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    Size of Various Stargate Vessels

    Hi, I just though I'd put these up for review. Hopefully this is the correct forum.

    Ok, let’s start with Atlantis, first, the background mountains;
    http://img65.exs.cx/img65/8914/a14hm.jpg

    The highlighted area on the left corresponds to this area later on;
    http://img65.exs.cx/img65/3465/a26uz.jpg

    The comparison is easily seen when they are highlighted, with the possible camera POV put in (red line);
    http://img65.exs.cx/img65/2802/a35sk.jpg


    This makes sense as the scout ship is directly over the small Ancient outpost that we know was in turn directly beneath Atlantis.

    By inference then, the highlighted red area on the left is the area where, in later times, the F-302 and Prometheus would come to the rescue, again, it corresponds, with the two small rises highlighted and the path of the incoming Earth vessels;
    http://img65.exs.cx/img65/113/a48ns.jpg

    It is therefore likely that the section of ice field we see in the foreground of the Atlantis shot is a higher part of the mountain range/ice field that the scout ship took, the slightly different POV’s are evident here;
    http://img65.exs.cx/img65/1388/a52oe.jpg


    Well, that’s all well and good, but what about scale?

    Well, Atlantis, once perspective is taken into account, appears to occupy about half the ice field in a straight line to any given point, once the red line is extrapolated to take into account the part we can’t see in this shot, the inverse square law dictates that if Atlantis is half the field long, the next line, in this case green, should be half as long on the image to be the same length in real life, and it is;
    http://img65.exs.cx/img65/5590/a63zz.jpg


    Right, so, if we can now scale the ice field, we can scale Atlantis. Fair enough. Let’s take a look at the battle in the present, of particular interest in the line highlighted in red;
    http://img65.exs.cx/img65/3330/a74ls.jpg

    because this is the same line in this picture;
    http://img65.exs.cx/img65/6933/a89ef.jpg

    Also, scaling the Prometheus from these two images, a scout ship is about 15m long, an Al’kesh, thanks to stargate-tech.net, is stated to be 67m long. Now, from the first image, the BC-303 is 12 Scout-ships long, which equates to about 180m long, from the second (and the actual sequence) it appears to be just under 4 Al’Kesh long, which would put it at just under 268m long, since exact value appears to be around 3.4 Al’Kesh, we will take the middle figure and say Prometheus is around 200m long, which fits in well with other estimates on its length.

    After taking into account perspective, we find that the distance to this line is 2 BC-303’s long;
    http://img65.exs.cx/img65/1217/a92nh.jpg


    Therefore, the total distance is 400m, account for the location of the scout, the Ancient outpost is 300m from this ice hillock.

    Then, scaling backwards, we arrive at a total of 13 lengths of 300m until you get to the mountains, this is about 3900m, or a fraction under 4km, this makes sense when you consider that the F-302’s were starting to fire their missiles at this range, considering they are modified AIM-120’s, 4km is likely the optimum kill range against agile tough targets such as Death Gliders, the heavier payloads, necessary for taking out Al’kesh bombers (bearing in mind the weight of weapons grade naquada), may also be a factor is this shorter range. It is also likely this was for the element of surprise, the missiles arrive just to fast to dodge effectively, while giving the launching aircraft time for multiple launches.
    http://img65.exs.cx/img65/6654/a100gj.jpg
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    #2
    Now, with that taken into account, we find that Atlantis is taking up approximately ½ of the ice-field by length, in actual fact, this is a rough figure, exact measurements reveal it to be taking up a space of around 52% by length, not including the shield.

    Now, since we know from the opening sequence of Stargate Atlantis, that the outpost is pretty much at the centre of the city, we can say the city is about 2km in radius to the outmost edge of the ‘arms’. Thus, Atlantis is a total of about 4km wide;
    http://img65.exs.cx/img65/8476/a113tk.jpg

    We can then take a look at this shot;
    http://img65.exs.cx/img65/5779/a121us.jpg

    based on our estimate, we then compare the lengths of a radius and an arm;
    http://img65.exs.cx/img65/9908/a138sn.jpg

    The difference is 462.4m, which gives us a total diameter for the central area of the city of about 925m and give a total arm length of just over 1500m for the shorter arms. This also renders the central buildings as being between 60 and 100m wide at the base.

    This renders them at the width of the Twin Towers and above, the city itself is slightly wider than Manhattan, but shorter. The central tower is by this scale 870m tall and just 100m wide at the base. The height of the higher tower skyline is around 500m, the shorter foreground towers are on average around 375m tall.

    The arms themselves, as far as can be seen in various shots, are around 100m thick.

    Once the towers and volume of the arms are taken into account, assuming they are filled with corridors and rooms as we see in episodes, then McKay’s comment about searching Atlantis being similar to searching every room in every building in Manhatten begins to sound reasonable. The towers alone probably have as much capacity as most of downtown Manhatten, once you take into consideration just how large the Twin Towers were relative to the city and the fact that the white tower just to the left of the main tower is as big as one of them you appreciate that the statement was about right, the volume of the arms and the arm towers making up the balance.

    Therefore, we can make the following statements about Atlantis;
    Diameter; 4km
    Arm length; around 1.5km, depending on the arm.
    Main tower; 870m tall, 100m wide
    Average “Medium” Tower; 500m tall 80m wide
    Average “Shorter” Tower; 375m tall 60m wide
    Arm thickness; Average 100m
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      #3
      Ok, here we have Ra’s ship;
      http://img201.exs.cx/img201/7229/b17ao.jpg

      And the pyramid it lands on, supposedly the size of the Great Pyramid at Giza, which is 230m wide;
      http://img201.exs.cx/img201/695/b28do.jpg

      Ra’s ship over said pyramid;
      http://img201.exs.cx/img201/5864/b35kc.jpg

      From this, we can scale;
      http://img201.exs.cx/img201/9773/b41it.jpg

      And we get that Ra’s ship is 353m in diameter. So far, so good.

      Now, we establish the appearance of Ra’s ship;
      http://img201.exs.cx/img201/7185/b53bo.jpg

      And now we fast forward to Cimmeria;
      http://img201.exs.cx/img201/9863/b67wu.jpg

      These are clearly the same type of ship. It is establish that these are used as landing platforms by the Ha’tak class of vessel.
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        #4
        Of course, the Asguard put a crimp in the Goa’uld plans;
        http://img201.exs.cx/img201/3022/b72yp.jpg

        From which we can also scale;
        http://img201.exs.cx/img201/7692/b81ca.jpg

        This gives us rough estimates that put the Beliskner’s ‘head’ at 711m wide and the rear at 822m wide. In addition the fins turn out to be 320m tall.

        We can the use an image of the ship on schematics along with the width of the head section, to work out the length;
        http://img201.exs.cx/img201/6828/b96rr.jpg

        Using our 711m width dimension, we arrive at a figure of 1720m for the length of an Asguard mothership, impressive.

        In the meantime, we fast forward to the planet Juna, where we encounter another vessel of the type use by Ra;
        http://img201.exs.cx/img201/1671/b102io.jpg

        except this one is used by Cronus. Happily for us, this is the only time we see them being used in their intended role as landing pedestals, using the visible underside as a reference, we conclude that the descending vessel will reach the point highlighted, using this point and our scale for the smaller vessel we can scale;
        http://img201.exs.cx/img201/6382/b119qe.jpg

        Scaling reveals that out of 353m of width, the Ha’tak will land at a point where it is 230m wide. This actually makes a lot of sense, as it allows the Ha’tak’s to land on these vessels while at the same time their opening is exactly the right size to land on a more primitive stone pyramid, indicating uniformity of design.


        Skip forward to ‘Lost City’, and we have our first decent view of the underside of a Ha’tak, however, there is a problem, the opening is triangular, as it was with Cronus, thus, to land on a square based pyramid or ship, we must find a square within that will allow the pyramid in (230m per side);
        http://img201.exs.cx/img201/835/b129wo.jpg

        Based on this, we scale the sides of the opening at 512m wide.
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          #5
          Using this size we can then take a measurement across the entire Ha’tak;
          http://img201.exs.cx/img201/6074/b133vh.jpg

          Which gives us the surprising figure of 2017m wide for a Ha’tak class mothership from tip to tip.

          This would explain this shot;
          http://img201.exs.cx/img201/3483/b142af.jpg

          While the Asguard vessel initially appears larger due to its being closer, scaling reveals it to be slightly smaller. Once projected to a point where the ‘head’ of this Beliskner class vessel would be should it move to be level with the Ha’tak, we find the scaling supports the quoted figures, the 711m wide head section giving a Ha’tak width of 2023m;
          http://img201.exs.cx/img201/5246/b154ap.jpg

          From there we can take this image of Anubis mothership and a Ha’tak and, once perspective is compensated for, we can scale;
          http://img201.exs.cx/img201/8636/b169nm.jpg

          From this we find that the radius of Anubis mothership is about 2230m.

          We can therefore conclude that Anubis mothership is 4460m wide, not including arms. Thus, we can use this shot of the mothership in action to scale it total;
          http://img201.exs.cx/img201/5602/b175qj.jpg

          With the arms taken into account the ship is 7945m wide, however, it should be noted that the arms add practically no offensive capability and are mostly a point of interest. Scaling via the Ha’taks in this scene support this scale.

          Now, the final scaling, using the rough 2000m figure for Ha’taks, we can now take the Ha’tak level with Apophis’s mothership and scale the ship and the ship with its arms (why do all Goa’uld have massive arms that invrease the width of their uber-ships but have not other discernible function?);
          http://img201.exs.cx/img201/2509/b184xt.jpg

          We get 4390m across for the ship and 9160m once the stupidly long arms are added in.

          Thus, www.stargate-tech.net were correct in asserting the two Goa’uld uber ships are of similar size, they are, although Apophis’s ship wins out in the uselessly long arms department.

          Thus, we can offer the following scales;
          Ra type pyramid; 353m
          Ha’tak; 2000m tip to tip
          Apophis’s Ship; 4390m (9160 with arms)
          Anubis Ship; 4460m (7945 with arms)
          Asguard Beliskner class; 1720m long
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            #6
            What think you?
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              #7
              In the Defiant One it's said "The sattelite is almost half a mile, the size of a Goa'uld mothership" Therefore we know that a Ha'tak is around 800m long. Scaling of the Ha'tak has put the figures to 650m on sg-tech.

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                #8
                I know of sg-tech's scaling, but unfortunately, it simply doesn't work when things we've seen (like the ships landing) show it to be a lot larger, to put it bluntly, an 800m Ha'tak could never land on a pyramid, let alone a Ra type ship, without toppling over.

                I don't have Defiant One on DVD, but its possible they could be referring to the pyramid section (which would indeed be around 800m long). Because the 'black' section of motherships doesn't appear to serve much prupose beyond weapons carriage
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                  #9
                  What if you rescale everything with the 800m figure for the Ha'tak?

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                    #10
                    It would only affect the two uber motherships scaling. Although it would mean the ship that Thor was captured on was not Beliskner class.
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                      #11
                      If possible could someone move this thread to the Science and Tech section? I think it belongs there more than here. Thanks.
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                        #12
                        You guys are confusing. But what about a Wraith hive ship? Wait will the Orii have ships?

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                          #13
                          I bet there minions will but they really dont need to they arent in this dimension.

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                            #14
                            I haven't got Atlantis on video or DVD so can't screen cap for scaling yet.
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                              #15
                              whats the point of this thread?
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