Demons (308)

[Falcon Horus]

Gave me a little sweat but I still one with 6 minutes and 20 seconds

Lots of greens in this one. It shows I don't like the episode much, I guess.

[Alterus]

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<FONT SIZE=1>EPISODE NUMBER - 308</FONT>
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SG-1 finds a medieval Christian society terrorized by Sokar and the Unas, and is accused of being possessed by demons.

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Just what bible has Teal’c read, God spends most of it sending floods to destroy humanity, destroying cities with fire and murdering babies

[Falcon Horus]

Just what bible has Teal’c read, God spends most of it sending floods to destroy humanity, destroying cities with fire and murdering babies

Ssshhht.... that's blasphemy...

[BethHG]

5:14.

This was an okay episode. I found enjoyable though, because my husband and my oldest son were making jokes throughout the whole episode.

[Platschu]

3x08 Demons
The Nox clearning was reused again. A few new bushes and small trees have grown in the last 2 years.
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=ht...ba/3x08/02.jpg
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=ht...ba/3x08/01.jpg

[Falcon Horus]

3x08 Demons
The Nox clearning was reused again. A few new bushes and small trees have grown in the last 2 years.
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=ht...ba/3x08/02.jpg
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=ht...ba/3x08/01.jpg

The only good thing about that episode, I guess, is the re-use of that beautiful bit of landscape.

[Platschu]

As I watched it back it wasn't that bad. Probably one of the worst after Urgo in this season.

I loved that little alien animal on the tree when they discover the monastery. This Christian environment could have been a good connection to the future Arthur storyline...

But it was pretty weird when Daniel suggested that the Goa'uld must have used the gate in Antarctic to abduct this people. That is a huge plot hole, since theoratically the Goa'uld hasn't returned to Earth after the rebellion against Ra. Maybe we will hear more about in future SG spinoffs or fanfics.

[Falcon Horus]

I loved that little alien animal on the tree when they discover the monastery.

OH my goddess, yes... I loved that little alien. It's one of the few times that they made the effort to show us alien animal life in a detailed shot.

[Platschu]

And say goodbye to the budget after it...

This one has clearly readable English text on it:
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=ht...9x-3971/04.jpg
So I am not surprised that this episode felt a bit odd in the Stargate mythology. They should have used gods and people from the Ancient times. Imho.

[Falcon Horus]

And say goodbye to the budget after it...

This one has clearly readable English text on it:
http://csillagkapu.hu/kep.php?kep=ht...9x-3971/04.jpg
So I am not surprised that this episode felt a bit odd in the Stargate mythology. They should have used gods and people from the Ancient times. Imho.

Considering they never tried anything like that again, more or less proves they realized it wasn't going to work out with the whole gate-burying thing.

[Platschu]

Or we could have a proper SG story why the Goa'uld has never returned...

[Who Knows]

7.52

[Xaeden]

But it was pretty weird when Daniel suggested that the Goa'uld must have used the gate in Antarctic to abduct this people. That is a huge plot hole, since theoratically the Goa'uld hasn't returned to Earth after the rebellion against Ra. Maybe we will hear more about in future SG spinoffs or fanfics.

It isn't really a plot hole. The implication is that the gate was buried (presumably by ice) when Ra was on Earth and became unburied sometime after, allowing Sokar to come in and take humans away under Ra's nose after figuring out that he could dial Earth. (Even though Ra lost interest in trying to maintain control of Earth, it was still within his territorial sphere and he likely wouldn't have been happy with another Goa'uld establishing a base of power there.)

We also know that Aphophis discovered that a connection could be made after Ra left and sent a pair of serpent guards through. The writers gave us enough details to allow us to surmise that this happened after Sokar took people off the planet because those Jaffa died next to the gate and therefore likely weren't able to dial back out because the DHD had stopped working at that point. An early one-off Teal'c line explained that it was standard practice to send scouts through the gate. If those scouts didn't return, it was assumed that they died and thus they didn't bother to send more people through.

So, although not explicitly explained, the bits that the writers did give us paint a picture of a gate that was buried in ice until after Ra left, became unburied between the Ancient Egyptian and medieval periods, and was used by two different Goa'uld who were apparently the only ones who took the time to test Earth's gate address after thousands of years. One Goa'uld only cared to briefly harvest people to be used as slaves on worlds within his sphere of power and the other sent scouts through who never reported back so there was no follow-up.

We also know that Earth wasn't very important. It lacked key minerals and was only ever valuable because it was Ra's historical seat of power and because it was a source of slaves, but slaves had already been transported through the gate in such large numbers by the time Ra left that there was little need to continually take more off Earth. Sokar had a need for more at one point for reasons that we don't know, but other Goa'uld were abandoning human populations left and right when they became more trouble than they were worth.

Further, while for a period of time there the reason the Antarctica gate became unburied was assumed to be a result of the natural shifting of ice, the introduction of the Merlin storyline suggests that he may have been the one to unbury it, which made it possible for Sokar to later establish a connection. Again, there's not a line directly pointing to this, but it is sufficiently implied since we know that Merlin used the gate network and had a base of operations on Earth just prior to Sokar's intrusion.

If we get more official Stargate stories, a few more brief lines about it could be thrown around to confirm existing hints or reaffirm existing information that viewers might have missed, but this doesn't need to be told in explicit detail. Enough threads were given already for us to piece together a timeline, and that's really all that is needed. Nothing that we know has happened with it is interesting enough to warrant its own story and having a character who knows everything that happened sit down and explain all that in detail would be forced.

[Platschu]

Nice and detailed response, thank you.

Honestly I am not so sure that the writers / the producers even remember this episode or any part of the conversations at all. I was also thinking in my fan fiction thread (Milky Way 2020) that they should establish different eras of the Stargate history, so we could imagine different settings and where potential new spinoffs or fan fictions could start. Like Four Alliance era, Ancient infection era, pre-Atlantis leaving era, extinct/ascended Ancient era, pre-Goa'uld era, under Goa'uld era, after Goa'uld era, Camelot era etc. But this step needs some planning ahead in the SG lore and only BW/RCC/JG can do such major things.

[Falcon Horus]

That sounds suspiciously like a story book of stargate history.

Guidelines for the screen accurate and canon fanfic writers -- I'm not one of them cause in those scenarios my two favorite characters would never be used or heck date each other.