Young has psychologically crumbled and needs be removed from command.

[EllieVee]

I said one stone. Not the whole other case. As for the using the case in Air its to not draw attention that he may have stolen a stone

He did it in secret anyway. So, what case was this and why didn't Young ask him about the other case?

Then how did Young's consciousness get transfered over to the alien's body?

Gosh, how did that happen?

[PG15]

Gosh, how did that happen?

Yeah, how did that happen?

Got any ideas?

I mean, it's pretty obvious Rush had a stone with him and that the aliens got their hands on said stone after he got captured and that's how it happened, but I'm open to other suggestions.

[Artemis-Neith]

Ok I think it would be interesting to sum up the stone affair:

1. Picture from Air II:


We see 5 stones, right! As Rush said a little bit later "there are 5 ancient communication stones in this case".
5 stones not more, not less.

2. Picture from Space:


We see 5 stones, wrong?
Still, 5 stones, not less.

From where ever Rush took one, it was not from this case.

Joe Mallozzi's answer to this:

E writes: “Will we ever find out how did the Blue Aliens get hold of the communication stone? It’s quite obvious that Rush didn’t take one with him.”
Answer: Actually, Rush did have one with him. When Young accuses him, Rush doesn’t hide the fact, responding along the lines of “Oh, well.”

(link: http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/...lty-pleasures/)

Since we have to accept that for what ever reason Rush had one stone with him, and that's why the Blues get one, we don't know why Rush owned this stone. From what we've seen in the show, he must have this from a time before he arrived on Destiny. But how he get it, and why he took this one with him, we still don't know.

So, decide yourself, if you think he's just a sneaky *******, so that's why he've stolen one for himself, that's your choice. If you think he might have some other reasons, we still don't know, but we'll learn later maybe, it's that.

Whatever you decide, it's up to your taste, we still don't have a proof, for "how?" and "why?".

[EllieVee]

Ok I think it would be interesting to sum up the stone affair:

1. Picture from Air II:


We see 5 stones, right! As Rush said a little bit later "there are 5 ancient communication stones in this case".
5 stones not more, not less.

2. Picture from Space:


We see 5 stones, wrong?
Still, 5 stones, not less.

From where ever Rush took one, it was not from this case.

Joe Mallozzi's answer to this:


(link: http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/...lty-pleasures/)

Since we have to accept that for what ever reason Rush had one stone with him, and that's why the Blues get one, we don't know why Rush owned this stone. From what we've seen in the show, he must have this from a time before he arrived on Destiny. But how he get it, and why he took this one with him, we still don't know.

So, decide yourself, if you think he's just a sneaky *******, so that's why he've stolen one for himself, that's your choice. If you think he might have some other reasons, we still don't know, but we'll learn later maybe, it's that.

Whatever you decide, it's up to your taste, we still don't have a proof, for "how?" and "why?".

And I challenged JM on this and his response still didn't make any sense whatsoever given a dose of logic and the actual evidence from the episodes, as you've indicated above. As I said, when he's challenged he just tends to make something up. Nevermind that it makes no sense.

[yet]

maby he stole it from another case with more stones on Icarus, maby every base and every ship has a 1 stone set because it's quicker and as a back up coms devise and is more secure. he also said he asked for the stone set so maby he worked on them in area 51.

[EllieVee]

maby he stole it from another case with more stones on Icarus, maby every base and every ship has a 1 stone set because it's quicker and as a back up coms devise and is more secure. he also said he asked for the stone set so maby he worked on them in area 51.

Or maybe not, though I don't get where he was supposed to have asked for a set. I don't recall that at all.

At this point, I'll leave it there since it's now off topic.

[PG15]

And I challenged JM on this and his response still didn't make any sense whatsoever given a dose of logic and the actual evidence from the episodes, as you've indicated above. As I said, when he's challenged he just tends to make something up. Nevermind that it makes no sense.

How about we stop accusing real life people that none of us know of things none of us can prove?

Evidence from the episode also indicates that the Blues got hold of a stone, and Rush is the only possible source of one.

Yes, all five stones are accounted for, but as both jel and yet have said, there is no evidence precluding the existence of another set on Icarus that now is among the debris field of that planet. Rush is a pragmatist; he knows that he may need a private line of communication if the 9th chevron leads somewhere far away. Once he found out that Eli had cracked the naquadria core mystery, he probably knew that the mission was happening soon and thus pocketed a stone from this other set, just in case. It makes perfect sense to me; it's the only thing that does; and its both the show's and JM's explanation (not the pragmatist/Eli part, of course, but the Rush-had-a-stone-with-him part).

[EllieVee]

How about we stop accusing real life people that none of us know of things none of us can prove?

Evidence from the episode also indicates that the Blues got hold of a stone, and Rush is the only possible source of one.

Yes, all five stones are accounted for, but as both jel and yet have said, there is no evidence precluding the existence of another set on Icarus that now is among the debris field of that planet. Rush is a pragmatist; he knows that he may need a private line of communication if the 9th chevron leads somewhere far away. Once he found out that Eli had cracked the naquadria core mystery, he probably knew that the mission was happening soon and thus pocketed a stone from this other set, just in case. It makes perfect sense to me; it's the only thing that does; and its both the show's and JM's explanation (not the pragmatist/Eli part, of course, but the Rush-had-a-stone-with-him part).

And as I said to JM, it still doesn't make sense. Go back and read what I wrote to him. I covered every base.

[Sami_]

Given the evidence I see Rush having his own stone as the unlikeliest, off the top of my head I can't think of a time when someone has stopped him from using a stone and even if they did he could clearly make up some lie as to why it was necessary, theres no advantage for him nobody knowing when he uses a stone so privacy doesn't seem a likely motive - when he connects to someone on earth nobody knows what he does anyway and when his connectee ended up in Rushs' body there would be questions asked by the rest of the crew. In short, theres no good reason for him to keep a private stone.

I just don't think they cared about explaining it and it never crossed their mind to remove the lost stone from the case. Just a careless piece of writing/screenplay.

[EllieVee]

Given the evidence I see Rush having his own stone as the unlikeliest, off the top of my head I can't think of a time when someone has stopped him from using a stone and even if they did he could clearly make up some lie as to why it was necessary, theres no advantage for him nobody knowing when he uses a stone so privacy doesn't seem a likely motive - when he connects to someone on earth nobody knows what he does anyway and when his connectee ended up in Rushs' body there would be questions asked by the rest of the crew. In short, theres no good reason for him to keep a private stone.

I just don't think they cared about explaining it and it never crossed their mind to remove the lost stone from the case. Just a careless piece of writing/screenplay.

Hence, my theory: JM just made something up and nevermind that it doesn't make sense.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

I thought it was heavily implied that the Blues could interfear with LRCS communication because if their brain to brain method of communication.

[jelgate]

I thought it was heavily implied that the Blues could interfear with LRCS communication because if their brain to brain method of communication.

That could be true but it still doesn't answer PG15's point about the blues having a stone

[Artemis-Neith]

That could be true but it still doesn't answer PG15's point about the blues having a stone

There's no question about this, as JM stated, they got it from Rush's belongings. It's not clear why, and from where Rush got it. But it's clear from whom the Blues got it.

[PG15]

And as I said to JM, it still doesn't make sense. Go back and read what I wrote to him. I covered every base.

Where can I find what you wrote? Is it in this thread?

I only recall one JM quote in this thread and it's by someone named "E" - is that you?

Given the evidence I see Rush having his own stone as the unlikeliest, off the top of my head I can't think of a time when someone has stopped him from using a stone and even if they did he could clearly make up some lie as to why it was necessary, theres no advantage for him nobody knowing when he uses a stone so privacy doesn't seem a likely motive - when he connects to someone on earth nobody knows what he does anyway and when his connectee ended up in Rushs' body there would be questions asked by the rest of the crew. In short, theres no good reason for him to keep a private stone.

Except for the situation in Justice when he's stranded. If it weren't for the stone he would've never been found.

I wouldn't be surprised if Rush considered that this may happen and prepared for it.

Also, it was Young who brought the stones in the first place (Rush pulled the stones from Young's bag in "Air II", and Young packed the stone box in "Air I") - I wonder if Rush knew the rest of the stones were going to be brought in the first place. If he didn't, then had he taken a stone with him he'd be the first one reachable from Earth.

Of course, this is presuming Earth would think to use the stones without having someone report in to tell them that they should (i.e. Rush in "Air II") so maybe this is irrelevant - but still, knowing that Icarus had at least one set of stones, they might try, just in case. Whatever may happen I think bringing something that allows intergalactic communication is still prudent, especially when it can be stuffed into your pocket, and I think Rush believes this too.

[blackluster]

Except for the situation in Justice when he's stranded. If it weren't for the stone he would've never been found.

The aliens found him because he activated their craft.

Also, it was Young who brought the stones in the first place (Rush pulled the stones from Young's bag in "Air II", and Young packed the stone box in "Air I") - I wonder if Rush knew the rest of the stones were going to be brought in the first place. If he didn't, then had he taken a stone with him he'd be the first one reachable from Earth.

Of course, this is presuming Earth would think to use the stones without having someone report in to tell them that they should (i.e. Rush in "Air II") so maybe this is irrelevant - but still, knowing that Icarus had at least one set of stones, they might try, just in case. Whatever may happen I think bringing something that allows intergalactic communication is still prudent, especially when it can be stuffed into your pocket, and I think Rush believes this too.

I don't think they're easy enough to get a hold of to do something like what you're suggesting.

As far as I can recall, Young only accuses Rysh of having had a stone, I don't think we ever actually see it. If the aliens actually had a stone I think they would have been connecting to Earth sporadically but that doesn't seem to have happened.

Ser Scot's theory about their brain reading technology interfering with the stones seems far more likely.