As Commander Adama fights for his life, Colonel Tigh takes command of Galactica.
As Commander Adama fights for his life, Colonel Tigh takes command of Galactica.
Last edited by Scoobing; July 17th, 2005 at 04:37 AM.
Besides 'it was frakken awesome'?
hmmm, where to start!?!?
First off, I'm a bit bummed about the change in opening credits I know a lot of you prefer the UK version, and I really like the song, but I was a big fan of the drum beat bit at the end (altho I usually averted my eyes during the wee spoilerish clips). I would kinda like to see the percussion side of things make a comeback
And to think I was worried it wouldn't live up to my expectations! Wonderful! Loved all of it - the only thing that bugged me was that we didn't get to see ENOUGH of each of the different threads of the story I felt like poor Starbuck didn't get much, but given the huge number of strands to deal with, it's understandable. I would have LOVED to see a 2 hour season opener *drools* Listened to part of Ron Moore's podcast, and I can only say, I'm glad they didn't go with their initial plan - which was to not revisit Adama until ep 2 or 3!
I can't wait to see what happens to the Sharon'sSpoiler:
This show has definitely jumped to the top of my "most anticipated" shows list!
I agree, hehe, I want longer eps.Originally Posted by kiwigater
I think this is one of the things that make this show so good. TPTB have placed characters that started off all together, so we have backstory and characterisation, and spread them very far apart.
This makes for episodes with so much going on in the time given. It really feels like each episode is full to the brim!
I liked it...
With Tigh taking over command, temporarily at least, I hope they jumpstart his evil wife storyline...either in conjunction with Zarek or something independant...either way, i hope they make a quick, but interestingly brutal arc that ends with her death...preferably out an air lock...
She really bothers me....which is, i suppose, a sign of good writing and acting.
If the first ep is the benchmark for the season, it's gonna be a stellar season.
LOL! I kind of like her character in that she is so power-hungry. She’s a total b****, so she must not be a Cylon. It’s too obvious. But her ultimate fate out an air lock would be preferable, but I’m afraid she’ll try to pull Tigh under with her with whatever she has in mind.Originally Posted by yaaayoubetcha
As to the episode, I’ll just repost my thoughts with some additions.
Frak that was good. Edge of my seat the whole time.
Very fast paced episode. They have really got the multiple storylines going now. I wish these shows were an hour and 30 minutes so they can fit all the stuff they want to write into them cause this one was crammed but done very well.
Good stuff with Tigh. These upcoming eps with him in command are going to be an interesting insight into his character. Like RDM said, he'll have no problem handling the Cylon boarding party, but the political stuff he's not so good at.
Poor Crashdown. I like him, yet he makes for a terrible leader when under pressure. So does anyone else think those were not Cylons shooting at Tyrol and Cally and that poor other redshirt? Tactics seemed off to be Cylon toasters. I’m thinking other humans, but after listening to RDM’s podcast they seem to be Cylons. *shrug*
Umm, the baby is Six and Baltar’s…….that’s going to be interesting. I was so sure that was Boomer and Helo’s. But then again who knows.
With Baltar having all that access to the blood samples of every person in the fleet, it brings up an interesting point that EJO made in the Sci-Fi Insider thatSpoiler:
LOL! Starbuck’s comment when Boomer took off with her raider. “B**** took my ride.”
Yeah, I was bummed about the credits but thankfully they were still actually able to hold on to even having the dang thing. I’m sure Sci-Fi had a hand in making them shorter even though RDM said on his podcast that having the preview shots was already being debated and he was for keeping them. I still like the U.S. version music better and don’t agree with RDM that the UK version is more fitting, but hey at least we still have some nice visuals to go along with the music (which I do like but is still not the same intensity as what we had) unlike the travesty that has befallen Stargate’s.
IMO always implied.
My only real question was: how does Tyrol know so much about combat? I can understand the high ground and supplies bits, but he seems to be pretty handy with a rifle, too, despite the fact he's a naval officer (well, noncom) who controls a flight deck. I do like the conflict between him and Crashdown though... I can totally understand the poor pilot's distress.
Also, the prayer bit with Roslin was a bit sudden/jarring.
Loved the look on Gaeta's face after Tigh's comment about Baltar.
And, yeah, "***** stole my ride."
"It's not enough to survive. One has to be worthy of survival." -- William Adama
Undeniably it was an amazing episode, but I had expected better after such a strong season finale.
I'm not a terribly huge Tigh fan and felt there was way too much focus on him. :/
Ah - here's the thread.
I LOVED the S2 opener. My favorite (by far) of the Friday night premieres. I've heard some fans complain that they really didn't wrap up any of the cliffhangers from the S1 finale but I love multi-episode story arcs and if they'd wrapped all those up in one episode I would have been disappointed.
Just was on the edge of my seat. I loved all the angst of Tigh being in charge - man does he have "issues" - and when they did the FTL and the Galactica ended up all alone. My heart just dropped. Of course I'm immediately thinking Gaeta may be a sleeper Cylon and I'm still not sure he isn't. I think someone on that bridge is.
Locking poor Lee Adama up while he's screaming about his father. And the "interrogation" of Boomer by Tigh. Man this show doesn't pull any punches. I think we're seeing a new Lee emerge. And I like it.
I also love all the possibilities with Roslin being locked up, Adama shot and Tigh in charge. This is going to be really complicated and frakked up.
And the scenes on Kobol. Loved it. I wasn't sure if those were Cylons shooting at the good guys or not - you're right LS, it seemed a little off. But if that's what the podcast says then I guess Ron Moore knows. I really liked the gritty depiction of this unit reacting to the stress of seeing their teammates die and other officers being not quite up to the task. No perfect makeup with a few black streaks on the cheekbones on this show. And I *heart* Tyrol. and Callie.
I STILL think Six is referring to Helo/CapricaBoomer's child in her little mindgame with Baltar. I can't see HOW it's their child unless Baltar is about to give birth. I fully expect CapricaBoomer to end up on the Galactica and that's where Baltar comes in with the child.
Unfortunately I was spoiled by the Cylon invasion of the Galactica so I knew what that weird ship crashing into the Galactica meant. Still, it freaks me out to see those toasters with the red flashing eyes. I don't know why they scare me so much.
Maybe the only disappointment was not enough Starbuck/Helo/Boomer on Caprica. I'm also a little confused why Helo is so accepting of CapricaBoomer now - even if she's carrying his child.
I also am not sure how all the Cylon's are linked. CapricaBoomer mentioned that CapricaSix's consciousness was being downloaded and soon everyone would know where they are. So it goes back to some sort of central processing system? How can that link be in place and the Cylons don't appear to be linked at all in other ways.
The whole DNA thing is interesting. I always assumed - with the talk of 12 models - that the Cylons sort of created synthetic human Cylons from scratch. But if they can gather human DNA and come up with new models. In effect, replace ANYONE, that adds an interesting wrinkle to everything. Clearly all the "Boomers" have the same memories of knowing Starbuck, etc. That's freaky.
Can't wait to see how all this plays out over the next few weeks.
Oh, I'm also bummed about the new opening. At least it's not mutilated like SG-1 and Atlantis but I still miss the old U.S. theme. I liked the woodwinds and the beat of the drums.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y23...d_smallest.jpgLife is hard...and it's harder if you're stupid
Someone on that bridge will turn out to be a Cylon. You just know they will. The only one I’m sure of is Adama. Now if he turns out to be one then like he said in another episode, “We are all screwed.” At the moment, I'm entertaining the idea that Roslin is a possible Cylon.
LOL! I hope so (about it being Boomer’s, not Baltar’s ), but she’s so freakin’ cryptic that I’m not sure whether to take what she says at face value or attach a different meaning to it.Originally Posted by keshou
Maybe Helo is a Cylon. Nah, he’s the only one we know for sure isn't since they wanted his DNA.Originally Posted by keshou
I think they’ve got some good stuff for Starbuck in the future and that’s why they didn’t spend any more time in this ep than they did on her and Helo. I couldn’t resist looking at pics from future episodes. *slap* I need to stop doing that.
IMO always implied.
I quite enjoyed the season opener. Not only did it not collapse under the colossal weight of my expectation all summer long, it left me clamoring for the next episode the same way it had when KLG II's credits rolled 3 months ago (but, then, probably this is because I am spoiler-free).
Tigh is not one of my favorite characters, so I was (pleasantly) surprised by how much I liked this somewhat Tigh-centric episode. Though the flash-back scenes did not make aesthetic-appealing imageries , they gave us glimpses into what makes Tigh tick -- he is essentially a follower who needs guidance of another strong personality. This is why he is a good second-in-command to Adama and, simultaneously, a pliant husband to Ellen -- guess this answered my "what did he see in her?" question from before . In any case, his utterance "I don't like to command" was a foregone conclusion. It will be interesting to see how Tigh does command from here on out. Would all that power go to his head, especially at a time when the civillian government is in shambles?
And speaking of the civillian government, I am wondering if its head will continue to be as "spiritual" when she is away from the influence of her religious advisor. I didn't like Roslin sent Kara on an essentially suicide mission the purpose of which only a very selected few believed in; and, although Adama's disposing of her was wrong, I don't think he acted without ample provocation. I am quite looking forward to seeing how the conflict between military and civillian government will be resolved (or if it's going to be resolved) and, especially, how Lee would continue to mature and assert his independence through the challenges. He said to Roslin that he didn't do "it" for her. Let's see how he could retain that idealism.
Like keshou, I am also a littel confused by Helo's sudden change of heart when it comes to "Sharon" -- would the fact that she is carrying his child automatically make her trustworthy? I laughed out loud at Kara's "men are so stupid." She said with such frustration and conviction that it was an instant favorite; I like it even better than the "biotch stole my ride" quote. You go, girl!
Interestingly enough, after the tension-filled hour the plot didn't really advance that much. Galactica is still pretty much left with the same mess that started the season, except now there is a cylon bording party to contend with. Besides that, there are (at least) two new questions that intrigue:
(1) Was cylon virus successful in penetrating all 4 of Gaeta's firewalls?
(2) Is there any significance to Door #3 (in the flash back)?
I wish I could listen to RDM's podcast, but I hear it's spoiler-ridden.
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In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane. ~ Oscar Wilde
I rather like the growing parallels tween the President and Zarek.
All first season whenver Zarek was mentioned, it was generally as traitor and terrorist for his previous actions. The rare follower or sympathetic person stepped forward and said freedom fighter.
And now here's the President, having had a spiritual (as opposed to moral or political) awakening committing an arguably treasonous act and co-opting Starbuck into helping...
It will be interesting to see how they let that parallel play out.
Also, I don't think it was the Cylons shooting at the Chief either. My immediate thought was that it was Crashdown but i'd have thought if it was, they would have resolved that in the ep. Perhaps Kobol already has some residents. Other refugees from the colonies or perhaps residents that have taken up ownership of the planet since the colonies left. Would make an interesting side story arc. The politics of dealing with a native gov't when the fleet commander is in the hospital and the president is in the brig. Leaves Baltar as the highest ranking member of the civilian gov't and i don't think I'd want him representing my interests!
Yep, I agree. Recently I've been worried that it's Lee. I keep thinking back to the Cylon that whispered to the president, "Adama is a Cylon." He never specified which Adama now, did he?Originally Posted by LoneStar1836
I don't like the idea of a Leebot though, so I hope I'm wrong. And I usually am about these things, so...
I'm completely spoilerfree, but it's *not* easy!Originally Posted by LoneStar1836
Oh, and I loved the episode. Loved Lee's tightly controlled emotions erupting to the surface. Then he looked almost numb while talking to the president. Dragging him away from his father like that. Wow. Oh well, Lee/Angst = OTP.
Loved Starbuck's, "***** took my ride." and "Men are so stupid!" lines. The crew crashed on Kobol reminded me of the intensity of some of the scenes from "Saving Private Ryan" or "Band of Brothers". Poor, poor Tyrol. He looked absolutely crushed. Cally might look fragile, but she's got a backbone.
The only part of the show that I didn't *love* were the Baltar/Six scenes, mostly because I'm not really getting that part of the storyline. Minor quibble though. If they can keep this up for the entire year, this season is going to be amazing.
Last edited by Jonisa; July 17th, 2005 at 05:39 PM.
RE the enemies that Tyrol and co were up against on Kobol: The weapons certainly sounded like the large caliber guns the Cylon Centurions have on their hands, so I'm pretty sure it was the Cylons. Add that to the fact that they heard the sonic boom of a ship coming down into the atmosphere - considering that that Cylon Basestar was the only thing up there (Galactic was way to busy to send anything else down ).
Also, I have to wonder if the Cylons are actually deliberately not trying to kill all of them. Baltar is with that group, and from what I gather, the Cylons may be more interested in keeping him alive. Also consider the fact that even though the Cylons have massively superiour technology and numbers, the Galactica has managed not only to survive, but in some cases take the fight back to them. It makes me wonder wether the Cylons are almost 'toying' with them.
Maybe that’s why they did not advance towards Tyrol, etc. I just though the tactic of Cylon toasters taking cover, a little off. To me they just seem like they would advance on a position at all cost. But since they know Baltar is with them, then I like your idea that they may prefer to keep them alive for their own reasons.
Oh yeah, Baltar is somewhat “in charge” of the government now. I wouldn't have voted for him either. At least Tigh has some sense when it comes to what he really is though. I don’t think Adama is that trusting of him either, but Tigh has him pegged. It’s going to be interesting how this whole thing with Adama and Roslin plays out and how she regains her power (if she does b/c I don't know). The political wrangling is going to be intriguing once the Council finds out what is going on. Future spoiler. So don't read you spoilerphobes!Spoiler:
Yeah, I never though it was anybody from Galactica. Was Galactica even in orbit around Kobol? Boomer and Racetrack jumped back in the Raptor and then the whole thing with Lee and Roslin. I don’t think Adama ever had the chance to order a jump to Kobol. I thought maybe they might have been other humans who happened to find their way to Kobol, but RDM on the podcast didn’t seem to focused on that scene except for describing the echo of the gunfire and that they chose not to have any background score.
How cool were those images of the Cylon raiders leaving the Base Star? That was amazing CGI. Also interesting to see how they actually launch from a Base Star. They look like they are actually popping up out of a slot in a toaster.
That’s nice to know that you are usually wrong. I’d die if Lee turned out to be a Cylon in the end.Originally Posted by Jonisa
I think Leoben was just screwing with Roslin, but then you never know with those things.That was so cold of Tigh to do that, but the scene was still powerful even though I’ve probably heard Lee scream “He’s my father” umpteen jillion times this summer in commercials. Good stuff from Jamie Bamber. His character is probably going to do a lot of maturing this season. Nice little tid bit in RDM’s podcast that the medic was Bamber’s wife. Just knew a good lookin’ man like that couldn’t be single.Oh, and I loved the episode. Loved Lee's tightly controlled emotions erupting to the surface. Then he looked almost numb while talking to the president. Dragging him away from his father like that. Wow. Oh well, Lee/Angst = OTP.
IMO always implied.
Yeah, we've seen them do it before against Helo (I mean come on. Two Centurians fail to take out one injured guy who only has a pistol?) They weren't there to kill him, just make it hard for him. I think the same thing might be happening to Baltar and Tyrol and Co on KobolOriginally Posted by LoneStar1836
Yep, great CGI there along with the shot of Apollo and Kat flying into Galactica's flak suppresion fieldHow cool were those images of the Cylon raiders leaving the Base Star? That was amazing CGI. Also interesting to see how they actually launch from a Base Star. They look like they are actually popping up out of a slot in a toaster.
I also liked the furball that they had near the end. Was nice to hear some of the chit-chatter among the pilots as they blew away the raiders
Ergh, me too. I'm hoping Leoben was just screwing with Roslin myself. I wouldn't worry if it was anyone but Ron Moore, but he seems to be fearless in what he's willing to do with the characters. I'd better be wrong. Mr. Moore, bad idea to have the hunky, angsty leading man that everyone seems to love be a Cylon! Very bad idea! Do *not* go there.Originally Posted by LoneStar1836
Not only single, but with three kids under the age of 3. Busy household, that one.Originally Posted by LoneStar1836
Interesting that the medic is Jamie Bamber's wife. I liked the character and hoped we'll see more of her.
Question for you, since you listened to the podcast in its entirety. I started to, and then he warned that he was going to be spoiling a couple of upcoming episodes and I clicked it off immediately. Did he give any hint as to how many episodes ahead he was spoiling? I want to listen to it, but I want to wait until after the episodes air and I need an idea of when that is. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I loved it. As much of a Stargate diehard as I've become over the past two years or so since I started watching, BSG has stolen my heart from SG-1, from Atlantis, from Farscape... it's my favorite show, quite possibly ever, and its second season has only just begun.
What did I like about this episode?
The attention to addressing each character's current status as of the season premiere. We saw Crashdown, Galen Tyrol and Cally with their other allies coming together and braving the stalked wilderness of Kobol, evading and confronting the Cylons. We saw Tyrol and Crashdown clashing, we saw Tyrol and Cally's heroics -- and the heroics of another, whose name I can't recall for the life of me, though he fell in a skirmish against the enemy on the trio's way back to the others. You know -- the one who was shot... a lot of times. We saw loads of Tigh, more on that later. We saw Adama's condition, of course. We saw Starbuck, Helo and Boomer, too. We saw the Galactica Boomer's treatment by Tigh. We saw Apollo, his interactions with the imprisoned Madam President. We saw Baltar a little... we saw every side that was left dangling.
The insight on Tigh which was one of few things badly needed in the first year -- he's drunk and his wife's a beeyitch, he knows Adama but from where? Surely, Tigh's gotten more development in a freshman year than most characters on television but in a show this good, that's not enough! We got some, this past Friday, and boy, was it interesting. Just the notion that he was apparently going to off himself until he got word of being reinstated into the fleet was rather tragic, quite intriguing. Poor guy. I still dislike him -- not in the sense that I don't like the character, I like every character in this show, I mean I don't like him, so much, I wouldn't want to work with him -- but I have gained even more respect for the man nonetheless.
That scene with Roslin and Lee's guard was quite well done -- when he came before them and asked if she would pray with him. I was moved by the moment and the way they had him continue said prayer while showing the ongoing fight was brilliance.
Lieutenant Gaeta has been one of my favorite characters in general since day one and watching him in action, in his doubting and depression, then his decisive moments amidst the episode, even when standing against the apathetic... well, all right, I can't quite remember his name, either, but I don't recall him from any other episodes -- a tad heavyset, aboard the bridge with Tigh and Gaeta, constantly shaking his head at Gaeta's plans. Also, him and the Firewall premise was some good watchin', too. Oh, and Dualla's brief scene of reassurance made me feel nice and warm inside momentarily, in a show of so much darkness where despite the obvious facts that these characters do, in general care about one-another, there's just too much going on to show it off with a calmer attitude, rather than fast-paced, life-or-death dramatic, all that often.
Starbuck pulling a gun on Boomer was priceless. I mean, not priceless in the sort've 'wow, never saw that coming' way, because I think it's safe to say it'd happen sooner or later, sooner rather than later in most cases. Just priceless in the sense that it was interesting to see Helo leap afront her weapon and beg the woman not to do it, given the circumstances. This and Kara's subsequent reaction were quite entertaining and understandable.
Seeing Lee piloting alongside Hot Dog and the others Starbuck began to train was pretty cool. It's not like it hasn't happened before, it's just that I'm glad the writers had the sense to know Tigh would simply have to ask him to fight for their lives despite his going straight back to his prison cell as soon as said battle would be over.
Baltar's reaction to Six seeming to be quite serious in all senses of the word about his being the child's father and her being the mother was humorous and I digged it entirely.
Jamie Bamber's wife saved Bill Adama's life! Not only does this rhyme, but it's quite fun, too, and methinks some time from now, it'll be interesting DVD trivia and the like. In general, it's kind've interesting to think about the fact that the actor who plays Adama's son, his wife saved her husband's character's father. Man, Dark Helmet would be proud.
Call me crazy, but there's something about watching Cylon Raiders launched from the Base Stars like bees from the hive, unsticking and assaulting, that just fits my groove on all cylinders. No clue why, really, it just does. This episode in particular offered an interesting shot of such an event -- closer in angle than I recall any of the previous episodes depicting, we could see them break free from docking stations on the outer rim of the 'hangarbay' of sorts, like, as I said, bees. Killer bees, I'd suppose!
Last but not least, that it was new. My head's been screaming loudly for new BSG and I finally got it, and there's a heck load more where that came from. Woot! Bring it on.
What didn't I like about this episode?
Not a whole lot, but a little here and there, I suppose. I'll list it for good measure -- first've all, I wish there was more on the Starbuck, Helo and Boomer situation. Don't get me wrong, I think they threw in as much as they could right now and I know full well there's quite a bit coming back on Caprica, too. I just... was really, really looking forward to seeing this above all else for whatever reason and it didn't have quite so much as I'd hoped. But as I said, this is rather invalid anyway, since, well, it's coming, heh heh.
I wish Billy had been a bit more vocal, but I understand that there was a chance he'd be leaving the show at least for the most part, if a certain pilot passed the grade, which it didn't. I also understand that they actually went back and added more footage of him once he came saying he'd remain full-time with BSG because this prospective new show didn't work out, plus I acknowledge that there was only so much the season premiere could show.
Finally, I hear-tell the original script for 'Scattered' saw an opening where Tigh met Adama after getting into a barfight and nearly being shot by his enemies, and the latter stopped the assault and saved Tigh's life through this manner. The way things went down, I could see this actually still having happened and for all I know, 'Valley of Darkness' might show it, though judging by things in general, I sort've doubt it. Either way, I'd have loved to see this for one reason or another -- I guess it was because I hadn't realized upon first viewing that it wouldn't be there and sort've waited for it the whole episode; alas, no delivery. Oh well!
All in all, I'd give this episode a surefire 9.5/10. The only reason it isn't a full ten is that I've seen a couple of others in BSG that I found better overall -- something very, very few programs could ever achieve IMO. Those reigning favorites are 'Hand of God' and 'Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II', but you know what? I know a few people who know a few people, who know a few people and so on... and rumor has it, Season 2 has in store for us every bit of wonder that its predecessor gave forth and even more where that came from. I can't wait and hopefully, I'll be just as vocal about next week's airing as I was about this. I just couldn't contain myself so a full amateur review came crawling forward.
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^ Wow Jeff what a post, crikey must have took ages to type. I'd probably post something along the same lines if I had the time or inclination.....though you have IMO summed up just how much I loved this episode. You're post is filled with the same, sheer enthusiasm that I think alot of us BSG fans felt on watching this ep....great post.
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