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    The whole lack of power is somewhat concocted though.

    If you discount anything that Eli could do on the ship to keep alive then you are left with:

    If Eli uses more power than the plan allows...and doesn't do anything to replenish that power..then if he continues with the current plan.. Destiny will get stuck in the space between galaxies.

    That is a lot of If's.

    Destiny would almost certainly have no power issues making the inter galaxy jump if it just stopped to refuel 1 more time along the way.

    I don't think it was said explicitly in show that Destiny could not survive one more encounter. Only that they couldn't keep doing this all the time.

    Given that they have the new shield modifications that protect against enemy weapons fire and they are headed straight into the star, the drones should find it hard to follow to ram Destiny. I'd give Eli pretty good odds on being able to pull it off especially if he unfroze a few of the crew to help him out.

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      Originally posted by Railgun View Post
      I don't think it was said explicitly in show that Destiny could not survive one more encounter. Only that they couldn't keep doing this all the time.
      I thought the reason for re-fueling in a blue star was that they doubted they could survive another encounter. (And the blue star was a one-time trick.)

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        Originally posted by garhkal View Post
        Every time we sundive we recharge to 'max' but what our max is, is only 40% or less now of what is possible for the destiny to hold due to damage.
        Funny, I don't remember that part in any of the episodes.
        Regardless, whether it's 40% or 100%, or any point in between, we have NO idea what that actually means.
        All we do know is that the Destiny has to travel 2 thirds of the current Galaxy and the void before reaching the next galaxy.
        Presumably to the first re-chargeable sun, Before dropping out of FTL to be able to connect to a gate.
        That is the current trajectory, as stated in the last episode.
        We all agree that there is very little extra power above what is required.
        Connecting to the first gate would be a stretch, the writers would have to come up with some explanation as to how Eli was able to do that. Maybe because of the Blue Giant re-charge, the was some un-specified reserve, or something else, just speculating here...
        But the point is, it's feasible and doable.
        Not unlike living in the shuttle for three years, most inane idea if I ever heard of.
        If you have a feasible or possible solution to Eli's dilemma, please express it. I'm willing to consider anything.
        Poking holes in other persons possible solutions is the easiest thing in the world to do.
        Let's see you come up with a feasible solution that won't make everyone just crack up with laughter from the sheer absurdity.

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          Originally posted by Brother Freyr View Post
          Wrong. This one is easy for the writers to script.
          Well, as far as we know, the Teal'c was trapped inside the gate because of a power surge from the originating Gate.
          And the trapping happened in the destination gate.
          In order to try such a solution, Destiny would have to drop out of FTL to attempt to create a wormhole.
          As stated here before, by someone else, more power consumption.
          Regardless, trapping someone in the event horizon of the originating gate would require a DHD. I would think.
          In the episode i mentioned above, SGC had to borrow the DHD from the Russians in order re-materialize Teal'c.
          Again, way to many contrivances for a solution.
          The solution has to simple enough for the average audience to comprehend. Not an easy task.


          You would have them abandon Destiny and try their luck at surviving on an unknown planet?
          Surviving in an unknown planet, which Destiny should have a detailed profile on, with plenty of life support, yeah, that sound a little more doable than 3 years in the shuttle. But then, that's just me.
          Alive is a little more preferable than death.
          What I propose is a possible solution to Eli's Dilemma.
          Nowhere have I suggested the he do this if it would cut into the power required for Destiny to complete the journey to the next Galaxy.
          That is if we are interested in actually being alive when the crew does come out of the pods.

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            Originally posted by Railgun View Post
            Destiny would almost certainly have no power issues making the inter galaxy jump if it just stopped to refuel 1 more time along the way.

            I don't think it was said explicitly in show that Destiny could not survive one more encounter. Only that they couldn't keep doing this all the time.

            Given that they have the new shield modifications that protect against enemy weapons fire and they are headed straight into the star, the drones should find it hard to follow to ram Destiny. I'd give Eli pretty good odds on being able to pull it off especially if he unfroze a few of the crew to help him out.
            The problem is finding a star that is being not blockaded by the drones.
            Can they survive another encounter with Drones and a Command ship, probably yes. However, the damage inflicted would lower the power efficiency rate that would nullify any additional charge of the power reserves.
            At least that is the way I understood it.
            Regardless, the drones cannot survive the close proximity with ANY star.
            So, they have to inflict the damage to the ship prior to a certain point, because following the ship into the star, ANY star, is fatal to them.

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              RUSH: What Eli is neglecting to mention is that a jump like this is gonna require every last ounce of power we have, and if his calculations are off ...

              WALLACE: They're not.

              RUSH: ... and we fall short even by a fraction, a tenth of one percent ...

              WALLACE: We won't.

              RUSH: ... then we're gonna drift the rest of the way and instead of three years, it'll take a thousand.
              Even pulling people out of stasis might be too costly. Dialing the Stargate certainly will be. And, we have no certainty even an ordinary Stargate dialing will reach the distant galaxy: they can't from Milky Way. Okay, the obvious easy way out is that Eli somehow gets a live data feed from the seed ships, reporting a ZPM type energy supply device at the first planet, and unilaterally gambles everything on a trans-galactic super-dialing, and successfully collects a power supply and gates back to a heroes welcome.

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                Eli ascended on his own. It's either that or freeze to death once Destiny's life support switches off. There'd be plenty of air for one man on a ship big enough to house thousands of people.
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                  Originally posted by Quizziard View Post
                  Even pulling people out of stasis might be too costly. Dialing the Stargate certainly will be. And, we have no certainty even an ordinary Stargate dialing will reach the distant galaxy: they can't from Milky Way. Okay, the obvious easy way out is that Eli somehow gets a live data feed from the seed ships, reporting a ZPM type energy supply device at the first planet, and unilaterally gambles everything on a trans-galactic super-dialing, and successfully collects a power supply and gates back to a heroes welcome.
                  Who said anything about dialing back?
                  It would have to be a one way trip.
                  Yeah, there are a lot of details to be worked out, especially the power part.
                  But, given certain revelations, it's doable. Living in the shuttle for 3 years is not.

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                    Originally posted by Brother Freyr View Post
                    I thought the reason for re-fueling in a blue star was that they doubted they could survive another encounter. (And the blue star was a one-time trick.)
                    They felt that the risk of refuelling in an unguarded Blue star was less than the risk of fighting over a normal star but they have some major confidence issues since their prior encounters have not all gone to plan. So I'd put this down to an emotional decision of a battle weary crew who did not want to fight.

                    Originally posted by Misfit2nite View Post
                    The problem is finding a star that is being not blockaded by the drones.
                    Can they survive another encounter with Drones and a Command ship, probably yes. However, the damage inflicted would lower the power efficiency rate that would nullify any additional charge of the power reserves.
                    At least that is the way I understood it.
                    Regardless, the drones cannot survive the close proximity with ANY star.
                    So, they have to inflict the damage to the ship prior to a certain point, because following the ship into the star, ANY star, is fatal to them.
                    Any energy used in the battle would be replenished in the star so it wouldn't matter how much of their reserves they used to accomplish a refuelling. Of course if they were unsuccessful and had to abort they would not be able to continue with their plan to jump through to the next galaxy in 1 go.

                    The drones would have to pull out something really unexpected to even dent Destiny though. Their weapons are useless and ramming is hard once in close proximity to the star.

                    The main risk I could envisage would be if the co-ordinates of the jump were out so that either a significant number or drones or the command ship were located in the path between destiny and the Star and able to ram before Destiny gets into the protection of the star.

                    For that it will need Rush and Chloe to be unfrozen do the calculations.

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                      Originally posted by Railgun View Post
                      Given that they have the new shield modifications that protect against enemy weapons fire and they are headed straight into the star, the drones should find it hard to follow to ram Destiny. I'd give Eli pretty good odds on being able to pull it off especially if he unfroze a few of the crew to help him out.
                      While that might work, if you notice, every time we have come out to go into a sun, we usually are far enough away the drones can interpose themselves between us and the sun. so unless we go off course, we will have to brave the gauntlet again to refuel.

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                        Originally posted by Railgun View Post
                        Any energy used in the battle would be replenished in the star so it wouldn't matter how much of their reserves they used to accomplish a refuelling. Of course if they were unsuccessful and had to abort they would not be able to continue with their plan to jump through to the next galaxy in 1 go.
                        Actually, that would not be the case.
                        The reason why they have so much power that they can attempt to traverse 2 thirds of the current galaxy with the void to the next galaxy would be because they just re-charged from a blue super giant.

                        Re-fueling from a normal yellow would not charge as much.
                        Remember that the last void was traversed with barely enough energy from a yellow star.
                        And this one coming up is longer than normal.

                        Additionally, any encounter with drones would inflict damage to Destiny that would lower the efficiency of power usage that would make any re-charge moot.


                        The drones would have to pull out something really unexpected to even dent Destiny though. Their weapons are useless and ramming is hard once in close proximity to the star.

                        The main risk I could envisage would be if the co-ordinates of the jump were out so that either a significant number or drones or the command ship were located in the path between destiny and the Star and able to ram before Destiny gets into the protection of the star.

                        For that it will need Rush and Chloe to be unfrozen do the calculations.
                        Actually, they ram themselves into Destiny once they realize that their weapons are having no effect.
                        And such strategy seemed to me like they are affecting Destiny more so than their weapon fire would.
                        So, tuning the shield has more detrimental effect in the long run.
                        And for Destiny that would mean more damage.
                        Either way, it's not a feasible option.
                        The only way Destiny should try to re-charge would be if there is a guarantee that the drones won't get to Destiny prior to getting into the star.
                        Which according to their forward scanning, is not possible.
                        That is the reason why they are in this pickle of a situation.

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                          Originally posted by garhkal View Post
                          While that might work, if you notice, every time we have come out to go into a sun, we usually are far enough away the drones can interpose themselves between us and the sun. so unless we go off course, we will have to brave the gauntlet again to refuel.
                          Chloe calculated a jump right up to the command ship, so close Destiny almost rammed it. It could have been a fluke, but she's getting quite good at that since the Blue guys kidnapped her.

                          The advantage of surprise is in Destinys favor though. They can track the drones so know exactly where they are and then go for the other side of the star giving the drones no time to respond before Destiny was safe inside.

                          Originally posted by Misfit2nite View Post
                          Actually, that would not be the case.
                          The reason why they have so much power that they can attempt to traverse 2 thirds of the current galaxy with the void to the next galaxy would be because they just re-charged from a blue super giant.

                          Re-fueling from a normal yellow would not charge as much.
                          Nope, Destiny has a capacity to store energy, that capacity is not altered by the type of star it uses to recharge. The rate at which it is able to reach that capacity may be affected but not the overall amount of energy Destiny can store.

                          Right now Destiny has just about enough energy to travel to the next galaxy or just less than enough if Eli remains active.
                          They can recharge at any point before they reach the end of the galaxy that they are in, but it would be the best chance to do it somewhere in the middle of where they are now and the outer rim of the galaxy.

                          That would give them a healthy reserve of power to cross the void but if they failed would allow another attempt before reaching it.

                          Originally posted by Misfit2nite View Post
                          Actually, they ram themselves into Destiny once they realize that their weapons are having no effect.
                          And such strategy seemed to me like they are affecting Destiny more so than their weapon fire would.
                          So, tuning the shield has more detrimental effect in the long run.
                          That scenario was already catered for in what I wrote.
                          They are expected to try to ram, but will be unable to do so if Destiny can get into the star before they have time to react.

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                            Originally posted by Railgun View Post
                            Nope, Destiny has a capacity to store energy, that capacity is not altered by the type of star it uses to recharge. The rate at which it is able to reach that capacity may be affected but not the overall amount of energy Destiny can store.
                            Actually, if you go back to 'Water', Rush said, the power was recharged to less than 40% of original capacity. And they just charged from a yellow star.
                            Whereas, after they charged from the blue super giant, Rush said that they were at maximum capacity.
                            Which would imply that they got a higher capacity charge.
                            And that's the reason why they are traversing 2 thirds of the current galaxy plus the void, in order to reach the next galaxy.
                            Whereas in 'Sabotage' even though they just re-charged, from the edge of the previous galaxy, they were going to fall short because of thee inefficiency of one of the FTL modules.

                            Right now Destiny has just about enough energy to travel to the next galaxy or just less than enough if Eli remains active.
                            They can recharge at any point before they reach the end of the galaxy that they are in, but it would be the best chance to do it somewhere in the middle of where they are now and the outer rim of the galaxy.

                            That would give them a healthy reserve of power to cross the void but if they failed would allow another attempt before reaching it.
                            We all know that galaxies are flat, they are not spheres. So, the obvious inference is that Destiny is taking a flight path that moves itself out of the galactical plane and making a dash to the next galaxy. Hence no solar systems in the path. Therefore no Command ships or drones blockading them either.
                            So any attempt to re-charge from a star would require the Destiny to re-align itself back into the galactical plane which would bring the Command ships and drones back into it's path.
                            Detours that would require more power consumption, power that they don't have.
                            You would attempt such a move only if absolutely necessary. And you would have to succeed, or you would be dead.
                            It would be a bird in hand proposition.
                            Right now, you know you'll get to the next galaxy, moving out of that flight path would probably mean you have to be successful in re-charging or you're dead. Because it would mean multiple yellow star re-charges and having to go through as many command ships and their compliment of drones.

                            While the concept of dropping out of FTL close enough to the star before the Drones have a chance to attack sounds like a feasible idea, we know that the Destiny FTL engines do have a glitch that seems to disable it's FTL engines in immediate proximity to the star. And, once out of the Star proximity, Destiny FTL engines require 3 hours before re-engaging.
                            We have never seen Destiny spend that long of a time within the star, yet.
                            What we have seen is Destiny take a flight path to skim on the surface of a star, but not stay there for 3 hours.
                            So, yeah, coming out of the FTL very close to the star is probably a no-dice situation.

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                              Originally posted by Misfit2nite View Post
                              Well, as far as we know, the Teal'c was trapped inside the gate because of a power surge from the originating Gate.
                              And the trapping happened in the destination gate.
                              In order to try such a solution, Destiny would have to drop out of FTL to attempt to create a wormhole.
                              As stated here before, by someone else, more power consumption.
                              Regardless, trapping someone in the event horizon of the originating gate would require a DHD. I would think.
                              In the episode i mentioned above, SGC had to borrow the DHD from the Russians in order re-materialize Teal'c.
                              Again, way to many contrivances for a solution.
                              The solution has to simple enough for the average audience to comprehend. Not an easy task.
                              You're missing the point. On earth the SGC had to hack the DHD to make it do what they needed. The SGC was still in its infancy with its understanding of gate tech.

                              Destiny is physically connected via the ships computers to the onboard stargate. This makes the gate itself directly accessible and programmable to do whatever they need it to do. Although it functions as one, it isn't a normal stargate.

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                                Originally posted by Misfit2nite View Post
                                Actually, if you go back to 'Water', Rush said, the power was recharged to less than 40% of original capacity. And they just charged from a yellow star.
                                Whereas, after they charged from the blue super giant, Rush said that they were at maximum capacity.
                                Which would imply that they got a higher capacity charge.
                                And that's the reason why they are traversing 2 thirds of the current galaxy plus the void, in order to reach the next galaxy.
                                Whereas in 'Sabotage' even though they just re-charged, from the edge of the previous galaxy, they were going to fall short because of thee inefficiency of one of the FTL modules.

                                We all know that galaxies are flat, they are not spheres. So, the obvious inference is that Destiny is taking a flight path that moves itself out of the galactical plane and making a dash to the next galaxy. Hence no solar systems in the path. Therefore no Command ships or drones blockading them either.
                                So any attempt to re-charge from a star would require the Destiny to re-align itself back into the galactical plane which would bring the Command ships and drones back into it's path.
                                Detours that would require more power consumption, power that they don't have.
                                You would attempt such a move only if absolutely necessary. And you would have to succeed, or you would be dead.
                                It would be a bird in hand proposition.
                                Right now, you know you'll get to the next galaxy, moving out of that flight path would probably mean you have to be successful in re-charging or you're dead. Because it would mean multiple yellow star re-charges and having to go through as many command ships and their compliment of drones.

                                While the concept of dropping out of FTL close enough to the star before the Drones have a chance to attack sounds like a feasible idea, we know that the Destiny FTL engines do have a glitch that seems to disable it's FTL engines in immediate proximity to the star. And, once out of the Star proximity, Destiny FTL engines require 3 hours before re-engaging.
                                We have never seen Destiny spend that long of a time within the star, yet.
                                What we have seen is Destiny take a flight path to skim on the surface of a star, but not stay there for 3 hours.
                                So, yeah, coming out of the FTL very close to the star is probably a no-dice situation.


                                'Water' was a vary early episode. There are a lot of possible answers for your observation but just one is:

                                Any ability to not be able to recharge to full capacity would have been caused by accumulated damage to the systems over the time since the ship set off a very long time ago. Many of the damaged parts were then replaced using parts harvested from the alternate "time-shifted" Destiny. So the ship was once again able to recharge to it's full capacity.

                                Actually, they are not at maximum capacity now though.
                                From the transcript:
                                Eli says.."On top of that, thanks to the ass-kicking that was just handed to us, we've got power issues ... and some not-insignificant damage to the F.T.L. drive that we won't have time to fix, which means we'll be operating at reduced speed, which means we might actually run out of ..."

                                Like I said before it doesn't matter how much energy it takes to fight to recharge because they are going to get it back.

                                Whilst I do not dispute there would not be sufficient power to continue their plan should the attempt to recharge fail it is far from certain that they will survive if they just continue with the plan even if Eli kills himself. I therefore think it is worth the risk for them(Especially Eli).

                                Also the original expectation from Brody was that recharging by fighting the command ships may be possible once or twice before damage started to accumulate. This was before the shield modification advance.

                                And rush was quoted as saying: "Well, we can't run, we can't hide. We'll have to fight."
                                Reluctant to fight yes, but not a suicidal thought.

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