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    Lightbulb Use the Tok'ra Spoilers Against the Super Soldiers?

    While watching Summit and Last Stand last night on Sci-fi, I figured out a perfect way to kill Anubis's Super Soldiers. They have a Gou'old symbiont, so why not use the Tok'ra poison against them? Darts can still pass through the suit, after all.

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    My question would be, do the Tok'ra still have the formula for it??? The crystal containing the formula was destroyed and only a few Tok'ra remain. It is entirly possible that the remaining Tok'ra had no knowledge on the actual formula itself. I.E. the creators are dead and we don't know how they made it.
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    Default Re: Use the Tok'ra Spoilers Against the Super Soldiers?

    do the Tok'ra still have the formula for it??? The crystal containing the formula was destroyed and only a few Tok'ra remain.
    Carter recovered the crystal from Ren Al before leaving with Lantash/Elliot. Where did you hear it was destroyed?
    Last edited by Lord You; June 9th, 2004 at 07:50 AM. Reason: Shorten quote

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    Default Re: Use the Tok'ra Spoilers Against the Super Soldiers?

    i don't think they could use the virus. wouldn't there be a possibility of it spreading? if the virus didn't die when the super soldier dies, then it could be a major problem for any jaffa or tok'ra to walk by

    i also think the formula is still around. if i remember right, the formula, or even the entire tokra database was downloaded to a crystal which Carter then took from Ren'al when she died. (i think it was Ren'al). unless Carter decided to keep it a secret from the Tok'ra, they should still have it because i don't remember it being damaged or destroyed when Carter took it.



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    i don't think they could use the virus.
    It was poison and not a virus. Besides, if Teal'c and Carter/Selmak could safely return to the gate after releasing the poision in Last Stand, then other Tok'ra should be able to. Esp. if the poison was delivered from injection rather than inhalation.

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    Default Re: Use the Tok'ra Spoilers Against the Super Soldiers?

    SG-1 tried using darts before, but it just stays on the armour without any damage. It is basically impossible to eliminate one of the soldiers without the weapon SG-1 has. For example, it takes one soldier ten minutes to pass out when life support is disabled in a room

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    Default Re: Use the Tok'ra Spoilers Against the Super Soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anubis
    SG-1 tried using darts before, but it just stays on the armour without any damage. It is basically impossible to eliminate one of the soldiers without the weapon SG-1 has. For example, it takes one soldier ten minutes to pass out when life support is disabled in a room
    Do any other race other than Tau'ri have the weapon? I wasn't clear on that.

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    Default Re: Use the Tok'ra Spoilers Against the Super Soldiers?

    As far as I know, only Earth has the weapon against the super soldiers

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    Default Re: Use the Tok'ra Spoilers Against the Super Soldiers?

    So, does that make us special? Haha.. It better

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    Presumably the Tok'ra alos have access to the design, since they helped us build the weapon.

    I thought that the dart penetrated but the knock-out drops didn't work? The big problem with using the poison would be that it might not work either, since they're still impregnated with the healing energies of Telchak's device.
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    The Tok'ra probably have access yes, but they just haven't used it yet, or they're sissys and are scared to!

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    Default Re: Use the Tok'ra Spoilers Against the Super Soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Prophet
    Presumably the Tok'ra alos have access to the design, since they helped us build the weapon.

    I thought that the dart penetrated but the knock-out drops didn't work? The big problem with using the poison would be that it might not work either, since they're still impregnated with the healing energies of Telchak's device.
    Yeah, the dart penetrated the armor in the SGC testing lab, but when Carter hit it in battle, it just pulled the dart out and kept on walking.
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    Default Re: Use the Tok'ra Spoilers Against the Super Soldiers?

    Exactly. Without the weapon, the super soldier cannot be destroyed, well I don't think so

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    The Tok'ra are sadly ineffectual, having earned the DIStrust of SG-1 and pulling off so many failed schemes, it's a shame. They could stand to have more of a solid partnership like SG-1 does with the Asgard.

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    Well, the weapon doesn't actually harm the super-soldiers at all, does it. The idea is that it just neutralises the energy which keeps the impossible host body from collapsing like a bunch of broccolli.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord You
    Carter recovered the crystal from Ren Al before leaving with Lantash/Elliot. Where did you hear it was destroyed?
    I guess I always assumed it was implied, but maybe we still have it. But if we had it, you know the Pentagon would be trying to mass produce it, not only as a defensive weapon where we can release it immediatly if the gate is breached and as an offensive weapon on Gould ships.
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    Default Re: Use the Tok'ra Spoilers Against the Super Soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord You
    It was poison and not a virus. Besides, if Teal'c and Carter/Selmak could safely return to the gate after releasing the poision in Last Stand, then other Tok'ra should be able to. Esp. if the poison was delivered from injection rather than inhalation.
    Excepth that it is inhalation, that is the only way Daniel would have been able to kill all the system lords in Summit. He was going to press the button releasing the toxin into the air.
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    Default Re: Use the Tok'ra Spoilers Against the Super Soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by earck
    Excepth that it is inhalation, that is the only way Daniel would have been able to kill all the system lords in Summit. He was going to press the button releasing the toxin into the air.
    It doesn't make sense that a poison, which only harms the symbiont and not the host, must be breathed in to work. Injection would work too.

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    Sure it makes sense. Why would you create a weapon like that if you still had to fight, bluff or sneak your way past a System Lord's guards to use it?
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    Default Re: Use the Tok'ra Spoilers Against the Super Soldiers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Prophet
    Sure it makes sense. Why would you create a weapon like that if you still had to fight, bluff or sneak your way past a System Lord's guards to use it?
    I do not follow: Why that is relevant to the effectiveness transmitting the poison intravenously (by a dart) verses breathing it in? The Tok'ra had to sneak the poison in since they needed to wait for all the System Lords to arrive. It was a matter of strategy - not the limitations of the poison.

    I reiterate the fact that any poison, which is transmitted to the target via inhalation, must also work by intravenous injection. This fact must hold especially for this poison as it doesn't harm the host. Remember that the only method of transmission to the implanted Gou'old is through the host's bloodstream.

    I don't understand why the physics of the poison is being debated. Granted, the super soldiers may have immunity due to Ancient healing rays or whatever they're called. ;-) However, the method of delivery shouldn't matter.

    (BTW, this thread is straying off topic.)

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