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    #31
    Enough food for the whole crew for 1 month each should be enough for 1 crew member to survive for 36 months even with some spoilage. May also be possible to salvage some of the hydroponics setup to grow more food/oxygen en route.

    CO2 scrubbers were a chemical reaction so should keep working. So no problem with oxygen.

    Using only the life support on the shuttle would use a lot less power than regular use of the shuttle. By wearing the space suit sometimes Eli could extend this further if needed.

    It's life or death for Eli so I think he could use a bucket or something lol

    Edit: Actually the obvious solution would be Eli eats the food and stays alive for as long as he can then he swaps with someone in stasis and they starve for as long as they can then swap with the next person and do that through the whole crew.
    Last edited by Railgun; February 19, 2013, 05:43 AM.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Energizer_Vs_ZPM View Post
      Your usb thumb drive doesn't need power to keep its files intact does it!
      Once the pattern/data is IN the thumb drive, no. But it does take some power to get it in to begin with...

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        #33
        Originally posted by Railgun View Post
        May also be possible to salvage some of the hydroponics setup to grow more food/oxygen en route.
        But the ships systems have been shutdown in order to have enough energy to make it to the next galaxy. Where do you think the energy to keep hydroponics is going to come fr

        Originally posted by Railgun View Post
        CO2 scrubbers were a chemical reaction so should keep working. So no problem with oxygen.
        May be a chemical reaction but the air is still pumped through them in order to scrub it. That requires pumps and plenty of them in order to keep the air flowing through the scrubbers. It was clearly stated that there would be maximum life support of just two weeks.

        Originally posted by Railgun View Post
        Using only the life support on the shuttle would use a lot less power than regular use of the shuttle.
        Where is this stated? - The shuttles entire systems would be powered up so it will still be sapping energy continually and this wasn't calculated into the power equations for the jump to the next galaxy. What I'm saying is that there was not enough power to run the shuttle.
        By wearing the space suit sometimes Eli could extend this further if needed.

        Originally posted by Railgun View Post
        It's life or death for Eli so I think he could use a bucket or something lol
        Death it is then. You do know that human waste produces methane gas and carbon dioxide don't you? Without enough surplas power to run the shuttle that will kill Eli if he hasn't choked on his own vomit first (caused by the stench).

        Originally posted by Railgun View Post
        Edit: Actually the obvious solution would be Eli eats the food and stays alive for as long as he can then he swaps with someone in stasis and they starve for as long as they can then swap with the next person and do that through the whole crew.
        But just waking up other crew members and then going back into stasis will consume even more energy. It's like starting a car.. the starter motor draws a lot of power to start the car. It then uses a lot of energy to start moving. To stop it it consumes energy to apply the brakes (the ecu injects more fuel to increase the engine power so that it has enough power to brake without stalling). While running at a nominal speed however, it doesn't use quite as much energy or fuel as it is at a stable speed with no heavy acceleration or braking.

        To put it bluntly, using the shuttle or even a space suit is not only practically impossible but also theoretically impossible. Then you have the boredom, the mental health, the lack of space, lack of excercise etc. Could you survive in the space of a shuttle for 3 years in the middle of nowehere, no friends, no family, nothing to do, no facilities and not have a single panic attack?

        You've just not thought it through.

        Originally posted by Quizziard;1371106
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        Once the pattern/data is IN the thumb drive, no. But it does take some power to get it in to begin with...
        Yes which the ship has. Once the memory is written it doesn't need power to preserve it and THAT is the point I am making.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Quizziard View Post
          Once the pattern/data is IN the thumb drive, no. But it does take some power to get it in to begin with...
          Plus the "Buffer storage" method happened to Tea'lc coming INTO the SGC gate.. not as an outgoing or 'just dial to get an event horizon' aspect. Heck do we even know that the gate can make an event horizon without connecting to somewhere else??

          Yes which the ship has. Once the memory is written it doesn't need power to preserve it and THAT is the point I am making.
          But getting it INTO the gate's buffer will be the issue... He can't dial somewhere else to get a connection/event horizon. We have only seen 1 instance of it even happening in the past and as mentioned above, that was with an INCOMING wormhole.

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            #35
            Originally posted by garhkal View Post
            Plus the "Buffer storage" method happened to Tea'lc coming INTO the SGC gate.. not as an outgoing or 'just dial to get an event horizon' aspect. Heck do we even know that the gate can make an event horizon without connecting to somewhere else??
            You just said it yourself, it happened with Tealc so yes the gate can create an artificial event horizon without a connection.

            Originally posted by garhkal View Post
            But getting it INTO the gate's buffer will be the issue... He can't dial somewhere else to get a connection/event horizon. We have only seen 1 instance of it even happening in the past and as mentioned above, that was with an INCOMING wormhole.
            Yes but the gate on destiny is hooked into destinys computers. Eli is the computer kid. Destiny is no ordinary ship with a gate, it's the ship that can communicate with gates in real-time via a subspace link and do all sorts of unknown fancy stuff based on its mission. I think it would be fair to say that Eli could reprogram the gate to create an event horizon and then store the matter stream in the buffer. As for the incoming / outgoing thing, yes there is still a buffer for outgoing. Do you not remember the PJ getting stuck in Atlantis? - They put shepherd in the puddle to preserve him in the gates buffer.

            As the gates can only send in one direction at a time - incoming / outgoing, I think it would be fair to assume that the same buffer is used for incoming and outgoing wormholes and that the buffer / person could be input AND output via the same gate.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Energizer_Vs_ZPM View Post
              You just said it yourself, it happened with Tealc so yes the gate can create an artificial event horizon without a connection.
              The incident with Teal'c involved a fully connected wormhole.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Quizziard View Post
                The incident with Teal'c involved a fully connected wormhole.
                For the input yes but not for the output. It output him through an event horizon yet there was no wormhole connection - that is my point.

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                  #38
                  BUT what we are saying is that with teal'c, he was stored cause he came Into the SGC gate via a fully connected wormhole, but was kept in the buffer cause the wormhole got disconnected before fully intergrating him.
                  How is eli going to duplicate that?

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by garhkal View Post
                    How is eli going to duplicate that?
                    *SIGH*

                    Again, by reconfiguring the gate via the computer terminals. As I've stated already, Destiny and its gate are not a normal setup. They're both wired into the ships systems and so should be able to reconfigure the gate programmatically instead of crystal swapping.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by garhkal View Post
                      BUT what we are saying is that with teal'c, he was stored cause he came Into the SGC gate via a fully connected wormhole, but was kept in the buffer cause the wormhole got disconnected before fully intergrating him.
                      How is eli going to duplicate that?
                      A stargate, not a wormhole, de-materialized Teal'c on one end, and a stargate (not a wormhole) eventually re-integrated him on the SGC end. The techno-babble in that episode established that the wormhole is only a conveyance. Wormholes are the phone lines, and stargates are the telephones. The gates themselves handle all of the de-materializing and re-integration. Thus, a wormhole (according the stargate mythology) isn't theoretically needed for a stargate to dematerialize matter. Normally, it de-materializes matter and stores the information (energy pattern? whatever) in the buffer until it detects that the entire object is processed, then and only then sending the energy (or whatever) into the wormhole for transportation. (That part was revealed in yet a different episode.) Eli could theoretically store himself in the buffer, without a wormhole, assuming the stargate has sufficent power for that operation.

                      Note: I don't really like the way the pseudo-science developed on this one, but we're stuck with what we have.
                      Last edited by Brother Freyr; February 20, 2013, 04:36 PM.

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Energizer_Vs_ZPM View Post
                        But the ships systems have been shutdown in order to have enough energy to make it to the next galaxy. Where do you think the energy to keep hydroponics is going to come fr



                        May be a chemical reaction but the air is still pumped through them in order to scrub it. That requires pumps and plenty of them in order to keep the air flowing through the scrubbers. It was clearly stated that there would be maximum life support of just two weeks.



                        Where is this stated? - The shuttles entire systems would be powered up so it will still be sapping energy continually and this wasn't calculated into the power equations for the jump to the next galaxy. What I'm saying is that there was not enough power to run the shuttle.
                        By wearing the space suit sometimes Eli could extend this further if needed.



                        Death it is then. You do know that human waste produces methane gas and carbon dioxide don't you? Without enough surplas power to run the shuttle that will kill Eli if he hasn't choked on his own vomit first (caused by the stench).



                        But just waking up other crew members and then going back into stasis will consume even more energy. It's like starting a car.. the starter motor draws a lot of power to start the car. It then uses a lot of energy to start moving. To stop it it consumes energy to apply the brakes (the ecu injects more fuel to increase the engine power so that it has enough power to brake without stalling). While running at a nominal speed however, it doesn't use quite as much energy or fuel as it is at a stable speed with no heavy acceleration or braking.

                        To put it bluntly, using the shuttle or even a space suit is not only practically impossible but also theoretically impossible. Then you have the boredom, the mental health, the lack of space, lack of excercise etc. Could you survive in the space of a shuttle for 3 years in the middle of nowehere, no friends, no family, nothing to do, no facilities and not have a single panic attack?

                        You've just not thought it through.
                        You don't need to pump air through the scrubbers. With lime(assume that the Novan substance works in a similar way) at least it's a chemical reaction so it will leach CO2 out of the air to feed the reaction. If you blow used air through it may be a bit quicker but it's not going to make much difference.

                        For the shuttle to move it needs to have kinetic energy this means that the shuttle will use more energy when travelling as opposed to being stationary. The laws of Thermodynamics tell us that energy is conserved.

                        Seriously, have you seen the size of Destiny. He's not going to suffocate from methane poisoning due to inhaling his own waste products any time soon. To be extra safe I'd advise him to go down to Rush's quarters to take a dump and be sure to close the doors afterwards.

                        I don't know the power requirements of the stasis pods I'd assume it's not massive though. It might be worth trawling the transcripts to see if it's said anywhere.

                        Like I said before Eli would use the stones so he wouldn't be bored at all. He'd probably spend most of the trip on Earth while SGC sent specialists to use his body to fix up Destiny in the meantime.

                        The one left out of the stasis pods isn't the one left out to die, he's the one who gets to decide which of the others he'd like to eat first. They wanted a 'darker' more edgy side to the show lol

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Railgun View Post
                          I don't know the power requirements of the stasis pods I'd assume it's not massive though. It might be worth trawling the transcripts to see if it's said anywhere.
                          What IS in the transcript is that the one person who stays out only has ship's power for two weeks of "minimal life support". Then either he/she dies, finds another source or kills everyone else on board by stealing energy from the amount needed to power the ship to the other side of the void.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Railgun View Post
                            Like I said before Eli would use the stones so he wouldn't be bored at all. He'd probably spend most of the trip on Earth while SGC sent specialists to use his body to fix up Destiny in the meantime.
                            With just two weeks life support? - You're making up your own stuff about the scrubbers not needing power to suit yourself and get away from the plots actual limitations. We've been told that its a 3 year jump and destiny needs every ounce of spare power to make it. Now suddenly you're finding not only enough power to keep a shuttle lit up but also for someone else to spend "most of the trip" repairing destiny? Are you serious?

                            Where is the power for the life support (that was stated on the show as being a problem due to power) going to come from? How is Elis body going to survive without clean air in order for SGC personnel to repair the ship? How are they going to get materials and supplies on board without enough power to dial either galaxy?

                            Sorry Railgun but those of you who insist he survives on the shuttle have some seriously flawed logic and it goes against the very grain of logic we've had explained to us on the show itself.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Quizziard View Post
                              What IS in the transcript is that the one person who stays out only has ship's power for two weeks of "minimal life support". Then either he/she dies, finds another source or kills everyone else on board by stealing energy from the amount needed to power the ship to the other side of the void.
                              Yes, This is talking about life support for Destiny NOT The shuttle! People stay alive in the shuttle when it is not docked with Destiny so it has it's own independent life support capability.

                              Originally posted by Energizer_Vs_ZPM View Post
                              With just two weeks life support? - You're making up your own stuff about the scrubbers not needing power to suit yourself and get away from the plots actual limitations. We've been told that its a 3 year jump and destiny needs every ounce of spare power to make it. Now suddenly you're finding not only enough power to keep a shuttle lit up but also for someone else to spend "most of the trip" repairing destiny? Are you serious?

                              Where is the power for the life support (that was stated on the show as being a problem due to power) going to come from? How is Elis body going to survive without clean air in order for SGC personnel to repair the ship? How are they going to get materials and supplies on board without enough power to dial either galaxy?

                              Sorry Railgun but those of you who insist he survives on the shuttle have some seriously flawed logic and it goes against the very grain of logic we've had explained to us on the show itself.
                              No, Honestly. I have a degree in Chemistry lol. With Lime at least it's a chemical reaction no need to blow any air in to make it work.

                              There would only ever be one body awake on Destiny, Eli's. By using the stones various experts can use his body put on the space suit and go where they like on Destiny. No extra power needed. Not saying they can bring anything on-board they can look at what is there and in some cases may be able to reconfigure things. For example bringing McKay he would have a better knowledge of Ancient systems and may be able to tweak something.

                              Orlin built a stargate out of a toaster so anything is possible with enough knowledge and a few bits and pieces.

                              Personally I think Eli probably waits it out for a year or so then makes a run on a seed ship so it can recharge and go back into FTL with a full tank of energy.
                              Last edited by Railgun; February 22, 2013, 08:30 AM.

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                                #45
                                They're not using lime for the filters though, they're using that stuff they found on Novus...

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