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Young has psychologically crumbled and needs be removed from command.
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Originally posted by jelgate View PostI don't like double standards. Each show should be equated on the same criteria.
It's like if you were writing a comedy series. Then the sequel you wrote to that went a more somber, tragic route. Suddenly, the comedy hammers, injuries, situations are all seen in a different light. You can get away with things in comedy that you can't in a more dramatic series.
I will add that a number of people didn't want SG to go this route in the first place, and this is one of the reasons why; because the series will have to be judged differently, which would clash with earlier iterations. For the record, I was more ambivalent, and was waiting to see how it turned out before judging. I still haven't quite made up my mind.
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Originally posted by Avenger View PostWhile the tone and storytelling are vastly different than the previous shows, this one takes place in the same universe, meaning characters are subject to being judged by the same standards as the previous shows.
Remember "Irresistable"? That was a comedic SGA episode... even though it implied rape as Lucious basically brainwashed and took numerous women as his wives, and tried to take the SGA women as well. Sounds pretty disturbed to me, but it was okay because it was "funny."
Now imagine that plotline in SGU. They come across a guy who brainwashes James, Chloe, Wray, etc. and forces them to have sex with him. Not very funny anymore, is it?
Completely different tone demands a different emotional response.
Jack went crazy in "Window of Opportunity." Rush also went crazy in Darkness. Not quite the same tone, eh?
Try, just try, to imagine *any* of the SG-1 or SGA comedic episodes on SGU. I'll give you a cookie if you can honestly do that, because we all know they wouldn't work.
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Originally posted by Kaiphantom View PostTry this as a mental exercise.
Remember "Irresistable"? That was a comedic SGA episode... even though it implied rape as Lucious basically brainwashed and took numerous women as his wives, and tried to take the SGA women as well. Sounds pretty disturbed to me, but it was okay because it was "funny."
Now imagine that plotline in SGU. They come across a guy who brainwashes James, Chloe, Wray, etc. and forces them to have sex with him. Not very funny anymore, is it?
Completely different tone demands a different emotional response.
Jack went crazy in "Window of Opportunity." Rush also went crazy in Darkness. Not quite the same tone, eh?
Try, just try, to imagine *any* of the SG-1 or SGA comedic episodes on SGU. I'll give you a cookie if you can honestly do that, because we all know they wouldn't work.
If that's the measure of what we should differently about the series, this argument isn't working for me.
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Originally posted by Kaiphantom View PostHe tried an ambush and even bungled that, getting someone killed.
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Originally posted by PG15 View PostThat wasn't Young's fault. It was just really bad luck that the radiation beam decided to strike the beam at that crucial moment.
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Originally posted by xxxevilgrinxxx View Postmaybe it wasn't really funny the first time either?
If that's the measure of what we should differently about the series, this argument isn't working for me.
Originally posted by PG15 View PostThat wasn't Young's fault. It was just really bad luck that the radiation beam decided to strike the beam at that crucial moment.
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jelgate,
Originally posted by jelgate View PostBecause when equating Young's comptence in comparassion to other Stargate leader they need to have the same criteria to be a fair comparassionAll plot and no character makes for a dull story... All plot and no character makes for a dull story... All plot and no character makes for a dull story... All plot and no character makes for a dull story...
"Scott isn't out. Actually, he'll probably soon get back in, then out, then in, then out, then in, with rhythm and stamina." reddevil 4/22/2010
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Originally posted by Ser Scot A Ellison View Postjelgate,
It's not a fair comparassion. Every other SG incarnation had hand picked teams specially selected to do the job they did. Young is stuck with everyone who came through the Gate to Destiny. Most of whom were not supposed to be on the expedition. As such the discord and difficulty he has faced should not be entirely attributed to his command abilities.Originally posted by aretood2Jelgate is right
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jelgate,
Originally posted by jelgate View PostThen shouldn't he be given more leeway in his decision making choices then the harsher criticism in comparassion to past SG leaders?All plot and no character makes for a dull story... All plot and no character makes for a dull story... All plot and no character makes for a dull story... All plot and no character makes for a dull story...
"Scott isn't out. Actually, he'll probably soon get back in, then out, then in, then out, then in, with rhythm and stamina." reddevil 4/22/2010
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Originally posted by Ser Scot A Ellison View Postjelgate,
It's not a fair comparassion. Every other SG incarnation had hand picked teams specially selected to do the job they did. Young is stuck with everyone who came through the Gate to Destiny. Most of whom were not supposed to be on the expedition. As such the discord and difficulty he has faced should not be entirely attributed to his command abilities.
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Originally posted by Ser Scot A Ellison View Postjelgate,
Yes. That's my point. In the other thread I pointed out he's made mistakes but while other's may have avoided his mistakes it's unlikely they would have avoided any mistakes with this group of people.Originally posted by aretood2Jelgate is right
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