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    The second gate.

    Okay. This isn't a 'who has the second gate and who has the Giza gate?' question so you can stop sweating.

    My question is why do we have 2 gates?

    Did the 2 gates just arrive for no apparent reason. Or is there some reason like, the goa'uld realised that they couldn't gate to Earth because the Giza gate had been shut-down, so they came in ships and placed another one here and just for sh*ts and giggles, decided to put it in Antarctica.

    Which gate was first here? Did they bring the giza gate here, because all the jaffa that they sent through ended up in Antarctica or did they bring the antarctic gate here just for a laugh?
    Godspeed, Don.

    #2
    the antarctica one was most likely placed by the ancients. The DHD was one of the original DHDs in the system (It ran out of energy, something the other DHDs can't do)

    the giza one was brought when ra lost the antarctic one.
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      #3
      This is just a wild guess. It's possible that Apophis used the Antarctic gate first (which may explain the serpent guard in the ice, and perhaps why Apophis is the god of darkness). He may have used it for learning about the Ancient technology in the icy caves, perhaps not really caring about the people on this planet at the time. Then Ra came along, and seeing the potential in the humans, wanted to move the gate elsewhere. There was a battle for control of the gate, which resulted in the gate being buried, so another one was brought in and put in Egypt.

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        #4
        Basically, the antartic gate was the first one but it got buried in the cataclsim that destoyed the ancients on earth.

        Then Ra discoved earth and humans as host presumably by coming in ship and moved the giza gate to earth. The Egyptians buried the gate and Sokar and Apophisis used the antartic gate for a time.

        Problems with this come as Ra (IN THE MOVIE) tried to sent an anubis guard and a horus guard to earth after the giza gate was buried and they got fused into rock. Which is strange becuase in the series you simply can't dial into a Buried gate and Thus Ra people should have been sent to the antatic instead of being fused to the cover stones.
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          #5
          They could've been buried underneath the gate at the time of the rebelion, it never said they tried to gate through to Earth and where buried, just that the fossils were found of the Anubis guard

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            #6
            The Antarctic gate was placed there by the Ancients, IIRC those serpent guards were only sent there after Ra was killed.

            Though Daniel theorised the Goa'uld used the Antarctic gate after the Giza gate was burried, I do not think so. They probably used ships for those people (Demons)...

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              #7
              Originally posted by KokiriChild
              They could've been buried underneath the gate at the time of the rebelion, it never said they tried to gate through to Earth and where buried, just that the fossils were found of the Anubis guard
              nope it was never said it the movie, but it was the explaination the writers gave on the DVD diretor's cut commentary.
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                #8
                Really? I haven't seen the DC commentary... I (was) a VHS kinda kid - although I have just ordered it on DVD *woohoo*

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                  #9
                  That whole part with the Horus guard, including the part in the base when Jack looks at it before they leave was only in the directors cut, it was never slated to be in the movie. Ya, on the DVD commentary Roland Emerich and Dean Devlin explain it that "the gate was burried, but Ra sent through some of those aliens and they were beamed straight into the rock" we obviously have learned now that the stargate doesn't operate like this, but it was still an awsome movie.

                  Anyways now, "The Brief History of Earth Stargates."
                  (ooh, sounds exciting)

                  Millions and millions of years ago, maybe billions, I lost track after a thousand, The Ancient devised a network of devices that would be placed around the Milky Way galaxy, these devices would allow quick transportation between planets, they would be called... something in ancient, however translated to English they are called... Stargates.

                  Earth was one of the first planets to recieve a gate it was place in what is now known as Antarctica, along with an ancient outpost, like Sheppard, ancients like Antarctica, hey does anyone see a conection.

                  For millions of years this gate was used both by the ancients before they ascended to higher beings and by the Goa'uld and Humans, later. However, for reasons I cannot determine the Stargate on Earth was lost to Ra, it was burried under, or should I say, in, a glacier in Antarctica, not to be seen by anyone important for a long, LONG, time.

                  Ra, liking Earth very much as his summer getaway and main source of slaves, needed some way of getting to Earth, something faster than his old, crappy, ship. So one day he thought, "let's steal a Stargate!" And who would've thunk, he did. He took a Stargate from a planet currently unknown to the SGC, and placed it very carefully, on Earth. Now coming to his senses and realising that his slaves would stop dying on the trip from the warm parts of the world to antarctica, he put the Stargate right in the Metropolis of his slaves, Walmart, I mean Egypt.

                  From then on for hundreds, if not thousands of years Ra used this Stargate to move his slaves from planet to planet, when he had nothing else to do. It was like ping-pong, he opens one gate with a line up of slaves in front of it, and one by one, SMACKS them through with a stick, on the other side there was a guard waiting would would quickly smack them back into the gate. Ra, being as dumb as he is, did not realise that when this happend the people actually ceased to exist. So in Egypt when they found out Ra just killed a handful of slaves for NO reason, they thought about it for a while, and then when he was eating his turkey sandwich, BOOM, they revolted, killing his guards on Earth and burring the gate. Even though this planet was so important to him, he did not return to reclaim it, as I said, being as dumb as he is.

                  PART TWO: MODERN SOCIETY

                  On an archealogical dig in Giza Egypt, archeaologist Dr. Langoford discovered an artifact circular in nature covered by a stone, the outer ring is enscribed with Hieroglyphics, and the inner cartouche contains symbols of the likes no one has seen before. This is not half as interesting as what is underneath, HEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES STARGATE!!!

                  That is right the second Stargate was found, the one that Ra brought to replace the lost Antarctic gate.

                  For years no one had the slightest clue what it was or what it did, then in 1945 they actually turned it on, a scientist, named Ernest Littlefield who was working for the program went through in what was a diving suit, when he was through the Stargate shut off, he would not be seen for many, many years. (ignoring the fact that when Ernest went through the gate he had a hose attached that was giving him oxygen, then the stargate deactivated cutting it off which is impossible becuase the gate transmits matter in discrete units, the gate would have stayed active for the entire thirty-eight minutes).

                  The good doctor, Ernest Littlefield was the fiance of a young woman, who goes by the name of Cathrine Langford, thats right, the daughter of the archaeologist who discocered the gate.

                  For a while the gate was put away, but then a few years later the program was reopened and Cathrine was now in charge. No one currently alive at that time new of the activation in 1945, and no one would for a couple of years. Around 1994 Dr. Cathrine Langford searched out a young hopeful archaeologist, with crazy ideas that had pretty much been laughed out of the acedemic society, he went by the name of Dr. Daniel Jackson.

                  He was recruited by Catherine to try to translate the hieroglyphics on the coverstone, he easily translated them in no time, and that was that. Then they actually new what to call the device, Stargate, not "Door way to Heaven." Dr. Jackson later figured out that the symbols on the inner cartouche were actually points in space, and the device, that Dr. Jackson didn't know of, transported matter and energy across vast areas of space using an artificial wormhole. Dr. Jackson along with a military Colonel named Jack O'Neill who had recently retired because his son Charlie, or Tyler, shot himself with Jacks' gun, how sad. Oh, and there was a whole other smattering of military that went along with them. Sorry, in my haste I have strayed off topic and forgot to tell you were they are going, well it was a planet... either on the other side of the unvierse, in the Kalium Galaxy, or the closest planet to Earth, Abydos.

                  To make a long story short, they killed Ra, an alien pretending to be a god to the people of Abydos.

                  PART THREE: THE SGC

                  About a year later, after returning from Abydos, the facility is closed and military personell are being shipped out. Three men and an woman sit in a large room on Sub level 28, playing cards... how responsible. Suddenly the large object underneath the big white sheet starts to move, then it comes flying off for no apparent reason, Guess who's back, back again, Stargate's back, tell a friend, na na na, na na na, na na na, na na na. *Clears throat*... Sorry about that... anyways, the Stagate opens ans I believe, eight people come through, and there he is again, RA!

                  O'Neill is quickly recalled and the facility is now under the command of a bald man in a white shirt, no, not Homer Simpson, General George Hammond... of Texas. This is a long story so I will shorten it. They contact the supposedly DEAD Dr. Jackson, who supposedly DIED on thier mission to Abydos, using, that's right, the box of all boxes, filled with the tissue of all tissues, a Kleenex box. Dr. Jackson replies, they go to Abydos and find out that it wasn't Ra that came through the gate it was another one of these damned aliens, oh, what is his name, (I seriously can't remember his name!)... APOPHIS, got it!

                  This is not the last they have seen of him, he came to Abydos, through the Starate and kidnapped Dr. Jacksons' new wife, Aumonet, I MEAN, Sha're (is that how you spell that), and O'Neills' friend and Daniels' brother-in-law, Skaraa.

                  The team including its' newest member, the brainy, the astrophysicist pilot, the Captain, Samantha Carter, also Air Force .
                  (It might have been good to mention that O'Neill and Hammond were air force too, oh great, now that last sentence isn't going to make sense, sorry, just thinking out loud)

                  Anyways the facility is dawned, the SGC or Stargate Command, and is oppend as a full time facility, with thier directive to explore other worlds and gain technology.

                  PART FOUR: THE LATER YEARS

                  As of the season one episode "Solitudes," The SGC is now in possesion of two Stargates. Colonel O'Neill and Captain Carter found this gate by "accident" after escaping from a planet where the team took heavy fire. The gate was "overloaded" this caused the wormhole to "jump" to another gate, the gate hidden under the surface of Antarctica.

                  Near the end of season three and the begining of season four, the Egyptian gate was lost in the Pacific Ocean, I believe it was, when Thors' ship crashed after being attacked by replicators. It was necesary for the team to beam the gate up to the ship so that they could escape. The Antarctic gate was taken out of storage and used full-time, in the SGC. It appeared that the trademark, "A" symbol was gone.

                  For a while they were forced to use the Beta gate, or the Antarctic gate as thier Alpha gate, it was not until later in season four that the "A" returned.

                  In the season four episode "Watergate" the SGC discovered that the Russians had been secretly operating a Stargate program of thier own out of Russia, the Russians were using the Egypt gate that they found in the ocean. The gate managed to survive being plunged into the ocean at incredible speeds, but it survived.

                  The SGC was forced to continue using the Antarctic gate until early season six. In season premier episodes of season six "Redemption" Anubis is attacking Earth using an ancient weapon that he has discovered, it uses one gate to destroy another. Obviously they manage escape this seemingly unescapable situation, unfortuanatley, the Antarctic Stargate is lost, forever. The United States is forced to "rent" the "A" gate from Russia, and continue to use the Egypt gate right up until now.

                  This has been the brief history of Stargates on Earth, it is up to you to write the future...

                  Owen Macri
                  Last edited by _Owen_; 11 May 2005, 03:30 PM.

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                    #10
                    Nice, I like the way you inserted the comedy into it. Just one thing:
                    Originally posted by Owen Macri
                    A couple years later after returning from Abydos, the facility is closed and military ...
                    "A couple of years" should be changed to: "About a year".
                    Sorry to be semantic.
                    O'NEILL: For all we know, Daniel could came walking in that door right now.
                    [Cut to shot of the door]
                    [Cut back to O'Neill]
                    O'NEILL: Any time now.
                    [Cut back to door]

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                      #11
                      "A" the egyptian gate.

                      "B" the antartic gate, the oldest gate known to earth and the older design.

                      "C" a new gate when the now egyptian gate is lost or destroyed, most likely a new more atlantis gate with blue symbols giving them more coming and going to the pegasus galaxy probably in season 12 or something?

                      or a entirely new design a gate that is a one off like the tollan gate, bigger perhaps and with its own ZPM built in that seems a bit far fetched but the asgard could be more than helpful when it comes to building a new gate for earth as we use stargates more than the asgard do because they use ships.
                      For all the pollution woes on Earth, will the Human race end up taking those problems into space in the future?

                      We can all call our ships Sports Utility Ships to curtail the carbon emissions and hypersleep at night

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                        #12
                        Great reading, Owen, good job

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                          #13
                          Owen, my hat is off to you. Truly a refreshing and clever synopsis of the series! I think that this would be PERFECT reference material for any new would-be gate-heads!
                          I give you due props! and a green chip!

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                            #14
                            Good j0b Owen, but why assume Ra ever used Antartic gate? He could've just popped up in a ship one day said: hey this place is teh c00l3ts!!!! ditched his unas body for a human and went to get a gate from some other world.
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                              Originally posted by The Maneuver
                              Nice, I like the way you inserted the comedy into it. Just one thing:

                              Originally posted by Owen Macri
                              A couple years later after returning from Abydos, the facility is closed and military ...
                              "A couple of years" should be changed to: "About a year".
                              Sorry to be semantic.
                              I will change that, thank you for the suggestion. No problem, I like suggestions. Thank you very much for the compliment, a little humor can't do any bad, I thought it would be nice otherwise it would just be some boring unending story that would droan on, and on.

                              Thank you,

                              Owen Macri

                              Originally posted by ./freelancer
                              Great reading, Owen, good job
                              Thank you very much ./freelancer, I enjoyed writing it.

                              Owen Macri

                              Originally posted by Downslide
                              Owen, my hat is off to you. Truly a refreshing and clever synopsis of the series! I think that this would be PERFECT reference material for any new would-be gate-heads!
                              I give you due props! and a green chip!
                              Thank you for the compliment Downslide, it does explain about the series but it also has some spoilers in it, it depends where people want to come in to the series, and it is more focused around the gates. I could have actually made it longer, there were places where I cut it down so it didn't get to boring, but with a little altering it could be very suitable for newcomers. Thank you for the compliment.

                              Owen Macri

                              Originally posted by Crazedwraith
                              Good j0b Owen, but why assume Ra ever used Antartic gate? He could've just popped up in a ship one day said: hey this place is teh c00l3ts!!!! ditched his unas body for a human and went to get a gate from some other world.
                              Thank you, first of all, I thought "A Brief History of Earth Stargates" was fitting for a thread like this, and a little bit of humor in there didn't hurt.

                              The reason that I worte that Ra used the gate first was because in the episode "Solitudes" of season one, when Jack and Sam are shot through the Stargate to a diffrent place than Teal'c and Daniel, they find a serpent Guard burried in the ice.

                              Thank you again for the compliments.

                              Owen Macri
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                              Thank you again everyone for all of your wonderful coments and the reputation that was given to me.

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