader of this group. I always had trouble believing she had the adventurer's spirit in her but I'm starting to buy it now.

    *Caldwell. I'm also really enjoying the new dynamic that Caldwell is bringing to the mix. I think it helps establish more of a bond between the "original" group. I think he's also very believable as the commander of the Daedalus.

    *Hermiod. Is there anything funnier than a snarky Asgard? I don't think so. And Shep's facial antics when he was talking to McKay about Hermie were priceless. Joe made me laugh out loud in that scene.

    *Special effects. They weren't quite as extensive and impressive as Seige II and III but the F302 dogfights were quite good.

    *Shep/Weir. Hate to say it but I'm enjoying this dynamic. It reminds me of the way I used to like Sam/Jack in the first three seasons. You knew they were forming a good bond but whether it was more than friendship was left open to interpretation. Of course the comparison gives me the heebie-jeebies since I grew to really dislike what they did with the S/J ship. Oh well - enjoying it for now and hoping the writers have learned from their SG-1 experience.

    *Story continuity. I really like how they're building on the events of Seige III and remembering that Ford is still out there. The scene between Shep and Ford's cousin was a nice touch.

    *Shep/McKay. They are just so funny together at times. Especially enjoyed the outing in the F302.

    Things I didn't like:

    *McKay being too much of a weenie at times. You know McKay has really grown as a character since S1 but they still have a tendency to make him too much of a woobie/screw-up at times. Last week it was the clip falling out of the gun. This week he scrunched over protecting the family jewels before they beamed him up. It was a wee bit silly considering all he's been thru in the last year.

    *Teyla. I'm still having trouble with her. *sigh* I'd really like to warm up to her some more. Looking forward to next week's episode in the hopes the new cast member will bring out a side of her I like.

    *Simon/Weir breakup was an eye-roller. Well you knew it was coming - Voyager did the same thing to "free up" Janeway for new relationships. Still, all rather predictable. Although frankly I would have run the other way as soon as I saw Simon's hair.

    So - way to go writers, director and producers of Atlantis. Two episode in a row I enjoyed. In fact I may have even liked Intruder more than Siege III, surprisingly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by derrickh
    To understand Simon, put yourself in his shoes.His supersmart kinda hot girlfriend leaves him to go on a trip that she can't tell him about. Then she sends him a message saying, 'Get on with your life'. He sees this and says WTF? "I've been waiting for months and then I get a Dear John letter?" Simon may not be the best looking guy, but he's a big time doctor, which gives him a few extra points on the eligibility scale. Getting dumped is probably new to him.
    My problem with Simon here is that he didn't come clean with Weir immediately. It seemed to me he was just stalling by saying he hadn't decided to go or not, and of course, delaying the inevitable hurt he would cause her by telling her he was involved with someone else.

    Elizabeth sent Simon a 'move on with your life' message in Letters from Pegasus when she thought she'd be killed in Atlantis, or perhaps never able to return even if she survived. Well, he took her at her word. But then, she showed up again and things were obviously warm and friendly between them. That would have been the time to say "Wait, we can't just pick up where we left off." Elizabeth's not dumb. She would have picked up on signals if he'd not been so deceptive about why he was stalling his decision on going to Atlantis. She can't feel hurt about him not waiting for her, because she told him to. But she'd feel right to feel hurt about his not being upfront and honest with her.

    He's a very qualified physician and researcher and she's a diplomat and now an intergalactic explorer. Making relationships work between two high achieving people who are dedicated to their careers is often quite difficult. Add in the factor of intergalactic distances and it's pretty much an impossible thing to do.

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    Can someone explain something to me, please? There was a scene where Weir and Caldwell were talking and I thought she made some comment about him being in command and it wasn't the one he wanted, but the flashback that followed it seemed to indicate that his being in command was part of the plans all along.

    Or was he planning to transfer to Atlantis proper and lead there, allowing someone else to be in charge of the Daedalus?

    Either I missed something or I misunderstood that entire section.

    I thought McKay's hunching down thing was funny at first, but it's obvious that the "slight delay" in transport was just an excuse to leave Hewlett hunched up and looking silly. I'd have found it a little more likely if he'd gotten impatient and straightened up to complain only to get transported mid-snark.

    The ammo clip last week also seemed in keeping as McKay doesn't have a lot of familiarity with guns. That was true last season as well. HOWEVER, after all he's been through and knowing how much he hates appearing stupid, I have a hard time believing that he hasn't taken any time to properly familiarize himself with common guns/weaponry. And for some reason I keep remembering Unnatural Selection and Jack making Jonas disassemble/reassemble his weapon over and over and over (complete with Jonas's complaint about getting blisters).

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    "Loved McKay (of course) and his getting out-snarked by Hermiod"


    Now this is a great idea ... someone really smarter then McKay, with a wise-arsh tude and not afraid to show it. BTW, if the Asguard are naked, just what type of clothing would Sheppard want on them? Pink/Yellow beach Tommy Bahama shirt with shorts and flip-flops .... Teal'c been there already.

    I would suggest they have skintight bio suit, but that at some time (just for giggles) Sheppard comes across the suit in the locker room. And in the background we have Hermiod laughing.
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    Caldwell was going to be taking over Sumners Job as head of the Military contingent on Atlantis proper, the job currently occupied by Sheppard. Not sure who would have been put in charge of the Deadelus, some other Full Bird Col I imagine.
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    ^^^ Kinda sounds like seasons 9 and 10 of SG-1 to me. Thor, ya got Aspirin?

    AGateFan has officially Gone Fishin (with Jack, Sam, Daniel, Teal'c) and is hoping Atlantis does not take that same hairpin turn.

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    Incidentally, can I just say that I called the whole Hermiod/McKay antagonism thing? After last week's ep I just knew there'd be fun if they ever went head to head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowMaat
    Staring sunward in space without massive polarization is a good way to fry your eyeballs and go blind. My understanding of the subject is admittedly wavery and I know allowances have to be made so that we can see the actors doing their thing, but it still seemed pretty dodgy.
    Hehe. I would think so. When Shep and Caldwell were looking directly at it, I was like y’all are going to fry your retinas. Course my mom was like, “This is going to end up sterilizing Rodney.” referring to all the concern about the radiation. Hehe. I’m not too sure she or my brother like McKay, like I do.

    Overall, I thought the episode was entertaining enough, but nothing that impressive. So far I just haven’t been that excited by SGA. Last week’s was good, but neither of these two were just like Wow!

    Liked the stuff with Shep visiting Ford’s cousin. This is going to haunt him like the killing of Sumner. Then his reaction to the Asgard.

    I’m not really a fan of Teyla, but there at the end I really didn’t like the way Weir kind of gave her the cold shoulder, imo. Maybe it was just me. *shrug* I wasn’t really too happy with Teyla about how she acted when Zelenka had something to show Weir. That whole sequence on Atlantis just really felt off to me.

    Shep pulling out a move from the old Maverick handbook, eh. The movie Top Gun, throwing the brakes on the guy behind you.

    So is this exposure to radiation going to play into a future episode other than McKay having a bad sunburn? I’m thinking about “Conversion”…………
    IMO always implied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowMaat
    Can someone explain something to me, please? There was a scene where Weir and Caldwell were talking and I thought she made some comment about him being in command and it wasn't the one he wanted, but the flashback that followed it seemed to indicate that his being in command was part of the plans all along.

    Or was he planning to transfer to Atlantis proper and lead there, allowing someone else to be in charge of the Daedalus?

    Either I missed something or I misunderstood that entire section.
    It seems that Caldwell isn't commander of the military contingent. At least, I think that's what we were supposed to assume after Elizabeth stood up for John and got him promoted. After all, the point of her telling them to promote John was countering Caldwell's argument that John was too low in rank to be in command of the military contingent.

    So Caldwell probably first assumed he'd be getting command of the base and was told that the President wasn't going to remove Elizabeth, and then assumed he'd at least be getting command of the military contingent. But Elizabeth won that fight, and Caldwell was left in command of the Daedalus, which isn't even on an exploratory mission. It seems to just be shuttling back and forth between Earth and Atlantis. That would explain how he's involved in Atlantis but not in every episode.

    Anyway. Enjoyed the episode more than I was expecting to, though it had the classic problems of episodes that try to jump forward in time. It's just too jarring.

    Did anyone else wonder if Joe Flanigan is doing the voice of Hermiod, or do we know who's doing it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwall
    Also, the military have sweaters with their ranks on them? (Caldwell in the flashbacks)
    Yes, all the US armed services have optional-purchase pullover sweeters modelled after the British 'woolly pully'. They're also worn by women.

    As for Weir and her behavior with Landry and Caldwell... they were in there to screw her and she was simply returning the favor. They were patronizing to her and she was protecting her people.

    She barely knew Caldwell, and had he managed to wedge his way onto Atlantis as the military commander it was highly likely that he'd have tried to get her job too. I don't think she was rude to them, but she was putting them in their places.

    I find it a little funny that people who are non-shippers are seeing more ship in this episode than I was. I didn't see much of any. I did think that Simon was an ass for not telling her straight off that he had met someone, instead of dragging it out for her. I had the distinct impression that he moved on before her message in LFP, after all you have to remember the last few episodes of Atlantis season 1 took place over a two week period ...

    I interpretted her being upset as more to do with realization that he had moved on before she had. I also have the impression that her relationship with Simon has always been a bit stormy, and the reason she knew Myst!Simon was off was because he was being too nice.



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    Well, I'm admittedly over-sensitive to the whole ship issue and as I said, I'm particularly suspicious because Joe and Paul wrote this ep and I consider them to be the shippiest writers among the entirely shippy PTB.

    There was nothing as overt as the hug last week, but because of that hug I'm now doubly inclined to watch the Shep and Weir scenes more closely. The musing scene at the beginning might have seemed less suspicious if another writer had written it... and if it hadn't followed on the heels of last week's hug. I just get a very bad vibe off the whole thing, now.

    And on another note, was I the only one bothered by the fact that Shep and Weir were apparently notified about the doctor's death before Caldwell was? They were on the scene first, and even with the excuse of Caldwell being asleep and needing to get dressed first, it seemed a little odd.

    Does anyone know what the protocols would be in a situation like that? I know Beckett falls under Weir's command, but would that be adequate reason to notify her of what happened? Shouldn't it be the Commander's decision, once he's on the scene? Or are she and Shep simply the next step down in the chain? Was Caldwell's XO there, at the very least?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwall
    Also, the military have sweaters with their ranks on them? (Caldwell in the flashbacks)
    Yep, all branches have that.

    As much as I liked Caldwell in that, because it shows off Mitch's big shoulders, I wish he had been wearing Landry's leather jacket. Because hello, leather jacket on him? Rawwwwwwrrrr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowMaat
    Does anyone know what the protocols would be in a situation like that? I know Beckett falls under Weir's command, but would that be adequate reason to notify her of what happened? Shouldn't it be the Commander's decision, once he's on the scene? Or are she and Shep simply the next step down in the chain? Was Caldwell's XO there, at the very least?
    My impression was they were told first only because they were around the corner.



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    Quote Originally Posted by FoolishPleasure
    My one BIG complaint - in SG1, every time someone got a promotion, a big deal was made of it, but we only hear Sheppard has been promoted in a very brief moment. Then, when Shep is visiting Ford's family, he is still is not in uniform. We are now in season 2, but have never seen Shep in "Dress." Does the Wardrobe Dept. not have an Air Force uniform that fits Flanigan?
    Apparently not...*feels slightly deprived* They made such a big deal about his promotion in the spoilers...what an anti-climax...

    All in all though, I think it was a pretty good episode, though I think I'd have prefered more about the fallout after The Siege Pt III - it just seems a little like Harry Potter arrived on Atlantis, waved his wand and suddenly everything is fixed... *shrugs*

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    Clips for this weeks Hermiod translations are now in the official thread

    http://forum.gateworld.net/showthrea...6&page=1&pp=50

    Thanks for the quick translations sparklegem, I don't have access to the episode as quickly as you do But now we can all hear the clips

    This episode was another fantastic episode as far as i saw it. I loved the Asgard interactions, and I loved the fact that they left Atlantis in Weir's control. I love that they have opened the board for hundreds of different plot branches from here on in. Great stuff

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