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  • EllieVee
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    Originally posted by PG15 View Post
    How about we stop accusing real life people that none of us know of things none of us can prove?

    Evidence from the episode also indicates that the Blues got hold of a stone, and Rush is the only possible source of one.

    Yes, all five stones are accounted for, but as both jel and yet have said, there is no evidence precluding the existence of another set on Icarus that now is among the debris field of that planet. Rush is a pragmatist; he knows that he may need a private line of communication if the 9th chevron leads somewhere far away. Once he found out that Eli had cracked the naquadria core mystery, he probably knew that the mission was happening soon and thus pocketed a stone from this other set, just in case. It makes perfect sense to me; it's the only thing that does; and its both the show's and JM's explanation (not the pragmatist/Eli part, of course, but the Rush-had-a-stone-with-him part).
    And as I said to JM, it still doesn't make sense. Go back and read what I wrote to him. I covered every base.

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  • PG15
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    Originally posted by EllieVee View Post
    And I challenged JM on this and his response still didn't make any sense whatsoever given a dose of logic and the actual evidence from the episodes, as you've indicated above. As I said, when he's challenged he just tends to make something up. Nevermind that it makes no sense.
    How about we stop accusing real life people that none of us know of things none of us can prove?

    Evidence from the episode also indicates that the Blues got hold of a stone, and Rush is the only possible source of one.

    Yes, all five stones are accounted for, but as both jel and yet have said, there is no evidence precluding the existence of another set on Icarus that now is among the debris field of that planet. Rush is a pragmatist; he knows that he may need a private line of communication if the 9th chevron leads somewhere far away. Once he found out that Eli had cracked the naquadria core mystery, he probably knew that the mission was happening soon and thus pocketed a stone from this other set, just in case. It makes perfect sense to me; it's the only thing that does; and its both the show's and JM's explanation (not the pragmatist/Eli part, of course, but the Rush-had-a-stone-with-him part).
    Last edited by PG15; 08 July 2010, 09:34 AM.

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  • EllieVee
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    Originally posted by yet View Post
    maby he stole it from another case with more stones on Icarus, maby every base and every ship has a 1 stone set because it's quicker and as a back up coms devise and is more secure. he also said he asked for the stone set so maby he worked on them in area 51.
    Or maybe not, though I don't get where he was supposed to have asked for a set. I don't recall that at all.

    At this point, I'll leave it there since it's now off topic.

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  • yet
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    maby he stole it from another case with more stones on Icarus, maby every base and every ship has a 1 stone set because it's quicker and as a back up coms devise and is more secure. he also said he asked for the stone set so maby he worked on them in area 51.

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  • EllieVee
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    Originally posted by Artemis-Neith View Post
    Ok I think it would be interesting to sum up the stone affair:

    1. Picture from Air II:


    We see 5 stones, right! As Rush said a little bit later "there are 5 ancient communication stones in this case".
    5 stones not more, not less.

    2. Picture from Space:


    We see 5 stones, wrong?
    Still, 5 stones, not less.

    From where ever Rush took one, it was not from this case.

    Joe Mallozzi's answer to this:


    (link: http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/...lty-pleasures/)

    Since we have to accept that for what ever reason Rush had one stone with him, and that's why the Blues get one, we don't know why Rush owned this stone. From what we've seen in the show, he must have this from a time before he arrived on Destiny. But how he get it, and why he took this one with him, we still don't know.

    So, decide yourself, if you think he's just a sneaky *******, so that's why he've stolen one for himself, that's your choice. If you think he might have some other reasons, we still don't know, but we'll learn later maybe, it's that.

    Whatever you decide, it's up to your taste, we still don't have a proof, for "how?" and "why?".
    And I challenged JM on this and his response still didn't make any sense whatsoever given a dose of logic and the actual evidence from the episodes, as you've indicated above. As I said, when he's challenged he just tends to make something up. Nevermind that it makes no sense.

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  • Artemis-Neith
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    Ok I think it would be interesting to sum up the stone affair:

    1. Picture from Air II:


    We see 5 stones, right! As Rush said a little bit later "there are 5 ancient communication stones in this case".
    5 stones not more, not less.

    2. Picture from Space:


    We see 5 stones, wrong?
    Still, 5 stones, not less.

    From where ever Rush took one, it was not from this case.

    Joe Mallozzi's answer to this:

    E writes: “Will we ever find out how did the Blue Aliens get hold of the communication stone? It’s quite obvious that Rush didn’t take one with him.”
    Answer: Actually, Rush did have one with him. When Young accuses him, Rush doesn’t hide the fact, responding along the lines of “Oh, well.”
    (link: http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/...lty-pleasures/)

    Since we have to accept that for what ever reason Rush had one stone with him, and that's why the Blues get one, we don't know why Rush owned this stone. From what we've seen in the show, he must have this from a time before he arrived on Destiny. But how he get it, and why he took this one with him, we still don't know.

    So, decide yourself, if you think he's just a sneaky *******, so that's why he've stolen one for himself, that's your choice. If you think he might have some other reasons, we still don't know, but we'll learn later maybe, it's that.

    Whatever you decide, it's up to your taste, we still don't have a proof, for "how?" and "why?".

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  • PG15
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    Originally posted by EllieVee View Post
    Gosh, how did that happen?
    Yeah, how did that happen?

    Got any ideas?

    I mean, it's pretty obvious Rush had a stone with him and that the aliens got their hands on said stone after he got captured and that's how it happened, but I'm open to other suggestions.
    Last edited by PG15; 07 July 2010, 11:17 PM.

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  • EllieVee
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    Originally posted by jelgate View Post
    I said one stone. Not the whole other case. As for the using the case in Air its to not draw attention that he may have stolen a stone
    He did it in secret anyway. So, what case was this and why didn't Young ask him about the other case?

    Originally posted by PG15 View Post
    Then how did Young's consciousness get transfered over to the alien's body?
    Gosh, how did that happen?

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  • PG15
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    Originally posted by EllieVee View Post
    No, it isn't.
    Then how did Young's consciousness get transfered over to the alien's body?

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  • jelgate
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    Originally posted by EllieVee View Post
    And where has this mysterious case been all this time? You're not thinking this through. If there was another case Rush wouldn't have needed the case that Young took/tossed through the gate. You're simply trying to make excuses. It's completely illogical.



    No, it isn't.
    I said one stone. Not the whole other case. As for the using the case in Air its to not draw attention that he may have stolen a stone

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  • EllieVee
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    Originally posted by jelgate View Post
    And who is to say their wasn't another case with more stones on Icarus? Thier was nothing said that Icarus originally only have 5.
    And where has this mysterious case been all this time? You're not thinking this through. If there was another case Rush wouldn't have needed the case that Young took/tossed through the gate. You're simply trying to make excuses. It's completely illogical.

    Originally posted by PG15 View Post
    Well said, jel. I didn't think of that.

    Whatever the case, the aliens obviously got their hands on the stones somehow. Given Rush's personality, it'd make sense for him to carry an "insurance policy" just in case anything ever happened to him. It's the only logical explanation for how Young ended up in the alien's body.
    No, it isn't.

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  • PG15
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    Well said, jel. I didn't think of that.

    Whatever the case, the aliens obviously got their hands on the stones somehow. Given Rush's personality, it'd make sense for him to carry an "insurance policy" just in case anything ever happened to him. It's the only logical explanation for how Young ended up in the alien's body.

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  • jelgate
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    Originally posted by EllieVee View Post
    And again, five slots, five stones in them. This is not a difficult concept. If there were other stones, Young would not have held back in his accusations. It would have been out of character for him to do so.
    And who is to say their wasn't another case with more stones on Icarus? Thier was nothing said that Icarus originally only have 5.

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  • EllieVee
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    Originally posted by jelgate View Post
    Unless a stone was missing before the Icarus base attack
    And again, five slots, five stones in them. This is not a difficult concept. If there were other stones, Young would not have held back in his accusations. It would have been out of character for him to do so.

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  • jelgate
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    Originally posted by EllieVee View Post
    No, there are five slots in the box. All five were there. If there were more than five, Young would have known from the beginning one was missing. Given that he knew Rush had used the stones, why, if there were one missing from the beginning, didn't he make the accusation sooner? It's not like he holds back when it comes to flinging out accusations. It doesn't make sense he would do so for this.
    Unless a stone was missing before the Icarus base attack

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