I Think. Young should have had 8 guy in the gateroom waiting for the LA and just killed them as they come through the gate and if it failed just fall to secondly base. if they did that they would have cut the LA in half and maybe saved telford. Without any hosts then vent the gateroom. young had now backup plan thats why he fail. (A-team quote always think 5 steps ahead.)
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Originally posted by Major_Griff View PostDidn't Rush say he couldn't complete the transfer?
Originally posted by Pandora's_Box View PostThis is one of those horrible, crazy, impossible-to-foresee situations that every military commander probably dreads happening, prepares for as best as one can, and then is forced to play by ear when it occurs. Why? Because things never ever happen as predicted or expected or willed when people are added to the mix.
Sure, tactically the best option may have seemed to be to vent the entire gate room to space the moment the LA started coming through the wormhole, but not only would that have been a far colder option than I think Young is actually capable of, it's also incredibly short-sighted. Young had no reason to think that he didn't have at least a short amount of time to get more information out of the LA; he had no way to know they had those door-opening devices and so probably figured to use some time to assess the situation further which could have worked to their advantage if the LA happened to be planning a second wave of some sort or if there happened to be more to their plan. Killing them outright may have taken care of those particular infiltrators, but it would have done nothing in the bigger picture if the LA had planned something else as well.
Regardless, venting atmosphere was a moot point because it would have taken far more time than it took the LA to open the doors with their devices, so they would have had those doors open anyway. The end result would have been the same.
Then there were hostages and while it's kind of easy to sit back and assess the situation now, deeming this more wrong and that move better or worse than any other, working in the moment is probably impossible to fathom.
Should Young have killed everyone including the hostages by venting the atmosphere? What would that have accomplished other than ridding the Destiny of the LA (for a short time perhaps)? Who would have followed his command after that? Would it have been worth losing their only medic, a handful of soldiers and scientists? How much longer would they have survived with Wray in charge of a mission demanding military leadership, with Rush off handling his own agenda, and Young probably doubting/hating himself to the point of being useless to everyone aboard the Destiny?
Crappy situation all around, but of all the not-so-great choices for leadership, Young was probably the best. And honestly, considering the strength of the LA and all the time they've had to plan this incursion vs. how much time Destiny has had to plan its defense, I don't think it would have ended up any other way.
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yep! I like Louis' flawed character. PTSD would explain alot. I imagine most of the characters mistakes and problems could be expained when you look at everything from a mental health standpoint. TJ had a chat with everyone to see how they were doing. How would you be if put in the same? Nutz?sigpic
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Originally posted by fmbchris View Postyep! I like Louis' flawed character. PTSD would explain alot. I imagine most of the characters mistakes and problems could be expained when you look at everything from a mental health standpoint. TJ had a chat with everyone to see how they were doing. How would you be if put in the same? Nutz?
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Wall of text, which I refuse to read on principle. I think his current psychological state is far more human than his previous psychological state, which was more primal.If you wish to see more of my rants, diatribes, and general comments, check out my Twitter account SirRyanR!
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Originally posted by Pandora's_Box View PostThis is one of those horrible, crazy, impossible-to-foresee situations that every military commander probably dreads happening, prepares for as best as one can, and then is forced to play by ear when it occurs. Why? Because things never ever happen as predicted or expected or willed when people are added to the mix.
Sure, tactically the best option may have seemed to be to vent the entire gate room to space the moment the LA started coming through the wormhole, but not only would that have been a far colder option than I think Young is actually capable of, it's also incredibly short-sighted. Young had no reason to think that he didn't have at least a short amount of time to get more information out of the LA; he had no way to know they had those door-opening devices and so probably figured to use some time to assess the situation further which could have worked to their advantage if the LA happened to be planning a second wave of some sort or if there happened to be more to their plan. Killing them outright may have taken care of those particular infiltrators, but it would have done nothing in the bigger picture if the LA had planned something else as well.
Regardless, venting atmosphere was a moot point because it would have taken far more time than it took the LA to open the doors with their devices, so they would have had those doors open anyway. The end result would have been the same.
Then there were hostages and while it's kind of easy to sit back and assess the situation now, deeming this more wrong and that move better or worse than any other, working in the moment is probably impossible to fathom.
Should Young have killed everyone including the hostages by venting the atmosphere? What would that have accomplished other than ridding the Destiny of the LA (for a short time perhaps)? Who would have followed his command after that? Would it have been worth losing their only medic, a handful of soldiers and scientists? How much longer would they have survived with Wray in charge of a mission demanding military leadership, with Rush off handling his own agenda, and Young probably doubting/hating himself to the point of being useless to everyone aboard the Destiny?
Crappy situation all around, but of all the not-so-great choices for leadership, Young was probably the best. And honestly, considering the strength of the LA and all the time they've had to plan this incursion vs. how much time Destiny has had to plan its defense, I don't think it would have ended up any other way.
That was why General O’Neill was shown criticizing Young’s decision and threatening to replace him in command. His choice to delay was a critical and clear error in judgment and as was seen lost the ship and placed everyone’s’ lives in imminent mortal peril.Last edited by Blackhole; 13 June 2010, 07:40 PM.
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Sorry for not reading anything beyond half the 1st page, but here are my thoughts:
He should never vent the room to kill the LA as they arrived, it would be a war crime. But he should not stop venting it just to save a man (two, in the present case). His duty was to vent the damn room to the point everyone inside starded losing balance and bled by the nose; at that moment, no one would be dead, but also in no condition to react.
The SGC military personel would then be able to easily go in (life support restored to the room, of course), disarm the LA invaders and place them under arrest withot a single shot or death. The only reason for all the bull**** that happened was because TPTB needed a conflict and a cliffhanger AND couldn't think of a better way to deliver it.
It would have been much better if the LA personel somehow foresaw/antecipated the venting of the gate room, crossed the gate already wearing breathing aparatus and quickly used the Ancient Lockpicks while Yong yelled "The plan won't wo-ork!!! To your posi-i-tions!!!", and then the episode proceeded as it was made.
See, even I could write this scene better...One Ring to rule the Dark Side
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