I think they just seem that way because they have never been in an alliance before.
I think they just seem that way because they have never been in an alliance before.
Loved the ep, really good acting.
Found myself LOL, though, when I spotted SCs watch disappear during her scene with Cassie.
"ITLOD" was the first episode I ever watched, and I've been a Stargate SG-1 fan ever since .Originally Posted by Tok'Ra Hostess
I first saw this ep on UK Channel 4,so I had a huge "Jump" moment of my own,when I bought the Videos.
I learned two important things on watching the full episode:
1) TV Channels censor SG-1.
2)Nothing makes kids exit the room faster than that scene !!
Mwahaha ! How to get peace watching SG-1 .Threaten them with ITLOD .(Still works.... )
I don't remember blood
This is my absolute favorite SG1 episode, the directing and acting was carried off well and there is a real sense of the sinister in it as well. Tapping's best performance in my book.
I also like that the ending wasn't neat and clean, that it showed that the results of the epsiode were difficult on Sam, and in conjunction on her friends.
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I finally got to see this episode a little while ago. I had heard about Jolinar and I knew almost everything we'd been told about her, but I hadn't seen this episode. I thought it was fantastic and I really enjoyed watching it.
I was very relieved to learn that she didn't die because of anything we did - I was afraid we tried to kill her or something so she died to save Sam. I'm glad she made every effort to let the SGC know that she was a Tok'ra and that she would return Sam to them when she could.
And then I was really bummed that she died in the end. But it was a really good story.
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Probably a silly nit pick, but I expect that Major Clanger will at least have sympathy... why? Because it's about headgear.
What kind of a soldier in the middle of a battle, where they are under direct fire, deliberately takes off their kevlar helmet for seemingly no reason? Now, I know that Daniel and Jack weren't wearing theirs, but is that an explaination for why Carter seemed to think it was a good idea to take off hers when she went to try and take care of random man with the snake in his head?
In this episode, we see Samantha Carter possessed by Jolinar, a Goa'uld, after attempting mouth-to-mouth resuscitation. However, I seem to recall Sam being implanted with Jolinar through the back of the neck or abdomen in some other episode. Was Sam Jolinar's temporary host on two seperate occasions, or am I mistaken?
Your mistaking, Your props getting confused with the Jaffa (who have symboites in the stomach, well not the stomach a pounch in the abdomen but you knew what I meant) or the taking of Sha're and others who had the traditional back of the neck thing.Originally Posted by SGC_Owl
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I thought the lighting in the cell definitely made Gould Sam more sinister. I also liked the scenes where Sam is behaving oddly after coming back--her chucking Jack on the shoulder cracks me up every time.
I'm rather fond of that as well. I think what I also like about that scene is Daniel keeps asking what's going on when it's darn well clear what has happened.Originally Posted by jckfan55
I also like where Janet mentions Cassie and Jolinar has no clue what to say for a second or two.
So, this was the only episode with Sam as Jolinar?Originally Posted by Crazedwraith
Jolinar did die at the end.. I think there might be some flashbacks in a couple other episodes.
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OK. Thanks, Korben.Originally Posted by KorbenDirewolf
Oh yes..MC is usually very eloquent on any topic concerning these matters.Mind you,I agree with yours and the lady's POV.Safety before vanity makes sense ,when under fire,IMO.Originally Posted by Major Fischer
Good point.The medic Daniel called to a different casualty was wearing his helmet !Originally Posted by Major Fischer
The only reason I can offer, is that she took off the helmet to prepare herself for checking the guy's breathing ?
(She leans over him ,either to listen for breathing, or to check if there was any draught,then gives him mouth to mouth....and the rest is too obvious to recap.)
No idea if that's any help,but I tried !
Definitely one you can watch again!!!
Sam (the little that we actually see of the real her) is great.
AT's acting is superb, as she clearly distinguishes between Sam and Jolinar.
I give it 8 out of 9 chevrons!
I LOVE THIS EPISODE.
If I really wanted, I could leave it at that. I really do love this one. And this is gonna be a really loooooooooong posting, peoples, so bear with me.
What was good:
a. Amanda Tapping. This ep totally showed the extents of AT's ability; the shifting from Sam to Jolinar and vice versa reminded me a little of Gollum in LotR. Okay, so it wasn't quite as dramatic, but I like Jolinar more than Gollum anyway.
b. The opener. Canst thou say, HOOKED?! It freaked me out! (Almost as much as TBFTGOG ) Seriously, a wonderful, catching opener.
c. The awkwardness as Jolinar struggled to adjust. AT played the discomfort really well, almost to the point that it hurts to watch. Well, I think it hurts, anyway.
d. Cassie. I love Cass! Not only was it lovely to see Katie Stuart back, it was also a terrific way to discover the goa'uld's presence.
e. The scene in the 'gate room. Janet's tense comment that there was enough sedative in the dart to take down an elephant, and Jolinar's subsequent fury. The grenade was a nicely suspenseful touch, as was Jack's eerily calm negotiations. ("We're either all gonna live, or we're all gonna die. Right here.")(Don't take me for certain on that quote, either. One of these days I'll get around to checking on it)
f. JOLINAR! I loved Jo; I was sooo mad when she died. But somehow, I never thought that the symbiote was male, and not just because it was AT talking (although that certainly influenced my perception). There was something about the syntax and syllable emphasis that made me think that there was a woman talking. Anyway, I loved Jo and her courage. I don't think that she meant to hurt Sam: desperate times oft result in desperate measures, or so I'm told. Jo did what she had to do under the circumstances.
g. The ashrak. Very scary!
k. Jo's death. No, I'm not saying that I'm glad that the symbiote died; quite the opposite, in fact. I just think that it was handled extremely well.
l. The infirmary. I loved how Janet came riding in on the stretcher; it made me laugh, admittedly somewhat darkly. And then Sam's bit about how "it gaved its life for me...it saved me." I loved the "don't you understand?" look in her eyes.
m. The aftermath. Cassie was a great idea; who better to come than a child? My personal opinion was that when they Cass in, Janet & Co. understood that Sam needed to see someone who would understand what had happened but wouldn't judge, wouldn't treat her like spun glass or try to make her feel that it wasn't her fault (which it wasn't, but I've found that people telling you that it wasn't because of you tends to have the opposite effect.) Sam just needed someone to be there and hold her hand.
n. See, told you this'd be long. Guess what? It gets better!
What wasn't good:
a. Hello, they killed Jo!
b. It might just be me, but I'm pretty sure that the laser webbing, for lack of a better term, disappears and reappears throughout various scenes. Anybody know?
c. If the ashrak could simply wrench the cell bars out of the way, how come Jo couldn't? (I'm going to go through a little personal debate here): Jo probably knew that, unlike the Ashrak, she was unarmed and knew she wouldn't be able to get far. I'm also assuming that the ashrak was able to get in because of the literally superhuman strength derived from the goa'uld lodger upstairs.
Whew! Almost done, just a little longer...
I think that I like this episode for two reasons: Jolinar and the immense suspense (rhyme not intended) that came as a byproduct.
And now I'm going to carry on on why I like Jolinar so much:
She had an air of regality and a certain way of carrying herself. The way that she refused to give in even when she knew that death was coming. I loved her reasoning ("Already a goa'uld attack on Earth has been thwarted."/"Then a more powerful assault is being planned.") ("The Tok'ra are real, no matter what Apophis has told you."/"I have yet to meet one."/"You have now. I am Jolinar of Malk'sur.") Magnificent dialoguing by the writers!
Anyway, this is why I like this episode. LONG LIVE JOLINAR OF MALK'SUR!<--(and yes, I know Jolinar's dead, but I'm going for sentiment here)
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an interesting episode which did some nice set up for later arcs with the tokra, i like ep cos the tad more insight into the goa;ulds!
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Zat - I'm way behind on this Board ... but you have written a fine critique here of one of my favorite episodes too. Kudos to AT's superb acting talent in this one She can manage to convey so much through just a gesture, a facial expression, a tone of voice - and the writers provided an excellent arc for her. In fact, I think she should have been nominated for a Leo for this episode (glad to see that she did win two of them later for "Ascension" S5 and "Grace" S7).Originally Posted by zats
I have a couple of questions about this episode. I'm new around here so if this has been asked before....sorry
1.Jolinar is refered to as "Jolinar of Malkshur" in this and a few other episodes. What exactly is Malkshur suppose to be?
2.Teal'c said Jolinar once tried to overthrow a System Lord and was defeated when Apophis joined the battle. This doesn't exactly sound like how the Tok'Ra opperate. They infiltrate, spy, and sabatage. They avoid open conflict with Goa'uld (and constantly suggest that Earth do the same).