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    Definitely the best episode of the three parter so far (which definitely got progressively darker).

    And ya know, these Ori are the first SG villian to really be truely frightening- and it's not just the Jeremy Irons looking fellow either.
    The idea of religious fanatics and (insert religious text of your choosing)-thumpers actually being able to wield and inflict the "righteous" power of their doctrine to enforce their beliefs upon people is truely terrifying.
    And the fact that they have the ability do so upon fairly advanced and educated civilizations really steps them up a few notchs from the Goa'uld, who relied on more primitive and ignorant societies to achieve the same effect.
    Add to that the "pretenders" vs "true-believers" aspect pointed out by otehr posters here, it adds up to one scary big baddie


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    "Teal'c, actually...he mentions it quite a bit."

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    Quote Originally Posted by The2ndQuest
    Definitely the best episode of the three parter so far (which definitely got progressively darker).

    And ya know, these Ori are the first SG villian to really be truely frightening- and it's not just the Jeremy Irons looking fellow either.
    The idea of religious fanatics and (insert religious text of your choosing)-thumpers actually being able to wield and inflict the "righteous" power of their doctrine to enforce their beliefs upon people is truely terrifying.
    And the fact that they have the ability do so upon fairly advanced and educated civilizations really steps them up a few notchs from the Goa'uld, who relied on more primitive and ignorant societies to achieve the same effect.
    Add to that the "pretenders" vs "true-believers" aspect pointed out by otehr posters here, it adds up to one scary big baddie
    They're scary, all right. They just don't really have a lot of characterization beyond being evil. All the gu'ald had distinct personalities...all the Ori have the same personality, which is frankly, a very cheesy personality. They have the same MO as the Vorlons but don't have that cool vague doublespeak that made it okay for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshat
    Liked the IDEA behind the Jack scenes. Didn't like the execution of them one bit. Obvious use of stand-ins...seems they did the best they could, but still...Pity RDA hadn't had more time to wake up from his nap before shooting began. I honestly wondered if he was feeling well when this was shot.

    Vala and the apple made me laugh. Taking a bite and offering it to Daniel. Garden of Eden, anyone? Apparently Daniel got the analogy as well.
    RDA just looked like he didn't feel comfortable. I don't know what's happening behind the scenes, but as a viewer, that Jack and Daniel scene was just very uncomfortable. I still have the earliers seasons to comfort me...

    When Vala grabbed the apple I cringed. Just as eating the apple in the garden of Eden preceding humans learning of evil, Vala's snacking preceded the introduction of the Orri (sp?). I figured her choice of snack wasn't a coincidence.

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    I seriously hope Earth does mess up and send the Ori to the Ida Galaxy and Pegasus Galaxy as well.

    Anyways, there are other threads to add on. *cough* Origin Episode thread *cough*

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    I hope they mine the whole aspect of the Ori thinking they are in the right ....one thing the Goa'uld lacked was personality; they sorta knew they were evil but wanted to keep the power.

    I thought an ep coming from the perspective of a newly "Priored," young and passionate Prior who gets captured by SG-1 and can't 'flame-on' yet, possibly stick him in a room with Daniel trying to get info from him/debate the whole Ori issue would be cool.

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    okay, just finished watching it -

    i liked it. not overwhelmingly, but that's hard happen without my loves of this show (sam, jack, and sam/jack). but the show's writing is wonderful, and every new thing and person is connecting.

    one scene i didn't care for was when lam was being argumentative with landry about disconnecting daniel and vala. whether she's having probs working with her dad, shut it down and be professional.

    i'm glad we had more time with landry. *hugs beau bridges*

    >always< glad to see more of mitchell. (so glad they hired ben browder)

    not enough teal'c.

    lou gossett could act while in a coma and still impress me.

    vala was good.

    jack... he was bland, just like in the jack-landry scene in avalon 1. i don't like that. (((((rda)))))

    as for next week's previews... this overabundance of daniel and vala is starting to make me .


    i miss (((sam))).



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    I think it's going to be funny watching the Ori's followers try to tell the Asgard that they have to believe in them etc.etc. I can just hear Thor now...

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    ^^^
    LOL @ Thor vs. Ori!!!

    This ep was good, although *sigh* the Goa'uld were just defeated, the Replicators gone, could we have a cold war instead? LOL, the work is never undone, so its "Wraith for Atlantis" and "Ori for SG-1"...

    ..I wish SG-1 had a policy like Starfleet in Star Trek had after the disastrous first contact with the Klingons...COVERT SURVEILLANCE first!!!! Don't give away your name, identity, planet of origin...

    ...but then we wouldn't have an alien super-race building a fleet of ships to attack us now wouldn't we!!!

    This episode was very interesting, sad to see the two 'avatars' that Vala and Daniel inhabited die though, plus the other guy.

    As for religiousity, I think the Priors are indeed a send-up of 'Crusaders' or any other type of religious zealot who would destroy all 'nonbelievers.' And the Ori vs. Ancients are like the Prophets vs. Pah-Wraiths in Star Trek: DS9. The end opens the door to other faiths, or non-faiths.

    One thing that disturbs me deeply is the Jaffa leaders' willingness to entertain thoughts of joining the Ori religion...scary.

    I also would not like to see the Ori become another Goa'uld-size dominant force in the galaxy. It would make SG-1's work over the years meaningless.

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    Overall I enjoyed tonight episode. MS slowed down enough that you could understand what he was saying tonight. I liked Avalon pt 1 was a little disappointed in part 2 but Origin was better than last week. So far we are of to a pretty good start for a 9th season. I like Vala more this season than I did last year and think she would be a good reaccuring character. I would like to see CJ have more to do, so far this season we have seen/heard very little from him. I'm beining to like Mitchell. RDA's role/performance was a disappointment tonight. Hopefully we will see him again one day on Stargate and he will be back to the Jack that we have grown to love over the last 8 seasons. I am really missing Carter though and look forward to her return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshat

    Liked the IDEA behind the Jack scenes. Didn't like the execution of them one bit. Obvious use of stand-ins...seems they did the best they could, but still...Pity RDA hadn't had more time to wake up from his nap before shooting began. I honestly wondered if he was feeling well when this was shot.
    Yeah, well, I have to agree with you there. I understand the man not wanting to do this anymore, but if he agreed to film a couple of scenes he could at least have SHOWED UP and done the job they were paying him for.

    Quote Originally Posted by Seshat
    Vala and the apple made me laugh. Taking a bite and offering it to Daniel. Garden of Eden, anyone? Apparently Daniel got the analogy as well.
    LOL at this, too. The symbolism was quite blatant.

    I did like this ep-mostly. MS looked yummy and that was a big part of it-- shallow, I know.

    It'll be interesting to see what kind of problems arise between Teal'c and Garak and the Jaffa leadership.

    And I just realized that I didn't miss Sam at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperspace
    One thing that disturbs me deeply is the Jaffa leaders' willingness to entertain thoughts of joining the Ori religion...scary.
    Gerak only said the Jaffa seek enlightenment, something we've known since we first met Oma. I highly doubt they'd be willing to submit to such a harsh doctorine after escaping from another.

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    Now I disagree with the people that say the Orii are bland and stale.

    I believe that is exactly what they have to be. Do you want them dancing and doing musical numbers as they advance towards our galaxy. How bout an Ompa Loompa melody from the 70's wonka movie.

    Seriously, these guys are zealots. In that respect there are completely focused on there doctrine and forcing it on everyone. There is no room for individuality in that department. The Priors and Doci each have there role and they fullfil it.

    I agree about RDA's scenes.

    Now someone correct me if I am wrong about the shooting schedule here.
    It's my understanding that SG-1 films between April and August. If that is the case and RDA wants to spend more time with his daughter that is cool, but dont tell us the shooting schedule interferes with that. A regular father see's his kids after 5pm and on Saturday's and Sundays. RDA see's his daughter at least 8 months out of a year? Not to mention the shooting time is around summer break where she can go up to Vancouver with her father. So I dont buy the fact that he is leaving to spend time with his daughter. Just say you have been doing T.V. for over 14 years and you want to retire. Don't treat us like idiots. You can do like 6 episodes of cameos in like 4 days and go home to your daughter again.

    Anyway great show setting everything up for the future. I loved the doom and gloom of seeing in my head zealots building an advanced armada of starships to clense our galaxy of none believers. Cant wait to see the rest of the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobthespirit
    I think I know where they're going for with this. You see, they want to make villains who are similar enough to Christians to piss off Christian protest groups enough to try to get the show banned.
    I see where you come from, but I agree with the poster who said that the closest analogy one could draw would be the crusaders, and that most Christians today would have problems identifying with that.

    So perhaps we could debate "if not Christian then some other religion(s)" but I'd rather think this episode was not so much about theology but the power of belief. Which is one of the reason I enjoyed it.

    The Orii's are using a belief system to enslave people. Then you have the "heretics" who were willing to die for what they believed in. But none said it better than Daniel: "... this is what I believe in. You may kill me, but you are not going to change my mind."

    I am extremely pleased to see the return of the old Daniel -- he has seen many worlds, ascended, descend; he might have been seasoned, but he still is an idealist. I think that was the best part of tonight's episode for me.

    And I love Beau Bridges as the new general. That man sure can act!
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    this ep was slow ass hell i thought, no pun intended. but i liked what the writers are doing with the orii. and i cant get enough of the whole "hollowed are the orii",but the whole "the path to inlightenment is through bla bla bla" its real hard to follow sometimes. its like wait what are they trying to say? at least the gould were plain and easy to understand their motives. but then again maybe that will make the orii more interesting villians. I think daniels last line said it all. "dont you feel like someone was watching over us before, cause now im scared" not and exact quote but you get the point. it will be interesting to see if the accended ancients help out now that the sides arent really fair. and lets see how the asgard tie into it do they have to worship the orii too?

    all in all this will be a good season IMO!!!!
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    I think the writers are connecting the Ori to religious extremism. It's not about a certain type of religion, it's about the extreme branches of all religions that takes things way too far. I mean, the Ori are basically what religious extremism looks like; 6 hours of daily prayer, followed by dinner and heretic burning for entertainment.

    It's the popular subject these days, makes sense they'd base the Ori on it.
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    Okay -- show of hands. Who thought of "Return of the Archons" tonight while watching SG1's "Origin?" Even in "Return of the Archons," their version of the Priors, the Lawgivers, carried a staff. If at the end of this season, it turns out the Ori is really an Ancient (or Alteran) supercomputer that's become sentient and is literally trying to fulfill its programming -- well, darn, I'll be disappointed.

    And the Dorci's eyes glowed while controlled by the Ori.

    Highlights of this episode: Mitchell realizing that to destroy the Communication device, he needed to toss it into the kawoosh of the Stargate. Very good, Mitchell! And that set of the village is just astonishing with the amount of detail. I know we'll see it redressed in episodes from both SG1 and SGA in the future, and it will be fascinating to see the changes and additions.

    And we meet Gerak (Louis Gossett, Jr.) for the first time tonight. Will he create problems with the new Jaffa nation and Earth?

    Lovely to see Jack O'Neill in a brief scene with Daniel, and riding shotgun with Mitchell in a F302. And we still haven't heard on screen yet where Jack O'Neill is supposed to be in the Stargate Universe...Missing Sam Carter very much as well. Three more episodes to go, and she'll be back.

    And Vala is becoming easier to watch, certainly a lot less annoying. I wonder now if that was the intention of the writers -- introduce her as the annoying, irritating, shrill character -- and then watch the process of her redemption over the six-episode story arc? Redemption has always been the cornerstone of the series.

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    ^^^
    "You will be absorbed!!!" ...by the Ori!!!

    LOL.

    One thing I wondered, considering how Daniel 'unlocked' some additional Ancient knowledge in "Reckoning, pt. 2" maybe he has more insight into these 'evil ascended Ancients'? And wouldn't it be a violation of Ancient ascendancy to interact with the 'regular universe'? I think it may be like the other S9 thread, 'Ancient War'...

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    Man what a great episode. The Ori are some scary freaks and I definitely have to disagree with the comment that they are anything like Christians. In fact I think they are the exact opposite.

    The good ancients are like Christians, the Ori are like demon worshippers. Check the fire as an example, or the demonic possession, or even the concept of eliminating free will (which is the opposite of Christianity).

    It looks like Daniel has now become the lead character in the show. So far so good. Will be even better when Carter returns.

    Bottom line this episode ruled and whomever came up with the new villians made a great decision and deserve a lot of credit.

    4 out of 5 stars

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    Quote Originally Posted by JanusAncient
    Did anyone else notice, that playing the Doci, was Ralph Fiennes, who will also take the rold of Lord Voldamort, in the upcoming, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, this November, and the outer shell of the City of the Gods, was reminiscent of Lord of the Rings.
    That was actor Julian Sands, not Ralph Fiennes.

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    I think Origin is one of the best SG1 episodes ever. I personally love to see extreme religious people in Sci-fi. Possibly because I just can't understand people putting religion over common sence. So for me it's like christmas seeing people poo on religion in general. B5 did it and now SG1 to some degree.

    Love that TPTB aren't scared to use extreme fanatics in their show(s?) when the real world is what it is atm. Personally I see a bigger connection between Origin-Christianity then to any other religion. That might be because I don't like christianity that much.

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