ummm about the fish did u guys SEE the fish??¿¿¿¿ because I cant tell (my t.v. has bad quality) because if u didn’t see the fish jack could just be kidding to try to cover up the fact that there are no fish (I like it when there are no fish hehe~~)
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Read some of the other posts now. Provoking a few more random thoughts:
Things I'm wondering about are what Jack meant when he said to Carter in the SGC: "You've got some packing to do.", maybe she's going on the Daedalus?
but all the shippers looked for was one kiss between our sam and jack. just one, maybe in the lab? AU sam and jack was nice, but still a brush off. shippers not happy
a possible explanation for the fish in the pond is that after seeing the tape Jack decided to buy some fish to put in the pond.
Not even going to get into the whole time paradoxes thing. I learned long ago that I lose the will to live shortly thereafter with this kind of plot, so I'm perfectly happy to just go with the flow and enjoy the episode as it unfurls without thinking too much. <g> I personally don't think there's any doubt that the team at the end are our SG1, the clues are there for me, so I'm happy enough to presume that all's well that end's well and we ended up more or less where we began.
And I've just been reminded by another poster of another moment that had me ROTFLing. Daniel's bemused, "What's with the....?" as he mimics Jack's silent hand commands.
Albion (who should go to bed now, seeing as it's 2.30 am, but has the urge to go watch this again...)Listen, we had General Ryan come on and do a little cameo for us, and he's a real live four star, one of the big guys. And I had to ask him point blank, because there's a certain irreverence that I bring to the character, and denseness, but while we were doing this scene, I just looked at him and said, "Do you have guys like me in...?" and he stopped me and said, "Yes, and worse, and you're doing a fine job, son."
Richard Dean Anderson
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Originally posted by Madeleine_WThe more I think about it the more I have to believe that the SG-1 we saw in the last two scenes are 'our' SG-1.
In the first loop they got something wrong, very slightly wrong, and it altered the timeline to a small degree - probably nothing changed between when Ra left with the gate and when the Langfords went digging in the 1920s. And then fromm the '20s there woul dhave been small changes rippling from everyone who 'should have been' involved with the Big Round Weird Artifact, until the '90s when the SGC 'should have' happenned.
All that came from just one event - the invisible PJ being spotted.
So what about the great big rebelion Daniel led at the end? People and Jaffa would have died, been injured, been in different places and led different sorts of lives as a direct result of that; and the genetic repercussions alone would mean that almost the entire world would have been peopled pretty differently by now. No way could Daniel's rebellion possibly succeed in restoring the timeline.
So the only way that the events we saw could possibly have led to the penultimate scene is if the Rebellion that Daniel spoke of in the movie was *always* kickstarted by him and SG-1. Daniel-in-the-past was just doing what had 'always' been done by him and the Alt-Teal'c, Alt-Jack and Alt-Sam.
Where the whole thing came from though, since in the end 'our' timeline is as it is without any of them recalling any of this, is just... a wrinkle in time. Just a funny little bubble of weirdness that floated into our continuum, threatened to bugger stuff up until a beautiful moebius loop righted everything, and then floated away leaving everything unchanged but for the fortuitous appearance of a ZPM.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
I might agree with you, since I tend to subscribe to the "you can't change history" approach to time travel (since your events are already accounted for), except that that doesn't seem to be the time travel approach favored by the people writing the show. They are taking the approach that you can change history. MOre, they seem to be taking the approach that you create multiverses by these actions--*and* the multiverse created remains "alive" even if you take steps to try to reverse things. That's whySpoiler:the Weir who went back 10,000 years didn't disappear the moment that the future changed, that is, Atlantis rose and no one drowned. If she didn't exist in a separate and now-fully existing timeline/multiverse, then the rising of Atlantis would have meant that she never went back in time and that would have caused the elderly Weir to not exist.
Since that is the case, there is no way to ever arrive back at exactly the same timeline (possibly if the AU team had gone back and *stopped* the original SG-1 from ever goiing back in the first place, but that's about it). Once SG-1 went back in time, you now have their effects on the multiverse, plus the effects of the AU team, which didn't exist until the time travel, plus the effects of "our" Daniel, who stays in the past. All of this has caused yet another timeline/multiverse to split off. It looks like ours? Luck of the draw.
And while it may look like ours, we only saw three minutes of the particular reality they are in at the end, so we don't really know if there are other differences than simply that Jack's lake now has fish (and, no, he *didn't* go out and buy any).
After all, it *can't* be "our" team going on to a new future, when "our" Daniel, like Sam Beckett, never came home! He stayed, lived out the rest of his life and died 5,000 years ago. (BTW, did it strike you that Daniel didn't seem particularly upset about the loss of his teammates and friends?)
I can't help but feel that it is more than a little slap at the show's fans: we got involved in the characters we've known for 8 years, and now they're gone. Just like that, with no goodbye and with no grand exit--it happens offscreen, after all. Why should we invest anything in the characters next season?
J."He's an amazing man. After everything he's done, he's still modest. Quite self-effacing actually. He even likes people to think he's not as smart as he is. Bottom line, he's an incredibly strong leader who's given more to this program than any man has given to anything I can imagine."
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Originally posted by DarkQuee1After all, it *can't* be "our" team going on to a new future, when "our" Daniel, like Sam Beckett, never came home! He stayed, lived out the rest of his life and died 5,000 years ago. (BTW, did it strike you that Daniel didn't seem particularly upset about the loss of his teammates and friends?)
Originally posted by DarkQuee1I can't help but feel that it is more than a little slap at the show's fans: we got involved in the characters we've known for 8 years, and now they're gone. Just like that, with no goodbye and with no grand exit--it happens offscreen, after all. Why should we invest anything in the characters next season?
Madeleine
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I liked this episode, but there was one thing that bugged me. Does anyone else think the idea of implanting a symbiote into a prisoner to gain information is an idea that should have been used before in the show? I mean, why spend days/months/etc. torturing someone when you can just implant them. For example, in season six's Abyss, Baal could have just implanted Jack to learn what he knew and saved himself some time. I guess torture just makes for better TV.
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Coulda, woulda, shoulda. I know. If you don't want to hear me whine, don't read below. Fair warning.
I waited 6 months for that?
I was not going to post anything on Moebius Part 1 because I wanted to see if Part 2 could bring it up. Obvously I was wrong. The producers could have done so much with this episode, it is a shame it was wasted. I was expecting this to be a sort of miniseries on its own. I was really geared up to see the rebellion and Ra getting is butt kicked off Earth. I mean what stopped him from coming back and destroying everything from orbit? He had to be pretty freaked out in order not to come back. Like what was said before, seeing some of the rebellion is something that was severely missing. There was still alot of stuff left out. In my opinion this should have been like 4 episodes long or longer.
I was really let down by this one. "The Lost City" was so much better. Hell, the Atlantis finale was leaps and bounds better than these two.
My suggestion: For the love of the franchise don't have S9. I would much rather see 3-4 Stargate miniseries per year rather than another season if it looks like S8. (Ok, I take that back for the most part the Reckoning/Threads arc owned). This year RDA "might" still be there because of a heavily reduced film schedule. The quality would be much better because they would have more money to spend it on better effects and such.
I know S9 won't kill the franchise, hell it might even improve, but what I am wondering is if it will even be recognizeable with all the "changes" that are supposed to take place.
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Originally posted by Buzz LightyearDaniel is starting to resemble Kenny from South Park.
"Oh no! They killed Daniel!"
So at the end they went fishing and it was 2 weeks earlier, but my question is, is Jacob still dead? Jack said you have some packing to do and so that means she just saw her new house. At the same time in the old timeline, Jacob told her he was dying... she then visited him and stuff, but in this episode, she just went fishing... So does that mean Jacob isn't dead or dying?
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Originally posted by Madeleine_WThe more I think about it the more I have to believe that the SG-1 we saw in the last two scenes are 'our' SG-1.
So what about the great big rebelion Daniel led at the end? People and Jaffa would have died, been injured, been in different places and led different sorts of lives as a direct result of that; and the genetic repercussions alone would mean that almost the entire world would have been peopled pretty differently by now. No way could Daniel's rebellion possibly succeed in restoring the timeline.
So the only way that the events we saw could possibly have led to the penultimate scene is if the Rebellion that Daniel spoke of in the movie was *always* kickstarted by him and SG-1. Daniel-in-the-past was just doing what had 'always' been done by him and the Alt-Teal'c, Alt-Jack and Alt-Sam.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
I like it cuz your explanation doesn't make my head explode, unlike some of the others.To Infinity And Beyond!
O'Neill: "Do we know this... shrub?"
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Originally posted by gatergirlIf you just shut off your brain it's not too badTo Infinity And Beyond!
O'Neill: "Do we know this... shrub?"
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Originally posted by retardboySo at the end they went fishing and it was 2 weeks earlier, but my question is, is Jacob still dead? Jack said you have some packing to do and so that means she just saw her new house. At the same time in the old timeline, Jacob told her he was dying... she then visited him and stuff, but in this episode, she just went fishing... So does that mean Jacob isn't dead or dying?
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I liked the concept of Moebius, but I feel like it was rushed and many scenes left out. I was hoping to see more action in Egypt, instead its left to our imagination.
I had this feeling of "rushed" with the last few episodes, feels like they were trying to cram too much story content into too little time. Moebius could of easily been a 3 part story, same with Reckoning.
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Originally posted by hibernateI liked the concept of Moebius, but I feel like it was rushed and many scenes left out. I was hoping to see more action in Egypt, instead its left to our imagination.
I had this feeling of "rushed" with the last few episodes, feels like they were trying to cram too much story content into too little time. Moebius could of easily been a 3 part story, same with Reckoning.
the simple fact is that the mystery of what happened in Egypt is still a mystery. all we know now is that sg-1 were involved.spook
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