Stargate (1994) vs SG-1 : Continuity differences

[Amann]

well, lets put it this way, whoever owns the show is what makes it canon, not the creator or the writers. Is anything that has been Star Trek in the past 15 years not been canon simply because Roddenberry, the creator of Star Trek, is dead? No, it means its a continuation. And since MGM owns the rights to StarGate, what they say is canon, is canon. Just like Paramount says that whatever is star trek canon, is star trek canon.

[Bytor]

ahhhh, i get ya now.

[jenks]

I was explaining why the discussion with Daniel Jackson was pointless, not why the movie wasn't canon in that particular post

[Bytor]

How can I argue when you refuse to see reason? The series and movie are completely different in tone,
.

I agree with you overall Jenks but...... tone? the episode "The other guys" has a different tone than "Lost CIty" or "Be All My Sins Remembered" does that make them different Canon?

[Ilana]

I rewatched this movie last night and I have two questions and if these has been asked before then please bear with me as I can't find them.

The first was: from Daniel Jackson explaining that the symbols on the chevrons were constellations to the gateroom where everything was ready was a continuous scene. Did they know that they were constellations but only knew the 6 and were saying nothing to Jackson until he figured out that they were and was able to produce the 7th? I know this sounds confusing, but it was odd to me that they were fully prepared to dial out when he revealed the 7th chevron. I think it might have made more sense if there had been a set up sequence?

Does this make any sense?

Also, what do the creators of the movie dislike about the show (other than they were then barred from making sequels)??

[any_gopher]

Daniel Jackson and Jenks... I'd say the answer is between your explanations:


Yes, the tv series is in a separate canon from the movie. HOWEVER, it is possible to view the original movie within the scope of the series canon. All you do is ignore the aspects that contradict, and voila, you are viewing the canon version of the events.

[Anda]

I LOVE this movie!!YOU?

[jenks]

I see. You can't argue against my points, so the discussion must end, eh? If you can't argue against them, just admit it instead of pushing forward this we must be living in different realities nonsense.

How can I argue when you refuse to see reason? The series and movie are completely different in tone, the character of O'neill in the show is totally different from the one in the movie, and Devlin and Emmerich's established canon has been changed in the series, these are all facts that you deny.

As I've stated before, MGM also considers that the main canon. That is why they've denied Devlin and Emmerich from making sequels to the original movie.

MGM endorse the comics and even Infinity, Brad and Rob don't. Who is right? Neither. There is no MGM canon, canon is decided by the creative parties that contribute to the franchise. Devlin controls the movie canon, Brad & Rob oversee the series, DVD movies and Stargate: Worlds canon. The canon of the series and movie are different, that's a fact, and Rob and Brad don't have the creative control to retcon anything in the movie canon, all they can do is explain in the show how the basic story of the movie relates to the series canon, that is why they are separate.

[Daniel Jackson]

We might as well end this discussion here, as if you don't think the storyline, tone and characters changed then we're obviously living in different realities.

I see. You can't argue against my points, so the discussion must end, eh? If you can't argue against them, just admit it instead of pushing forward this we must be living in different realities nonsense.

Your argument probably should have probably ended after your first sentence: 'What I described is what I consider the main canon.' Because that's true, but that's all it is.

As I've stated before, MGM also considers that the main canon. That is why they've denied Devlin and Emmerich from making sequels to the original movie.

[jenks]

We might as well end this discussion here, as if you don't think the storyline, tone and characters changed then we're obviously living in different realities. Your argument probably should have probably ended after your first sentence: 'What I described is what I consider the main canon.' Because that's true, but that's all it is.

[Daniel Jackson]

What you've described is the Brad/Rob endorsed canon, there is no 'main canon'.

What I described is what I consider the main canon.

The movie was made by Devlin and Emmerich, they don't endorse the series and therefore the two canons are separate.

Wether they endorse SG-1 or not is irelavent. SG-1 picks up where the movie left off with the same characters, locations, and stories; therefore it is a canon continuation. Should there be sequels made to the original movie, there would be two official continuations. The original movie and it's two sequels would be one canon. The original movie, TV shows, and movies based on those shows would be another canon.

Brad and Rob don't accept the movie as canon, they've changed the events and characters, therefore in relation to the series, the movie is no more than a reference material, only loosely tied to the series.

What? Are you kidding me? "Children of the Gods" plays out as a direct sequel to the movie. Same characters, same locations. O'Neill comes back out of retirement, Daniel is still on Abydos with Sha're, and Ra is revealed to not have been the last of his species as ancient Abydonians had once thought. You're refusal to accept the movie as part of SG-1 is downright hysterical!

You can call the changed creative decisions all you want

Thanks, because that's exactly what they are.

but the fact is Brad and Rob don't control the movie canon so they're in no positions to make those decisions (neither are MGM)

Since when is MGM not in control? Devlin and Emmerich have been trying to make Stargate 2, but MGM has repeatedly denied them, because they consider SG-1 as the official continuation of the movie.

SG-1 was a re-imagined version of the movie if anything

I will agree that a lot was reimagined, but that doesn't mean it's not a continuation.

the storyline, tone and even characters have been changed massively, apart from the premise the two canons are nothing alike.

The storyline, tone, and characters did not change. The only thing of any significance that changed was Ra from being a man-like alien within a Human body to being a snake-like parasite who abandoned an alien host in favor of a Human host. All other changes have been cosmetic such as recasting, different sets, the Stargate chevrons glowing, Sha'uri to Sha're, and so on.

MGM considers the comics to be a direct continuation of the series, are they canon too?

Comics? What comics?

[jenks]

The main canon consists of...

Stargate (the movie)
SG-1 Seasons 1-7
SG-1 Seasons 8-10 / Atlantis Seasons 1-3
The Ark of Truth
Atlantis Seasons 4-5
Continuum (early SG:A Season 5)

The differences between the movie and TV show do not make them separate. Use your imagination and accept that creative changes were made to make the premise TV friendly.

What you've described is the Brad/Rob endorsed canon, there is no 'main canon'. The movie was made by Devlin and Emmerich, they don't endorse the series and therefore the two canons are separate. Brad and Rob don't accept the movie as canon, they've changed the events and characters, therefore in relation to the series, the movie is no more than a reference material, only loosely tied to the series. You can call the changed creative decisions all you want, but the fact is Brad and Rob don't control the movie canon so they're in no positions to make those decisions (neither are MGM), SG-1 was a re-imagined version of the movie if anything, the storyline, tone and even characters have been changed massively, apart from the premise the two canons are nothing alike.

MGM considers the show an official continuation of the movie as does everyone involved. You can call them separate all you want, but they aren't.

MGM considers the comics to be a direct continuation of the series, are they canon too?

[Daniel Jackson]

The two canons are separate, neither canon directly affects the other. In the movie canon the events of the series don't apply, and in the series the events of the movie only apply loosely.

The main canon consists of...

Stargate (the movie)
SG-1 Seasons 1-7
SG-1 Seasons 8-10 / Atlantis Seasons 1-3
The Ark of Truth
Atlantis Seasons 4-5
Continuum (early SG:A Season 5)

The differences between the movie and TV show do not make them separate. Use your imagination and accept that creative changes were made to make the premise TV friendly. MGM considers the show an official continuation of the movie as does everyone involved. You can call them separate all you want, but they aren't.

[Anda]

It's nice to think that all started from these movie!!!!!

[jenks]

The two canons are separate, neither canon directly affects the other. In the movie canon the events of the series don't apply, and in the series the events of the movie only apply loosely.