Announcement

**jdjunkie** · 16 July 2010, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by Aragon101 View Post

Oh god. SGA's last two seasons felt like they were finally trying to give us 'character relationships' but either not doing enough (in the case of Shep, Ronon) or too much (McKay, Keller). I actually think Teyla's story was the most believable but they alienated alot of "Sheyla" shippers with that. I recall hearing on the commentary that there was talk of making Teyla and Shep a confirmed ship, but Joe Mallozi "Put his foot down" and said no. There's been alot of talk about Joe M and Joe F's animosity due to Joe F's raw Alpha so i just get sad when i think of what could have happened.

It wasn't until the pet (McKay) needed a warm bosom to sidle up to that TPTB finally decided to actually confirm a relationship (in a record of less than a season too!) Then it was ALL about them and the way they so wubbed each other! *puke*

The only good thing was that there were alot less constipated looks and librarian outfits! Hell did you SEE the dress Keller was wearing in Brainstorm!? It was like Sam's from "Road not Taken"!

Argh. *headdesk*

And just for you KK,

An SG team armed with swords!

I never watched Atlantis. Posts like this show me I made the right decision.

I suppose it was to be expected that they would be ham-fisted with relationships on Atlantis, given that the pretty much the same writers were responsible for SG1 and SGA. Clearly, they never embarked on a learning curve. And from what I've heard about SGU, things haven't improved much even now ... sounds like they've taken TJ and Young where they always wanted to take Sam and Jack but were never brave enough to go there ...

**Aragon101** · 16 July 2010, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by jdjunkie View Post

I never watched Atlantis. Posts like this show me I made the right decision.

I suppose it was to be expected that they would be ham-fisted with relationships on Atlantis, given that the pretty much the same writers were responsible for SG1 and SGA. Clearly, they never embarked on a learning curve. And from what I've heard about SGU, things haven't improved much even now ... sounds like they've taken TJ and Young where they always wanted to take Sam and Jack but were never brave enough to go there ...

Season 1 was awesome. Season 2 started the downhill with Season 3 doing some interesting things.

Season 4 was spectacular for the show IMO because they really started to push the darker elements without losing the core aspect of SG. but then they did a 180 in Season 5 and the few 'dark' moments were just reset buttons or not touched upon properly.

They tried to show 'consequences' with "Inquisition" but that was just so horribly bad it's putting a bad taste in my mouth just thinking it. It was all a bunch of knee jerk reactions and you can tell from the ridiculous ways things play out. *cough, asurans!*

Season four started out great, had a headdesk worthy mid-seaosn, and continued with what it did well, fun stories that brought us the awesome team. (although the backhalf of season 4 wasn't as good as the first half, but we got the awesome Kindred Arc and OUTCAST! ^_^ )

The mid-season 4 was so bad i had to write an alternate ending to it. I just... i had to

SGA is fun and lighthearted and formulaic, if you go in knowing that, you'll have fun. But by Season 4 you'll either adore McKay or hate him. Personally i adored him but it's like eating frosting with no cake underneath

SGU is...well let's just not go there. There's a website out there that devotes quite a bit of time to SGU and if you're interested you can go there for some information (and a cheap laugh while you're at it)

**Frostfox** · 16 July 2010, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by jdjunkie View Post

Yes. Alt!Jack pointed up all the things I disliked about clown!Jack. I actually saw "my" Jack in Alt!Jack and I think I squeed quite a lot.

There were a lot of things I liked about Continuum. I loved seeing "our" team struggling the come to terms with life in the AU. But there wasn't enough of it! If I replay sections of the movie, it's those parts; the split-screen interviews; Daniel talking to himself! Cam visiting the farm. It irked me that all they allowed Sam to do was shop. and even then they had throw in an attempt at ship!! Says a lot about how some writers view her character, I'm sad to say.

Hm, but she's the girlie! Of course it's all about shopping. Predictable, much?

Originally posted by jdjunkie View Post

The scene after our Jack dies, the one with Sam and Cam, is obviously designed to be shippy but I can easily handwave that, thanks to chanting my "She'd be upset over any member of the team dying" (which has got me through a lot of shippy guff in the past, just substitute "dying" for "missing" "injured" etc etc). Interestingly, Daniel wasn't shown as being upset at all. He obviously didn't give a monkey's about the death of the closest thing to a best friend. But then, if they'd shown that, it would have diluted Sam's grief, so ... (reason 1,687 to be irked currently by the ship).

Because it's impossible for any love/affection/friendship between any other members of the team to be shown which might dim the glory of that moment of Sam/Jack.
Sad.

Originally posted by jdjunkie View Post

The awesomeness that was Cam cannot be overstated. My Cam love came gradually over the two seasons and movies but boy it's there in full-effect now.

OT: Yay Firefly ... double yay with bonus cherries on top for Supernatural. I've loved it since the first ep, although, oddly for me, not in a fannish sense. I just love the brotherly dynamic so much.

I grew to like Cam too, and BB also looked mighty fine in Continuum.

Originally posted by jckfan55 View Post

By the end I was thinking "spend more time writing and less time checking the forums!"

Oh yes, yes, indeed. This. Very much this.

Originally posted by jckfan55 View Post

True, if Mac and Jack were real, I'd never go for Jack. I'd either be annoyed or crushed by the sarcasm a lot of the time.

But from a purely physical perspective, I thought RDA got handsomer.

Yes, but I can always find things I wish had been done more, better, differently...

Yes, Cam was good in that scene. And I thought Sam's shock was well played. Whether you're a shipper or not seeing one of SG1 die before your eyes is going to affect you.

AT is always good, always gives her best, it's a shame TPTB waste her skills a lot of the time.

Originally posted by jdjunkie View Post

I never watched Atlantis. Posts like this show me I made the right decision.

I suppose it was to be expected that they would be ham-fisted with relationships on Atlantis, given that the pretty much the same writers were responsible for SG1 and SGA. Clearly, they never embarked on a learning curve. And from what I've heard about SGU, things haven't improved much even now ... sounds like they've taken TJ and Young where they always wanted to take Sam and Jack but were never brave enough to go there ...

There is a repeat pattern of poor relationships, S/J is just one of them. I've never watched Atlantis either, never appealed.

Originally posted by Khentkawes View Post

Yep, I would imagine this had something to do with it. Still, there are quite a few TV shows out there who have multiple writers and don't have such inconsistent characterizations. Maybe they just spent more time hashing some of these things out in the writing room. Or maybe the head writer has the final say on things. I don't know. But I definitely think that the idea of pleasing the fans is part of the problem. I can see that TPTB should respect the fans and even listen to them in certain situations... but with Stargate they took it way too far.

Trek writing seemed more cohesive, certainly in regard to characterisation.
Re the bolded; I don't think we will ever really know how much of an influence fans had with SG1, but I do think the advent of the internet and the easy availability of communication between fans, fan groups and TPTB will change TV more and more in the future.

Originally posted by Khentkawes View Post

I think I found MacGyver's personality more attractive than Jack's. Which is not to say that I don't like Jack as a character, because I do. Heck, for a long time he was my second favorite character in all of Stargate. But I found his sense of humor wearing on me the longer the series went on. A while after SG-1 ended, I saw an old episode or two of MacGyver and I had completely forgotten how different RDA was then, when he had to play a character who was all about intelligence and compassion (both of which are characteristics that Jack possessed, but were rarely shown or addressed... more often it was sarcastic quips mixed with his serious military side). So for some reason, his personality in MacGyver makes him more attractive to me than in Stargate. Plus I'm sure that the happy childhood memories of MacGyver don't hurt.

But yeah, the less said about the mullet, the better.

ROTFL! That's exactly what it is! You deserve green for that, it's such an awesomely perfect description of SG-1 (and even more appropriate for SGA, really). Oh, so funny.

EDIT to add: You know, I used to always re-read those "choose your own adventure" books until I'd tried out every possible ending and then pick the one I liked best. Which is pretty much the point of fanfic... it lets the fans try out all kinds of different things that they didn't see on the screen. Probably not the best way to write a TV series though: "Oh well, so this ship didn't work... let's try another one!" Though now I really want to re-write SG-1 as a choose your own adventure book.

And on the subject of Continuum... I didn't think it was bad. I actually rather enjoyed it as a fun, mostly pointless romp. I could have done with less dialogue for the real Jack (liked the alt!Jack better, although I was perfectly fine with only seeing him for the few scenes he had... anymore would have felt unnecessary to me). I actually really enjoyed the way Cameron, Sam, Daniel, and Teal'c all worked together. So yeah, it was enjoyable despite the overused time travel reset (which, at least made sense this time around, unlike Moebius where the time travel was so convoluted that it wasn't even worth trying to follow). There was only one part that felt like it was trying to be shippy to me, and that was when Mitchell put his hand on Sam's shoulder and gave her the little pep talk thing when they ended up in Antarctica and Sam was all upset over Jack's "death." But I can handle it because Cam was awesome at that moment. He was focused, compassionate, and making sure his team worked as a team to handle the crisis at hand. Which always makes me happy.

Yeah, completely unashamed Cameron lover here.

and I'll take any excuse I can to use that smilie.

I didn't think Continuum bad, just not outstanding, and part of the problem for me was the old AU thing, so over used by Stargate.

Originally posted by Aragon101 View Post

Season 1 was awesome. Season 2 started the downhill with Season 3 doing some interesting things.

Season 4 was spectacular for the show IMO because they really started to push the darker elements without losing the core aspect of SG. but then they did a 180 in Season 5 and the few 'dark' moments were just reset buttons or not touched upon properly.

They tried to show 'consequences' with "Inquisition" but that was just so horribly bad it's putting a bad taste in my mouth just thinking it. It was all a bunch of knee jerk reactions and you can tell from the ridiculous ways things play out. *cough, asurans!*

Season four started out great, had a headdesk worthy mid-seaosn, and continued with what it did well, fun stories that brought us the awesome team. (although the backhalf of season 4 wasn't as good as the first half, but we got the awesome Kindred Arc and OUTCAST! ^_^ )

The mid-season 4 was so bad i had to write an alternate ending to it. I just... i had to

SGA is fun and lighthearted and formulaic, if you go in knowing that, you'll have fun. But by Season 4 you'll either adore McKay or hate him. Personally i adored him but it's like eating frosting with no cake underneath

SGU is...well let's just not go there. There's a website out there that devotes quite a bit of time to SGU and if you're interested you can go there for some information (and a cheap laugh while you're at it)

Something I love about fandom, you didn't like season four, so you wrote your own ending. I love that creativity, across the board, across fandoms and fan groups. We aren't passive consumers, we participate, share and add to the shows. Again, the advent of the internet has helped this; when I first started in fandom (you don't want to know how long ago but we were listening to Glam Rock and wearing flares) we kept in touch via letterzines, apas and paper fanzines. It was so much harder to meet like minded fans.

FF

**Khentkawes** · 16 July 2010, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by Aragon101 View Post

And just for you KK,

An SG team armed with swords!

Awww... awesomeness.

Thanks for indulging my inner Cam fan.

You gotta admit, he has some cool smilies.

Or maybe it's just because I think swords are cool. I'm having fun visualizing an SG team armed with swords. Unfortunately, I keep picturing them getting shot by Jaffa staff weapons, but hey, at least they look cool.

Originally posted by jdjunkie View Post

The scene after our Jack dies, the one with Sam and Cam, is obviously designed to be shippy but I can easily handwave that, thanks to chanting my "She'd be upset over any member of the team dying" (which has got me through a lot of shippy guff in the past, just substitute "dying" for "missing" "injured" etc etc). Interestingly, Daniel wasn't shown as being upset at all. He obviously didn't give a monkey's about the death of the closest thing to a best friend. But then, if they'd shown that, it would have diluted Sam's grief, so ... (reason 1,687 to be irked currently by the ship).

Well, that's the interesting part really, because Daniel apparently did care. He ran over to Jack at the same time that Sam did. So apparently they both care. But once they leave, go through the wormhole, end up in the hold of a frozen ship, and realize that they might very well freeze to death quite soon, Sam is still (apparently) thinking about Jack while Daniel has moved into work mode and is looking for a way out. Viewers can either see that scene as Daniel instantly forgetting about Jack because he didn't care, or as him simply putting that on the back burner while he focuses on the problem at hand. Meanwhile, Sam is either much more deeply affected than Daniel is by Jack's "death" or her emotions are interfering with her ability to do her job. Either way, all things are not equal. So yeah, I would like to read it as Sam being upset by a teammate's "death," but it doesn't quite work for me. Unless you chock it up to her being a girl and thereby being more emotional than Daniel because he's a guy. Which is, all in all, not a terribly flattering interpretation either (and way too gender-stereotyped for me to be comfortable with).

So yeah. That's why I just focus on Cam instead.

Thinking about it any other way makes me cringe a bit.

Originally posted by jdjunkie View Post

The awesomeness that was Cam cannot be overstated. My Cam love came gradually over the two seasons and movies but boy it's there in full-effect now.

Yay, for Cam love.

It took me a little while to warm up to him, but by the mid-season finale of season 9, I was hooked. Sometimes the characters I love the most are the ones that it takes me a while to really "get." It can be more rewarding if I have to actually think about the character for a while before I can understand or relate to them.

**LoneStar1836** · 16 July 2010, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by Khentkawes View Post

Lol. Yeah, I do think that TJ/Young is an interesting counter-point to S/J. Maybe I'm just a cynic about relationships, but I really do prefer seeing this disastrous relationship on SGU than the sappier, less complicated version they tried to give us with S/J (or even McKay/Keller, if we're comparing other relationships on Stargate). So I'm glad they're going down a completely different road on SGU and think it's a good move writing-wise. Of course, if TPTB somehow have TJ and Young miraculously working things out and playing happy families by the end of the series, I'll eat my words.

As much as I hate to admit it, I don't mind this umm, ship either. (Though I'm totally bleh on the other main one.) I hope Young dies at the end of the show.

I'm evil that way.

Originally posted by Frostfox View Post

Good looking, charismatic, and, no, not an age thing. But he doesn't make me weak at the knees either.

Me either. But he's still good lookin. Though RAD's almost old enough to be my dad (who's 5 yrs older).

Jack was generally my favorite on the show until he devolved into dumbJack.

I enjoyed AU Jack in Continuum as well.

I was a big fan of MacGyver, but I was also like 7 yrs old when the show premiered in '85, but I never missed an ep.

The fact that RDA was on SG-1 was initially a big draw for me when I discovered the show when its 2nd season went into syndication.

I started watching Supernatural, seen half way through the first season, don't yet get what all the fuss is about, chalk it up as another TV show which doesn't engage me.
I really am a poor media fan, I still haven't found the time or energy to watch Firefly or BSG, both of which have pedigrees which pretty much guarantee that I will enjoy them.
On holiday next week, I'll drop Firefly into the suitcase, I can watch it if it rains all week and I run out of books.

I love Supernatural.

The first season is mostly a bunch of monster of the week stories, but it does set up the relationship between the brothers, which is my favorite aspect of the show along with the underlying theme of them battling their inner demons. The first season gets better with the final three episodes and the second season is much better, imo. I only picked up the show last year when I bought the first four seasons after some people on here kept suggesting it. You certainly don't have to worry about shipping on Supernatural.

I love love love Firefly as well as BSG.

And for the sake of topic I reaffirm my sever dislike of S/J ship.

It was painful to watch, and was a disservice to both characters, as well as poor Pete. I liked Pete. Heck I even liked Sam/Pete, but as soon as he was introduced, I knew his part on the show would end badly. But SMORE is the only true ship!!!

(I still contend that Thor did not off himself in that travesty of a finale.)

**Frostfox** · 17 July 2010, 04:01 AM

Originally posted by Khentkawes View Post

Awww... awesomeness.

Thanks for indulging my inner Cam fan.

You gotta admit, he has some cool smilies.

Or maybe it's just because I think swords are cool. I'm having fun visualizing an SG team armed with swords. Unfortunately, I keep picturing them getting shot by Jaffa staff weapons, but hey, at least they look cool.

My sword is all rusty! Haven't cleaned it in years, I was a Viking in a reenactment group in the early 80's, well one of the Valkyries. We had a lot of fun. I don't have much of the kit left, a couple of mead horns, some leather work and the sword.

Originally posted by Khentkawes View Post

Well, that's the interesting part really, because Daniel apparently did care. He ran over to Jack at the same time that Sam did. So apparently they both care. But once they leave, go through the wormhole, end up in the hold of a frozen ship, and realize that they might very well freeze to death quite soon, Sam is still (apparently) thinking about Jack while Daniel has moved into work mode and is looking for a way out. Viewers can either see that scene as Daniel instantly forgetting about Jack because he didn't care, or as him simply putting that on the back burner while he focuses on the problem at hand. Meanwhile, Sam is either much more deeply affected than Daniel is by Jack's "death" or her emotions are interfering with her ability to do her job. Either way, all things are not equal. So yeah, I would like to read it as Sam being upset by a teammate's "death," but it doesn't quite work for me. Unless you chock it up to her being a girl and thereby being more emotional than Daniel because he's a guy. Which is, all in all, not a terribly flattering interpretation either (and way too gender-stereotyped for me to be comfortable with).

TPTB writing S/J badly? To the detriment of another character's relationship with one of them? To the detriment of the Team? Surely not!
The sad old pattern repeats itself, and part of the reason I don't rate Continuum that highly.

Originally posted by Khentkawes View Post

So yeah. That's why I just focus on Cam instead.

Thinking about it any other way makes me cringe a bit.

Yay, for Cam love.

It took me a little while to warm up to him, but by the mid-season finale of season 9, I was hooked. Sometimes the characters I love the most are the ones that it takes me a while to really "get." It can be more rewarding if I have to actually think about the character for a while before I can understand or relate to them.

Originally posted by LoneStar1836 View Post

As much as I hate to admit it, I don't mind this umm, ship either. (Though I'm totally bleh on the other main one.) I hope Young dies at the end of the show.

I'm evil that way.

Me either. But he's still good lookin. Though RAD's almost old enough to be my dad (who's 5 yrs older).

Jack was generally my favorite on the show until he devolved into dumbJack.

I enjoyed AU Jack in Continuum as well.

I was a big fan of MacGyver, but I was also like 7 yrs old when the show premiered in '85, but I never missed an ep.

The fact that RDA was on SG-1 was initially a big draw for me when I discovered the show when its 2nd season went into syndication.

I love Supernatural.

The first season is mostly a bunch of monster of the week stories, but it does set up the relationship between the brothers, which is my favorite aspect of the show along with the underlying theme of them battling their inner demons. The first season gets better with the final three episodes and the second season is much better, imo. I only picked up the show last year when I bought the first four seasons after some people on here kept suggesting it. You certainly don't have to worry about shipping on Supernatural.

I love love love Firefly as well as BSG.

I'll keep going to the end of the first season of Supernatural, if I get more into it, I can buy the second. Think the first season only cost me about a fiver, I'm willing to gamble that much on a show.

Originally posted by LoneStar1836 View Post

And for the sake of topic I reaffirm my sever dislike of S/J ship.

It was painful to watch, and was a disservice to both characters, as well as poor Pete. I liked Pete. Heck I even liked Sam/Pete, but as soon as he was introduced, I knew his part on the show would end badly. But SMORE is the only true ship!!!

(I still contend that Thor did not off himself in that travesty of a finale.)

I wasn't much interested in Pete, but it was nice, and very telling, to see Sam in a normal, healthy relationship, rather than the S/J train wreck.

SMORE for the win, of course.

Right, must close the iBook and go pack the car, off on holiday for a week, posting will depend on the hotel's wifi.

FF

**jckfan55** · 17 July 2010, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by Khentkawes View Post

Well, that's the interesting part really, because Daniel apparently did care. He ran over to Jack at the same time that Sam did. So apparently they both care. But once they leave, go through the wormhole, end up in the hold of a frozen ship, and realize that they might very well freeze to death quite soon, Sam is still (apparently) thinking about Jack while Daniel has moved into work mode and is looking for a way out. Viewers can either see that scene as Daniel instantly forgetting about Jack because he didn't care, or as him simply putting that on the back burner while he focuses on the problem at hand. Meanwhile, Sam is either much more deeply affected than Daniel is by Jack's "death" or her emotions are interfering with her ability to do her job. Either way, all things are not equal. So yeah, I would like to read it as Sam being upset by a teammate's "death," but it doesn't quite work for me. Unless you chock it up to her being a girl and thereby being more emotional than Daniel because he's a guy. Which is, all in all, not a terribly flattering interpretation either (and way too gender-stereotyped for me to be comfortable with).

Hmm, I'll have to (someday) go back and watch that. I don't think Daniel has been known for his unemotional reactions in the past, so that supports your case. Still, I try to put on my anti-ship blinders whenever I can.

And they probably decided not to allot much screen time to the reactions to Jack's death, so Sam got the moment. And they probably thought it was a good moment to show Cam as leader.

**Khentkawes** · 17 July 2010, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by jckfan55 View Post

Hmm, I'll have to (someday) go back and watch that. I don't think Daniel has been known for his unemotional reactions in the past, so that supports your case. Still, I try to put on my anti-ship blinders whenever I can.

And they probably decided not to allot much screen time to the reactions to Jack's death, so Sam got the moment.

Yep, that was probably the rationale from the writers. And perhaps they figured they should throw a bone to the shippers, without making a big scene of it... although that does go back to our discussion about catering to the fans, but still... that's what it felt like to me.

Originally posted by jckfan55 View Post

And they probably thought it was a good moment to show Cam as leader.

But personally, I'm going to keep seeing this angle. Because it makes me happier.

**Frostfox** · 18 July 2010, 02:49 AM

Originally posted by jckfan55 View Post

Hmm, I'll have to (someday) go back and watch that. I don't think Daniel has been known for his unemotional reactions in the past, so that supports your case. Still, I try to put on my anti-ship blinders whenever I can.

And they probably decided not to allot much screen time to the reactions to Jack's death, so Sam got the moment. And they probably thought it was a good moment to show Cam as leader.

It's a problem with TV as a whole, not just SG1, emotions have to fall into neat little boxes and one character at a time, please. I know the reasons, time constraints, because showing emotional responses are never as interesting as big explosions, audience attentions spans. Obviously, showing Sam reacting to Jack's demise absolves the writers from showing any of the other characters reacting.
Formulaic stuff, and no bearing on reality.

Originally posted by Khentkawes View Post

Yep, that was probably the rationale from the writers. And perhaps they figured they should throw a bone to the shippers, without making a big scene of it... although that does go back to our discussion about catering to the fans, but still... that's what it felt like to me.

But personally, I'm going to keep seeing this angle. Because it makes me happier.

Teasing the 'shippers is a hobby of TPTB, one which doesn't impress me at all.

FF

**discodiva** · 18 July 2010, 06:35 AM

Hijacking the thread quickly to say to Frostfox....

HAPPY BIRTHDAY OLD BEAN!!

Am now off to your other favourite thread to post a certain favourite picture in your honour...hope the card got to you ok too...

Deeds xx

**Frostfox** · 18 July 2010, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by discodiva View Post

Hijacking the thread quickly to say to Frostfox....

HAPPY BIRTHDAY OLD BEAN!!

Am now off to your other favourite thread to post a certain favourite picture in your honour...hope the card got to you ok too...

Deeds xx

Card got to me! 'Fridge magnet on 'fridge, can't imagine why that would make you think of me!
In Wales for over 24 hours and not felt the urge to kill her yet, must be some kind of record.

OT - Sam/Jack, still pants.

x FF

**discodiva** · 18 July 2010, 08:06 AM

Originally posted by Frostfox View Post

Card got to me! 'Fridge magnet on 'fridge, can't imagine why that would make you think of me!
In Wales for over 24 hours and not felt the urge to kill her yet, must be some kind of record.

*giggles*.....indeed....

OT - Sam/Jack, still pants.

x FF

Double Pants with a cherry on top!...

**Frostfox** · 05 August 2010, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by discodiva View Post

But again it all boils down to the "relationship" aspect.....contrary to popular belief I DO believe that there are good ones out there....hard to find for me, true, but they are there.....I think that the relationship between Zoe and Wash - a married couple working and fighting together - in Firefly was awesome.....I cried buckets at the end of Serenity

Spoiler:

simply stunning stuff - everyone should watch Firefly and Serenity at least 10 times in their life!...THAT's how to write a loving, believable and wonderful relationship on screen imho....

Deeds xx

Spoilered as mostly OT about Firefly.

Spoiler:

Joss et al could give our lovely TPTB a lesson or two on convincing relationships, and it didn't take them a decade or more to do it.

FF

**discodiva** · 05 August 2010, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by Frostfox View Post

Spoilered as mostly OT about Firefly.

Spoiler:

Joss et al could give our lovely TPTB a lesson or two on convincing relationships, and it didn't take them a decade or more to do it.

FF

Perfect summing up of this most excellent and cut-short-too-soon series......I knew you'd appreciate and love it...

Oh and to keep on topic - Sam/Jack - still a pile of mawkish cack - imho of course!..

Nice to see you back

Deeds xx

**Frostfox** · 05 August 2010, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by discodiva View Post

Perfect summing up of this most excellent and cut-short-too-soon series......I knew you'd appreciate and love it...

Oh and to keep on topic - Sam/Jack - still a pile of mawkish cack - imho of course!..

Nice to see you back

Deeds xx

Thank you, honey, and trust me to get into a show 8+ years after it finished.

Inara compared to Sam is the interesting thing.
Inara is a professional woman (in all the meanings of the word

) attracted to an inappropriate man. He flummoxes her, flusters her and brings her to tears but even so, Firefly's PTB treat her with more dignity and realism than Sam was shown. Which is a bit telling on the comparative complexities and subtleties of how relationships are handled on the two shows.
I should watch Battlestar next, as my gut instinct tells me that TPTB think they have a bit of Roslin/Adama going on with Sam/Jack. Snicker. Only in their wildest dreams.

FF

Announcement

Jack O'Neill/ Sam Carter - Part of a team, not a ship

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment

Comment