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    Visit the Episode GuideGALACTICA SEASON TWO
    RESISTANCE
    EPISODE NUMBER - 204

    Apollo orchestrates an escape for Roslin and her supporters, while Tigh's suspicions about Cylon operatives fall on Chief Tyrol. Kara and Helo fall in with a group of humans who have survived on Caprica and started a resistance movement.

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    Sorry Gateworld! But I cannot wait for it to get unlocked. My mind is reeling!

    *Tigh is on my last nerve - Tyrol is no Cylon and Tigh should be one for what he is doing!
    *Roslin is still doing a great job as President, with the Lt. on her escape and all that - and so civil towards Zarek (newfound love for him!) The enemy of my enemy is my friend (total Stargate there!)
    *ADAMA IS BACK! YAY!
    *Dee and her little convos with Apollo were cute - and Gaeta at the end denying the off-log calls and stuff! Perfect!
    *Helo and Starbuck and the C-Bucs was cool! So glad we have 53 known surviors on Caprica - I was hoping for a Starbuck/Anders kiss, but none!
    *Okay, so when Roslin said "Something ugly is coming, I can feel it", I was half-expecting Ellen Tigh to walk through the doors. She is so pathetic and making excuses and trying to get her incomptent, drunk-ass husband back to power...she is on my last nerve and I'm sick of her! AND I DID NOT WANT TO SEE TWO WRINKLY OLD BABOONS ALMOST GO AT IT!
    *Baltar surpised me! Didn't know he had it in him to almost kill Chief. Nonetheless, 8 Cylons...scary!

    The Farm looks good, but this ranks up as one of my favorite episodes. I was yelling at Ellen Tigh and Colonel Tigh and everything!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lt. Elliot
    AND I DID NOT WANT TO SEE TWO WRINKLY OLD BABOONS ALMOST GO AT IT!
    LOL Lt. Elliot! That shocked me quite significantly as well.

    Oh wow... this episode was... absolutely excellent. EXCELLENT. Probably my favoritest this season. The stuff on Kobol... worth waiting for! Kara and Helo, yay! They didn't show as much as I thought they would of Caprica, but maybe next time...? I'm hopeful.

    I was so stunned about the ending... BOOOOOMER! *sad* I know there's another copy of her, but they're two completely different people, and before there was one Sharon for Helo, and one Sharon for Tyrol, but now Tyrol doesn't have a Sharon and... that's sad! *cries* Poor Tyrol! I want to hug him.

    I think I'm going to stay up for the second showing so I can watch this episode again. *cackles* Yay for that!

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    Wow. That was...just wow. Sooooo good.

    Way too much to take in on one viewing. Baltar finding out how many Cylons are on the fleet. Apollo's decision to side with Roslin *again*. Billy's decision to not stay with her! Tigh screwing up even more than I thought possible. Ooky Ellen and Tigh groping. Please no more of that. Starbuck and studly Caprica guy. Gaeta is looking more and more like a Cylon, to me anyway. (I hope I'm wrong, I don't want him to be one.) Adama woke up...and asked for Lee! And poor Boomer/Chief.

    This episode is a perfect example of why I'm a spoilerphobe.

    I'll have to write more when I'm less tired and more coherent.

    This show rocks!

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    Damn this fracken show for once again leaving me wanting more. So many things going on I'm really glad they got back on Caprica, Starbuck has become my favorite character

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    man i think this takes top on best ep so far imo

    Daniel: No Jonas, I will NOT play pass the mustard with you.
    Jonas: What about pass the mayo?
    Daniel: ...okay, but dont tell Jack.



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    damn cliffy (is it friday yet)

    so much info to take in..

    8 cylons in the fleet...

    love the stuff on Caprica... gettin' more and more interstin'

    glad the old man is back

    i see a love triangle fromin' lee/kara/anders.

    i could go without tigh and his uh.. umm.. little frakkin' backstabbin wife, makin' out... frakkin freaky

    this whole season is turnin' out to be kickin' some major butt.

    im havin more and more respect for Cally, i didnt see that comin' shootin boomer like that..

    poor tyrol.. he's not a frakkin' cylon. tigh has to come down from his alcohol induced idiotcy and look at what the hell he's doin.

    (uh yea still no repect for him... actually he's been a bigger idiot since his wife came back... he's back in the bottle and tryin' to keep it underwraps.. news flash, loose the wife, she's a bad infuence.)


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    This so is getting really good, its turing into one of my all time favorite shows. This episode was great as awlways, I'm so glad now that Commander Adama is back - can't wait for next week.

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    I absolutely loved the episode on a dramatic level, but...

    ...in reality, these people wouldn't last two minutes under the circumstances. Only 50,000 people left, running aimlessly through space, under constant threat of attack by a vastly superior force and their only defense is a hopelessly dysfunctional military. Of the most paramount importance to any military, even during peacetime nevermind the situation these people find themselves in, is discipline, discipline, discipline and the unquestioning obeying of orders. It seems everyone on Galactica, from the lowest private to the officers, will disobey an order at the drop of a hat on personal principle.

    Then you also have the civilians who are rather foolishly intent on maintaining a normal life resembling what they had prior to the Cylon Armageddon. It seems to me that under such extreme circumstances, every civilian had best show a military-like discipline if they have any wish to survive. All the political machinations are insane. You can worry about democracy and setting up a government once the race's survival is assured. Tigh's declaration of martial law is something that should have happened from the beginning.

    Don't get me wrong, I love the series and I loved this episode. But what I outlined above does sort of get on my nerves, and it was more pronounced in this episode. Of course, this is fiction and the writers can sidestep what, in reality, would be suicidal behaviour on the part of the survivors.

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    Oh man that episode was intense. And it kicked you know what……

    I had spoiled myself about the Caprica situation so I knew they were going to find survivors, and the NBC promo commercial had spoiled me about Tigh treating Tryol like a Cylon, but the rest was just WOW! I didn’t see it coming and am so glad I didn’t.

    Lee, what in the bleep have you gone and done! I totally disagree with what he did and what the rest of them did to help the President escape. They have made the situation even worse. Adama was eventually going to wake up and take back command. Now I don’t think he would have immediately let her resume her position of power, but I think he could have been more diplomatic about the situation and possibly withdrawn marshal law and let the Quarum with Baltar serving as interim president take back control of civilian affairs. As much as Baltar being Pres scares me, it’s better than what is about to happen. I really have to admire Billy for growing a pair and telling Roslin what she was doing was wrong and that he couldn’t be a party to it. Go Billy! Then after seeing who Lee was relying on to hide them………..Go Billy! Go! Tom Zarek. That is who we fall back on in this desperate time? The man who possibly orchestrated some of the crap that is going down. I still think he and Ellen have some kind of little pact going on. I think he whispers things in Ellen’s ear and she whispers them in Tigh’s. Marshal law has almost turned out to be the best thing for Zarek because the President has been brought down leaving open the possibility for him to ascend to power once things calm down. I think he is secretly glad marshal law was declared, and think he had a hand in it. Anyway back to Billy. I think him being all puppy dog for Dee could have factored into his decision to stay, but I truly believe that what he said is a possibility and that he believes it.

    And then there is Dee “betraying” the Old Man by helping Apollo. Yikes. I thought she worshiped at Adama’s feet. And then dragging poor Gaeta into the fray.

    I admire Lee for his principles, but then I also hate traitors wearing a military uniform. And jeez there where a lot of people wearing the uniform willing to betray Adama.

    Ugh. I hate how this show is almost forcing me to take sides. I want to support both sides. I want my democracy, but right now my loyalties lie with the military, and Lee has really betrayed the military with this move. I just can’t support that. Hehe. Jamie Bamber really has beautiful hands though. When he put his hand on Adama’s pillow, I was like oh damn get that woman away from Adama thinking it was Ellen. I kid you not. I really said that.

    OMG! When Baltar killed the Chief, I was like WTF. Noooo. Not the Chief! Because I honestly wouldn’t put it past tptb to kill him. Great scene but then it really didn’t answer any questions cause we already knew that there were 8 other faceless models out there. So that raises the question. Was Boomer just referring to there being 8 other models out there with maybe a couple of copies hiding in reserve or are there just purely 8 other Cylons out amongst the fleet. No more, no less. Or did she just give him a number to save the Chief. She said 8 right after Baltar said 9 as he was counting down. Dang Baltar is evil.

    And Nooooo! They killed Galactica Boomer. I think she was my favorite of the two Boomers because she was so conflicted. Here the show goes and makes me want to cry for something that just shot my favorite character and whose race just annihilated the human race. Jeez these people are good. Nice visual with the dripping blood and its symbolic meanings.

    Could Cally be a Cylon since she assassinated the assassin?

    Hmmm……..some Starbuck/Pyramid player dude ship going on there, eh. He’s a dead man walking.

    I like the character of Tigh, but then I just want to slap the idiot and say wake up you jerk, she’s manipulating you. Well, I guess Tigh does still have two brain cells rubbing together amidst all that drinking (and not even bothering to hide it this week), though I imagine he’s know all along that’s how Ellen plays the game. What does he see in her? It’s almost like battered wife syndrome, but only in reverse. And please no more Ellen/Tigh foreplay.

    But when Adama walked into the room and said those words, I had to take pity on Tigh because he was put in a difficult position, and it’s always easier for us armchair quarterbacks to criticize those who are put in positions where they have to make critical decisions. Great words by Adama. Damn. I love his character.

    Oh and YES! Adama’s back! The show has been totally great without him, so it can only get better with him.

    Damn. Best episode of the season so far I think. Gah. It’s almost too hard to pick a favorite episode in this series. Though it could have done without the little Starbuck/hunky model boy pick-up Pyramid game.
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    IMO always implied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoneStar1836
    Oh man that episode was intense. And it kicked you know what……


    Oh and YES! Adama’s back! The show has been totally great without him, so it can only get better with him.
    I never really considered the show being "without him". More of the show having him being in an incapacitated state. If that makes any sence . But your right stuffs gonna hit the fan and I'm afraid that the split mid season is gonna be too much for me too handle

    The damn show is Too good this early in the series. Can they honestly keep this pace up. First episode after the mini was 33, when they were jumping evey 33 minutes and had no rest......I feel like the damn series is still on that pace for the viewers

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoneStar1836
    And then there is Dee “betraying” the Old Man by helping Apollo. Yikes. I thought she worshiped at Adama’s feet. And then dragging poor Gaeta into the fray.
    Dee has just been doing what she needs to do. She wasn't so much betraying the Old Man as she was trying to save the fleet because of Tigh. She said it herself to Apollo that he's back on the bottle and its worse than ever. What would you do in this case? Try to get the President (who isn't a drunken fool) safe and back into some power until the Old Man resumes command or let Tigh (a drunken fool) continue to control the fleet and lead them into immenent death!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lonestar1836
    Could Cally be a Cylon since she assassinated the assassin?
    I don't think she's a Cylon because she did that. I think Cally loved the Chief as much as Galactica Boomer did, and since everyone was saying it was Galactica Boomer's fault Chief was in the brig, she wanted revenge!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lonestar1836
    I like the character of Tigh, but then I just want to slap the idiot and say wake up you jerk, she’s manipulating you. Well, I guess Tigh does still have two brain cells rubbing together amidst all that drinking (and not even bothering to hide it this week), though I imagine he’s know all along that’s how Ellen plays the game. What does he see in her? It’s almost like battered wife syndrome, but only in reverse. And please no more Ellen/Tigh foreplay.
    I agree Tigh needs a good slapping and someone needs to take that flask away. If you noticed, he can't be away from it for half a second! Yeah, that foreplay was completely gross and something TPTB needs to consider in the rest of the episode - no one wants to see two old, wrinkly people go at it! It's gross! Especially if one is an incompetent drunk and the other is a power-mongoring Cylon-wannabe!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lonestarman1836
    Lee, what in the bleep have you gone and done! I totally disagree with what he did and what the rest of them did to help the President escape. They have made the situation even worse. Adama was eventually going to wake up and take back command. Now I don’t think he would have immediately let her resume her position of power, but I think he could have been more diplomatic about the situation and possibly withdrawn marshal law and let the Quarum with Baltar serving as interim president take back control of civilian affairs.
    Well, I doubt Adama will ever just allow Roslin back to power, but then again, Home is all about
    Spoiler:
    Lee joining Roslin and Zarek in a Separatist Fleet and leaving Adama and the main fleet.
    I commend Lee on knowing where his loyalties need to be, because a military government spells disaster for the whole fleet, where as a civilian government did and does mean some safety and peace within the fleet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vorlon-1
    I never really considered the show being "without him". More of the show having him being in an incapacitated state. If that makes any sence . But your right stuffs gonna hit the fan and I'm afraid that the split mid season is gonna be too much for me too handle
    That makes sense cause that was what I was implying, I just didn’t express that very well. He’s been there all along and his presence is felt in all of these episodes, he just wasn’t out there with that commanding voice of his.

    I have a hard enough time putting together a coherent sentence when I’m not excited about something. With my gushing over this show, there is no telling what babbling will make its way into a post.

    That mid season break is going to be a killer……..

    The damn show is Too good this early in the series. Can they honestly keep this pace up. First episode after the mini was 33, when they were jumping evey 33 minutes and had no rest......I feel like the damn series is still on that pace for the viewers
    I hear you. In the back of my mind, I’m always wondering when the magic will run out cause I don’t see how they can keep up this pace of producing episodes that have yet to disappoint me.
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    IMO always implied.

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    You know I have a hard time even forming coherent thoughts about this show. I keep thinking about things long after it's off. SG-1 and Atlantis are easy. I either like them or not - good popcorny fun. But they don't stay with me like BSG does.

    I LOVED "Resistance".

    There were all kinds of interesting things going on with ALL the characters. What other show pulls that off? Dee and Gaeta. I was surprised Gaeta covered. Really surprised. Maybe he IS a Cylon.

    Chief - they locked up Chief!? I mean I know the reason but just so unfair. I didn't expect Baltar to try killing Tyrol to make CylonBoomer talk but kind of a stupid idea really. Boomer could have made up anything and he would be none the wiser. But if it's really 8 Cylons - I suspect that's the total number in the fleet. Wonder if that included the guy they spaced. Now I've forgotten his name. Sheesh - need the S1 DVD's to come out.

    That was actually sad at the end when CylonBoomer died. I mean I know Boomer is a Cylon but she loved Tyrol. Poor Tyrol. I figured we'd lose one of the Boomers and she seemed the most likely.

    And what's up with Cally? I was wondering about her being a Cylon too. Maybe she was just trying to keep them from experimenting on CylonBoomer. If not - her behavior on behalf of the Chief seemed a little out of character. But guess after all the stress on the planet she was entitled to go off the deep end.

    So much going on with the political maneuverings. I'm sorry - in a way - to see Apollo going with Roslin. The estrangement from his father is going to get much worse before it gets better I think. Still, he's acting on on his principles and it's hard to say he's really wrong at this point - what with Tigh going off every other minute. I just think his father is going to need his help and support to fix this mess and he's not going to be there. Roslin and Zarak are going to be odd bedfellows. And Billy stayed behind - that was another surprise.

    I want to strangle Tigh. *****slap him or something. What a fool. But every decision he made was a tough one. The civilian casualties were very predictable - why was he surprised?

    I've never been so glad to see Adama walk thru the door. I don't know how well he would have handled things - and it was a thoughtful speech he gave Tigh about the pressures of the job - but at least he's sober and doesn't have Ellen whispering in his ear.

    Oh - I'm forgetting all the resistance stuff. Which was great but more predictable.

    I'm sure if I ever land on a planet devastated by nuclear events the leader of the resistance isn't going to look like that guy. He'll be some straggle-tooth fellow. Quite a little game going on at the end - and not just on the court.

    Can't wait until next week. I love this show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lt. Elliot
    Dee has just been doing what she needs to do. She wasn't so much betraying the Old Man as she was trying to save the fleet because of Tigh. She said it herself to Apollo that he's back on the bottle and its worse than ever. What would you do in this case? Try to get the President (who isn't a drunken fool) safe and back into some power until the Old Man resumes command or let Tigh (a drunken fool) continue to control the fleet and lead them into immenent death!
    I think they could have weighed other options. Number one being getting Tigh out of power. Have the man declared unfit for duty and relieve him. It was very evident he was hitting the bottle. That should be justification enough that his mental capacities were impaired and thus the fleet was at risk. All they needed to do was work on convincing Captain Kelly to force him to step down by ordering the Marines take him into custody. If several Marines were willing to help Roslin escape, then they shouldn’t have too many qualms about detaining Tigh. Imo, that should have been their first plan of action.

    Well, I doubt Adama will ever just allow Roslin back to power, but then again, Home is all about
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    Lee joining Roslin and Zarek in a Separatist Fleet and leaving Adama and the main fleet.
    Oh, I agree that Adama will not just let Roslin back into power. If she does somehow manage to regain her position, it will not be because he just agreed to let her have it. There will be some major wrangling and arm twisting involved. I honestly don’t see how he could ever consent to let her back into power, much less respect her authority, if she even regains her position as president of the Colonies anyway.

    This is going to be interesting.
    I commend Lee on knowing where his loyalties need to be, because a military government spells disaster for the whole fleet, where as a civilian government did and does mean some safety and peace within the fleet.
    Got to disagree there cause I see the military in this dire situation as the only hope for the fleet’s survival. They are the only thing that stands between them and the Cylons. So while a military government is not my first choice, it is practically the only option, imo. If I were on one of those civilian ships, I would want the military on my side. Having the “democracy” they had in place, taken down in one fell swoop would bother me, but not nearly as much as having zero military protection. Spoilery talk about next week based on the previews shown
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    It looks to me as though Roslin is asking ships of the fleet to take sides. They can either stay under the protection of Galactica and her guns and Vipers, etc. or they can jump away with her to Kobol in the hopes of fulfilling some prophecy in an attempt to find Earth. Now I agree that hope is the only thing these people have to cling to and faith and religion provide people with hope, so hey why not follow Roslin. She might be the best hope of finding some shelter from the Cylons where the people can pick up the pieces of what is left of their civilization. But then again Adama claimed, though falsely, that he knew where Earth was in order to give people hope. Unless Roslin comes out and claims that Adama admitted to her that he lied, then why shouldn’t people continue to believe him, even though I suspect that a number people probably do doubt the credibility of his claim. Anyway, if I were on one of those civilian ships, I’d vote to stay with Galactica where I was at least assured a better level of protection than just going it alone and hoping that Roslin knew what she was doing.


    Principles are a great thing to have, and like I said I admire Lee for having them and standing up for them and I even agree with them in our real life setting, but the people on BSG live in a very different reality. If General John Abizaid or General George Casey over threw President Bush today, I’d want to hang them from the highest tree, and I respect both of those generals, but I’d consider that action intolerable in our reality, especially since I support the President. But if I’m going to have to chose between supporting the principle of democracy or living through the next day, then I think I’m going to support which ever government provides me with the most actual, physical security and not the one that is more compatible with my ideals and principles, which is why I’d support the military government in BSG and can't support what Lee did, and definintely can't support what it seems like they are about to do.

    The military government provides protection against the terrorists (the Cylons). The democratic one does not unless it has access to a military. You don’t negotiate with terrorists, which is the only option that the civilian government would have if the military ceased to exist. That is if the terrorists didn’t blow them up before they ever made it to the negotiating table.
    IMO always implied.

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    I have to agree with everyone else...what an amazing episode. I keep myself spoiler-free because I love being able to sit back after watching the show and just go..."wow!" I have to admit I was a little surprised to see Apollo still so willing to go along with Roslin, and Billy deciding to stay behind was completely unexpected. I hope he won't just disappear from the show. As a couple of other people have mentioned, the ease with which virtually every crew member on board the Galactica sides with Roslin seems a bit unsettling from a military perspective. I'm hoping things straighten back up now that Adama is back in charge.

    Speaking of which... I had absolutely no idea Adama was going to wake up in this episode. I was definitely expecting his coma to go on a little bit longer, at least one more episode, so it was so wonderful to hear his voice coming from the doorway. The look on Tigh's face ("Did I just hear what I thought I heard?!") was exactly the look that I had on my face! Can't wait for next week!

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    This was an awsome episode i want to see more like it i can't wait till next friday.

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    Here's excerpts from this week's podcast for "Resistance".

    This story was always conceived - we kept calling it the Kent State episode, where Tigh's repressive leadership would essentially result in the deaths of civilians. There would be an explosion of outrage in the fleet. This would prompt the prison break of Laura Roslin, and the start of a counter-coup, or counter-revolutionary movement within the fleet, and at the end of the episode would culminate in the return of Commander Adama to the Galactica. And that was always the concept of the show.
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    Here's the guy that was in love with Boomer. Here's the guy who protected Boomer. Here's the guy that everybody on the ship knew was involved with Boomer. So wouldn't he be under some kind of suspicion?
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    This plotline about Cally ultimately being Jack Ruby, I believe was suggested by our co-executive producer Toni Graphia, who wrote this episode. Toni's idea, in one of her drafts, as we started talking about Sharon, and what would happen to Sharon, somewhere along the line came this idea of a shocking end to Boomer, that Boomer would just get shot and killed. And it was a great instinct... What we wanted to play was a little bit close to the reality of some of these events, as close to reality as we could get, in that there would be tremendous amounts of anger and conflicted emotions about having her on the ship at all. From this point forward, even though Cally's not talking about Sharon, it's essentially that there's that Cylon woman in there, representative of all the problems that we have gone through on Galactica. As a perseon and a representative of her race, everything these people have gone through can be tracked back to her. So wouldn't there be tremendous amounts of ill will toward her?
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    This scene serves a couple of purposes, some things we're going to develop later in the season are beginning her with this relationship between Dualla and Lee. We also liked the idea that Dualla had a special relationship to all the pilots, because she was literally the voice on the phone. She was the voice that called them home, and the voice that told them it was OK, or the voice that told them where danger was, and that she had this almost informal relationship with all the pilots on the ship, and this little scene is a nod in that direction, where they've established this routine each day of her happening to fall in with him as we walks back toward the brig. The guards deal with it, they like her, nothing untoward ever happens. But it is also a subtext that maybe there's something else here, and this little look here at the end from Kandyse.
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    There has to be a real marriage here. There has to be some back and forth psychologically of what she provides to him, in the way of some kind of comfort. And yet at the same time, that she's "comforting him", there's also a bit of the twist of the knife, and there's also a bit of manipulation. Some of it conscious on her part, some of it unconscious. I think there's a part of Ellen that doesn't really understand what it is she does. I don't think she consciously is trying to get him to do specific things, so much as she does react to the moment, and reacts to weakness in a very predatory way. She sees weakness in her husband, and it makes her almost go on the attack, almost like a pack mentality kind of thing.
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    There was also this idea that Toni and I discussed. We were talking about, who are these resistance guys, where do they come from? Are they just going to be a bunch of other army guys, because that's not that interesting. Are they survivalists? That's almost interesting. Then somewhere in our conversation, one of us popped out with, maybe they're basketball players or something. And we both just started laughing. And I thought, that's actually kind of great. I kind of liked the absurd quality of that, that these guys would be a pyramid team. And then there was something that started to make sense. Like, oh, it's a pyramid team, and they're out doing high altitude training, they're in the mountains, that's why they've survived. It means they're not like crackerjack army special forces guys, which makes them interesting as well. And pyramid being the game that [is part of] Kara's backstory -- she wanted to be a pyramid player before she became a fighter pilot. It provided a certain connectivity to her story. And it was also great to opportunity play the attitude involved, and see the game. We decided to go for it. It's just one of those odd, absurd moments, that in the aftermath of a nuclear holocaust, that you might happen across the L.A. Lakers or something.
    --
    This little running thing with Corporal Venner, which comes to head here of course, when he ultimately aids in the escape of Laura Roslin. We talked for quite a while about who Venner was, and Venner sort of being representative of a more spiritual type of person in the fleet. He comes from Geminon. We've established that Gemininon is more "fundamentalist" planet in our mythos, and he would have a special connection to Laura, and that religious connection was going to override his sense of duty to the command. But you're seeing the whole command starting to fracture along different lines anyway under the leadership of Tigh. And I think the episode in some ways underlines how fragile this situation is. What's important to remember is that there is no higher power for these people to deal with. There's no fleet back there, there's no headquarters to deal with, there's no judicial system, there's no governmental structure at all. There's no replacements coming for any of these guys, there out by themselves. So essentially, right or wrong, anything that happens, they're going to wake up the same people tomorrow and nobody's going to change any of that.
    --
    At a much later date, I started going, this really isn't Kent State, it's a misleading type for what this episode is about, and what happens here. A more accurate description of this sequence is the Boston Massacre, in that a group of soldiers pinned in a situation that they're unprepared for, and a tragedy happens. In the Boston Massacre, a group of British redcoats, before the outbreak of the Revolutionary war, were backed up against a building in Boston with a mob, and the mob grew ugly and started throwing things. The situation got out of control, and somebody in one of these situations, like in that situation aboard the Gideon, squeezes off a shot. And it's really kind of key to the idea that you'll note we didn't show you who squeezed off the shot, where the first shot came from. Was it one of the civilians? Was it a Marine? How did that Marine fire off the shot? It doesn't matter, but the mistake is made. One shot goes off, and then the other Marines, in this situation they were completely unprepared for, fire back on instinct and people are killed. That's not Kent State. Kent State is a very different political situation, a very different setup. It carries with it a great, heavy political connotation. This is truly a little bit more the Boston Massacre, which then became a propaganda thing. The Colonists used it as a weapon ("There was a massacre, they fired indiscriminately into this crowd"), but the truth is actually more complex.
    --
    This little beat, I love it because it's so oddly twisted. What is going on with these two? What kind of relationship do they have? There's some vaguely violent sexual thing that happens between Tigh and his wife. You get the feeling this ain't the first time, and there's tragedy in the air, and then there's anger and then there's sex. It's interesting sometimes how those dots are connected.
    --
    He comes over, and he seems to be taking blood tests from Tyrol, Tyrol collapses, and suddenly "He's dying, Sharon. He has moments to live, and I want to know XYZ." Baltar has suddenly gone much darker, and it's all laid down, the pieces are there. Cally getting in his face, Tigh getting in his face, and the pressures that he's under, and the constant harping from Six. And finally this man starts to turn. And from this point forward in this season, he will slowly but surely start turning in a different direction. It doesn't mean he's become and out and out villain or bad guy, but certainly he's started to take a more aggressive, less kid-glove approach with everybody, and he's starting to advance his own agenda very strongly.
    --
    I'll be trying to get back do "Fragged" at some point. I think "Fragged" is one of my favorite shows of the whole season, I'd love to do commentary on that. I've been playing around with doing podcasts, things for you guys on other topics. There's a podcast report in my car on the way to work, I've been trying to record writer's meetings with varying degrees of success. Because of the audio quality, you may or may not be able to hear. I'm going to also attempt to get back to my blog, which is still neglected, and which "tortures me", because I feel I've made a promise to keep that up, and I just haven't been able to, as much as I would really like to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoneStar1836
    That makes sense cause that was what I was implying, I just didn’t express that very well. He’s been there all along and his presence is felt in all of these episodes, he just wasn’t out there with that commanding voice of his.
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    I understand exactly what you meant. His lack of a presence in itself was such a powerful driving force of events. Just so hard to put into words


    8 Cylons in the fleet. She either lied to save the chief or it really was deep in her mind and if so then that would mean currently. There is no way she could know how many would end up in the misc fleet of ships ahead of time. There must be some sort of communication between them all and if there is she would know about the spacing and the missing number 6. The question is......What is Baltar to do with this information? I don't think he's gonna be telling the Commander, I think he's got his own agenda (whatever Six has in store for him that is )
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    Battlestar Galactica must be the ultimate assault on the senses... at least where television is concerned. No matter whether you love or hate the characters, they suck you right in and then spit you back out leaving you in a daze. The characters are really what makes it interesting for me because if it wasn't for them, the show would degnerate into a soapfest.

    I absolutelybloomingly love this episode but I also realise that it couldn't have come about without the last three... LS, I absolutely agreed with everything you said in your analysis but then we seldom disagree, do we...

    Can I say first of all that I am so relieved to see Adama up and about? Yes, I cheered in an ungirly fashion but after the last three episodes, I was ready to throw something large and heavy at Col Tigh. It is becoming obvious the show isn't the same without him and everything is in such an unholy mess with him incapacitated. The end of the world may be nigh but Cmdr Adama is makes us believe that with him at the helm the colonists will somehow make it through the worst.

    Doc Cottle is becoming a favourite. That snarky humour is welcome relief to all that grimness... A doctor who smokes and tells it like it is, is a refreshing change from all that deception, manipulation and backstabbing.

    Phew... and that's just my preamble...

    I see these first four episodes as one continuous thread and it is a fascinating if not grim study of leadership. The issue of leadership is especially important here because the fleet is now leaderless... the military leader is down, and the civilian leader is ousted so the remnant colonists are scattered and must look within to find others to lead the way.
    Col Tigh... poor man... I don't hate him by the way... is unable to rise to the occasion. He is an experienced military officer but he is unable to lead or command. He doesn't understand people or consider the consequences of his actions, neither do his actions inspire confidence, therefore, he cannot garner respect from his subordinates. Which obviously doesn't help if one has to erm... lead. Of course it doesn't help that he has a wife who makes Lady Macbeth look like a girl scout. With her whispering naughty nothings in his ear and an alcohol addled brain, the man doesn't have a chance.

    Crashdown... poor boy... Don't hate him either... Another good example that rank does not equal ability to command. A person who doesn't do well in a pressure cooker... not good with people... and not exactly a calming influence. So he crashes. I don't think he was crazy, by the way, but I do think that he felt responsible for the deaths of the other men who seemed to have died for nothing. I'm somewhat interested in the theory that someone suggested in this thread that Baltar is the turncoat not Crash.... hmmm... have to think about it some more.

    Chief Tyrol... I'm beginning to actually like... Love isn't exactly a many splendoured thing... but a cylon. And yet there's a quiet dignity about him which showed in the tribunal episode, which I liked. His actions then and in these last four episodes covered, for me, a multitude of sins. The man at least understands people and knows what they must be feeling. It's not hard to see why he inspires so much loyalty among his people.

    Lee Adama... sigh... he's one of my favourites... so there's not much he does that is wrong in my eyes... until this episode. "Even good people make bad decisions," so says Ron D Moore... While I understand why he scoots off with Madam Prez, I don't agree with it. I'm with LS and Billy on this... That said, I think it's pretty consistent with who he is. I'm not surprised he did it but I'm disappointed that he had to... especially just before Dad wakes up...
    But it doesn't mean that he is a bad leader... on the contrary, he is a very good leader. And people know that... at least Dee does anyway. He's a good CAG (observe his own "cheer squad" in the briefing room), a reliable officer, and a good man between a rock and a hard place. Note the parallels between Lee commanding a small group in Ep 2 (which was also very good) and Crashdown doing the same. A small group of jittery individuals facing centurions but Lee, in spite of his own fears, inspires confidence while Crash instills more fear and distrust. Furthermore, for Lee to pull off this escape, he had to have not only the nouse but also the affection of his co-conspirators.

    If BSG has a weakness, it is the way it tries to integrate the mythical aspects with the main storyline. At this stage it feels too much to me like an add on and I don't feel that the writers are very comfortable delving into its ramifications. But I won't jump on them too hard because I'm still hoping that there's a lot more to it than some retrodden Messianic myth prattled off by people who don't seem convinced by it. While I'm a little bit intrigued by Roslin's messianic status... I'm not very convinced by it. I don't know if she is either and yet she's doing her darndest to tear the fleet apart to get to where she has to. It seemed rather sudden to begin with and now the Quorum of 12 are throwing themselves at her feet. Euwwww... Yeah, not too convinced... Now, I'm not sure if that's deliberate because I do wonder at the back of my mind from time to time if the cylons aren't pulling strings behind the scenes to get "the prophecy fulfilled" because they want to blow Earth up too. I suppose that possibility will always exist.
    All this to say that Roslin is far more interesting as the teacher turned politician than she is as politician turned Messiah... well, I'm not buying it... yet...

    But a great start to the season nonetheless...

    "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"

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