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    I mean we would have heard about it
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    if there is a third gate on Earth. But even the gate on Thor's ship was not destroyed, while the Pegasus gate must have waporized by the Mark-IX in the series finale of Atlantis
    . So I am guessing you are right, the gate is probably destoyed.

    By the way there must be lots of debris after battles around Earth (and in our Solar system), but somehow nobody notices such space rubbish.
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    Like the 30 Ha'tak ships of Anubis or the battlefield on Antarctica... Actually now as I am thinking about it,they have shown the remains of Anubis' ship in 8x03 when he has flown to Earth as a black smoke.

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    I don't think it was destroyed because that's not possible. That may have been what the writers intended when that episode was written, but it was later revealed that nothing short of a Mark IX warhead can take a Stargate out, so it had to survive.

    If, instead of remaining in orbit or falling to earth, the explosion sent it into deep space, it would have been effectively inaccessible until earth started building ships and sensors that can detect naquadah.

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    Probably it was floating away from Earth as it would have blocked the SGC if it would stay in orbit aroun Earth.
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    The Earth travels millions of miles around the Sun each year and the Sun pulls the Earth and the rest of the solar system as it travels around the galactic core, yet it takes thousands of years for a gate address to change, so a Stargate floating around the solar system should still have the same gate address as one on Earth.

    That's why I said maybe it was buried in metal that liquidized in the explosion and then solidified around the gate. I don't know that it would interfere with everyday gate operations on Earth if it wasn't buried as its DHD definitely would've been destroyed, and it was never made clear how the gate network determines priority in the case where two gates without a DHD are around. However, if a non-dominate, unburied second gate was around, Sg-1 teams would risk ending up in space if a power surge ever happened again and Apophis could have caused a power surge to send gliders to the second gate after he recovered.

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    More likely it was destroyed entirely. I mean yes the Gates are tough and have survived a lot, including an asteroid slamming almost directly into on, but then an Alkesh plowing into one obliterated it. Logically if a power plant on a small Goa'uld ship is enough to do that kind of damage then it's pretty certain a Hatak going up would destroy one too...

    Then again TPTB where never all that consistent with such things.
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    Aside from Aphophis' ship gate mysteriously vanishing with no mention, they've been consistent in stating that Stargates are indestructible in all cases short of overcharging the naquadah inside the gate or using a naquadria bomb to vaporize one.

    They destroyed a planet by setting off all of its naquadah deposits, which, in theory, turned the whole planet into a "giant ball of super heated plasma." All that energy wasn't sufficient to destroy the gate, so it's highly unlikely that the destruction of a Goa'uld ship would come close.

    As to the Alkesh crashing into a Stargate in "48 Hours," here's a quote from the episode:

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    If the Alkesh crashed into the DHD on the other planet it would have cut off power to the outgoing gate. Then the wormhole would have been severed prematurely. Now if that happened before our gate was able to reconvert Teal'c's energy signature back into matter...
    DHDs are extremely fragile, Stargates are not, so the problem in that episode was that the Stargate lost power when the DHD was taken out, not that the Stargate itself was destroyed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xaeden View Post
    Aside from Aphophis' ship gate mysteriously vanishing with no mention, they've been consistent in stating that Stargates are indestructible in all cases short of overcharging the naquadah inside the gate or using a naquadria bomb to vaporize one.

    They destroyed a planet by setting off all of its naquadah deposits, which, in theory, turned the whole planet into a "giant ball of super heated plasma." All that energy wasn't sufficient to destroy the gate, so it's highly unlikely that the destruction of a Goa'uld ship would come close.

    As to the Alkesh crashing into a Stargate in "48 Hours," here's a quote from the episode:



    DHDs are extremely fragile, Stargates are not, so the problem in that episode was that the Stargate lost power when the DHD was taken out, not that the Stargate itself was destroyed.
    And yet when you see the Alkesh fly into the DHD, the resulting explosion quite clearly tears the Gate apart too.
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    Here's the clip: https://youtu.be/naFoBOTD2Ag?t=59 The Alkesh goes down right on top of the DHD, causing a wave of dust and fire to engulf the gate. I slowed it down to .25 and it at no point looks like the gate blew apart before we lose sight of it.

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    The wormhole was just overcharged from the explosion, but the gate was not destroyed in the 48 hours. I have to rewatch that episode.

    I always expected some stories whether the Atlantis gates have got naquadah as well or have the Ancients given up this metal material later? Or it would have been interesting to know why the Goa'uld hosts have got naquadah in the bloodstream while the ancient Goa'uld haven't had such things (see season 4). So I am guessing they were not licking the gate directly, but it was worth of building the naquadah into the hosts' biology if they could locate the stargate on a planet etc. The Universe gates were made even more weaker materials, I hope it is not a big spoiler here after a decade.

    Back to the Apophis gate.. Probably it was floating away in the solar system if it was not destroyed entirely. Since it is moving nonstoply with high speed, maybe that gate is lost anyway as the gate system can not lock it to adapt its position. But this is also just my fan theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xaeden View Post
    Here's the clip: https://youtu.be/naFoBOTD2Ag?t=59 The Alkesh goes down right on top of the DHD, causing a wave of dust and fire to engulf the gate. I slowed it down to .25 and it at no point looks like the gate blew apart before we lose sight of it.
    At 1:07 the explosion reaches the Gate. As the flames engulf it the visible section of the gate has a secondary explosion come from it splitting that section of the ring in half.
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    I see the ring engulfed in flame, but I don't see it being split in half.

    The wormhole seems to shut down at the same time the background turns white. Flames then appear from our right and engulf the gate. There's a moment where there's a brighter yellow in the middle of the ring, right above the red chevron. I assume that looks to you like a break in the Stargate, but to me that just looks like the flame wrapping around the gate. Right after that, that same yellow color shoots up and down the ring, then fills the screen.

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    Re the naquadah in the bloodstream of the original hosts--they probably got it through food grown in soil heavily polluted with naquadah.

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