Jack O'Neill/ Sam Carter - Part of a team, not a ship

[jdjunkie]

Snortle. You, jd, are a Bad Woman (tm).

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I try.

I was ok with the fishing password, as it could be seen as just an Sg1 joke. Though it would have been more fun if it was something like Schrodinger. ... or Narim4evr.

Love it! Or Thorroolz or sleepsucks or iluvscience ... or PetenMe

[Frostfox]

I was ok with the fishing password, as it could be seen as just an Sg1 joke. Though it would have been more fun if it was something like Schrodinger. ... or Narim4evr.

Snortle! Though I never understood Sam giving up her cat, just wouldn't happen, you do wonder if the writers have ever had a pet.

I try.



Love it! Or Thorroolz or sleepsucks or iluvscience ... or PetenMe

Thorroolz for the win.

But they couldn't do that, it had to be something special, something showing how wonderful and magical Sam and Sir is.
Ah, TPTB, how clever you are! Fishing. Proof positive, yet again that your favourite star-crossed couple are Very Important, how can any real SG1 fan argue with that?

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[discodiva]

Sam/Thor = Smor = OTP - there used to be a great thread on here somewhere....our own beloved Seshat contributed some wonderful artwork for such a perfect meeting of minds....


I am currently in Vancouver, having beaten Icelandic volcanoes, BA Strikes and other henious events perpetrated to stop me travelling.....Here there is no talk of ship and I am having a wonderful time....I have my husband (my OTP4EVA), good friends, food and wine and, as I have great pleasure in repeating frequently, NO SHIP!!....

Life is good....


Deeds xx

[Frostfox]

Sam/Thor = Smor = OTP - there used to be a great thread on here somewhere....our own beloved Seshat contributed some wonderful artwork for such a perfect meeting of minds....


I am currently in Vancouver, having beaten Icelandic volcanoes, BA Strikes and other henious events perpetrated to stop me travelling.....Here there is no talk of ship and I am having a wonderful time....I have my husband (my OTP4EVA), good friends, food and wine and, as I have great pleasure in repeating frequently, NO SHIP!!....

Life is good....


Deeds xx

Have fun, Deeds, don't do anything I wouldn't do and give Mr Deeds a big hug.
Sam/Thor = win, after all, he got away with touching her bum, the little scamp.

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[jdjunkie]

Have fun, Deeds, don't do anything I wouldn't do and give Mr Deeds a big hug.
Sam/Thor = win, after all, he got away with touching her bum, the little scamp.

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Sam/Thor is definitely a meeting of minds.

They have so much in common (alien-ness notwithstanding) and could find so much to talk about ... unlike a certain other couple we could mention....

[Frostfox]

Sam/Thor is definitely a meeting of minds.

They have so much in common (alien-ness notwithstanding) and could find so much to talk about ... unlike a certain other couple we could mention....

Eh, it comes to summat when your character has more chemistry with a muppet than with the supposed love of their life!

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[jdjunkie]

Eh, it comes to summat when your character has more chemistry with a muppet than with the supposed love of their life!

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Sam had more chemistry with her laptop/particle beam acelerator/lab bench than she did with the supposed love of her life, who in turn had more chemistry with his fishing rod/outdoor barbecue/boonie hat ...

[Frostfox]

Sam had more chemistry with her laptop/particle beam acelerator/lab bench than she did with the supposed love of her life, who in turn had more chemistry with his fishing rod/outdoor barbecue/boonie hat ...

But RDA and AT have a really nice chemistry, not romantic in the slightest, thank heavens, adultery is never pretty, but clearly very good friends. You actually have to be working quite hard to wreak that. But they did; as soon as the awful romance stopped being subtle and became in your face and forced, the chemistry flies out the window and we get uncomfortable, stilted acting and constipated looks. Why on earth some of TPTB (and I know it wasn't a universal failing) thought that this was a realistic and appealing depiction of two of their lead characters, I'll never know.

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[jckfan55]

^very true. Some PTB took that fun chemistry of the 2 actors and decided to play it up--only they mucked it up.

[Frostfox]

^very true. Some PTB took that fun chemistry of the 2 actors and decided to play it up--only they mucked it up.

And for no good reason. SG1 and, indeed Sam/Jack were no stronger, in no way enhanced by a forced attempt at a relationship, which had been bobbling along, quite nicely, for several seasons, without the need for melodrama or forced characterisation. But, sadly, some had to push their agenda, and suck all the life out of it, leaving behind a sad mess. Oh, well, SG1 has been over for a couple of years now, no changing what was done.

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[Aragon101]

And for no good reason. SG1 and, indeed Sam/Jack were no stronger, in no way enhanced by a forced attempt at a relationship, which had been bobbling along, quite nicely, for several seasons, without the need for melodrama or forced characterisation. But, sadly, some had to push their agenda, and suck all the life out of it, leaving behind a sad mess. Oh, well, SG1 has been over for a couple of years now, no changing what was done.

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I think Sam/Jack friendship is awesome because they're so different, that the fact that they can bounce off one another with things like fishing, Jack's sarcasm, Sam's attempts to explain technobabble to Jack, was very amusing and it was quite clear they enjoyed each others "friendship"

Once it got into romance though, it's like both started making compromises that didn't make sense, or NOT making compromises that DO make sense.

not sure if i'm being understood, but basically when it's pure friendship, it's funny and sweet. Like when Carter explains the VR trainer to Jack and Jack just replied. "Carter, all i understood was "Matrix" and i found those movies terribly confusing." and Sam just smiles and chuckles because she expected a quip like that. That's friendship, no hinting of UST or the OTP to end them all.

Yet how do we get from easy going friendship like that to the cringe worthy BBQ scene in "Threads" with Sam falling to pieces (including her conversation on teh phone with Jack)

The friendship/Teamship was awesome, it shows that they're both mature enough to work with each other without falling back on "primal" instincts. Yet, time and again, that whole "shippy tinklyness" kept on creeping in which just soured the friendship.

It became an elephant in the room that just couldn't be ignored. Up until Divide and Conquer IMO, it was just a loud color tie with a dark suit. Okay it stands out a bit, but it's nothing that ruins teh ensemble.

Argh, my brain is clay right now, i hope i was understood.

[Frostfox]

I think Sam/Jack friendship is awesome because they're so different, that the fact that they can bounce off one another with things like fishing, Jack's sarcasm, Sam's attempts to explain technobabble to Jack, was very amusing and it was quite clear they enjoyed each others "friendship"

Once it got into romance though, it's like both started making compromises that didn't make sense, or NOT making compromises that DO make sense.

not sure if i'm being understood, but basically when it's pure friendship, it's funny and sweet. Like when Carter explains the VR trainer to Jack and Jack just replied. "Carter, all i understood was "Matrix" and i found those movies terribly confusing." and Sam just smiles and chuckles because she expected a quip like that. That's friendship, no hinting of UST or the OTP to end them all.

Yet how do we get from easy going friendship like that to the cringe worthy BBQ scene in "Threads" with Sam falling to pieces (including her conversation on teh phone with Jack)

The friendship/Teamship was awesome, it shows that they're both mature enough to work with each other without falling back on "primal" instincts. Yet, time and again, that whole "shippy tinklyness" kept on creeping in which just soured the friendship.

It became an elephant in the room that just couldn't be ignored. Up until Divide and Conquer IMO, it was just a loud color tie with a dark suit. Okay it stands out a bit, but it's nothing that ruins teh ensemble.

Argh, my brain is clay right now, i hope i was understood.

Yes, oh yes.
Part of why I get so ticked off at TPTB is that they spoiled Sam and Jack's friendship for me, tainted it with the droppings of said elephant, to the point where all their interactions were overshadowed by the unwelcome, odoriferous, pachyderm.

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[jdjunkie]

The friendship/Teamship was awesome, it shows that they're both mature enough to work with each other without falling back on "primal" instincts. Yet, time and again, that whole "shippy tinklyness" kept on creeping in which just soured the friendship.

It became an elephant in the room that just couldn't be ignored. Up until Divide and Conquer IMO, it was just a loud color tie with a dark suit. Okay it stands out a bit, but it's nothing that ruins teh ensemble.

Ah, Divide and Conquer. It became not so much an elephant as a stampeding herd. All the subtlety of a very large brick. It was awful. Embarrassing, actually. Poor Jack had to be reminded about those feeeeelings he'd buried so damned deep he couldn't actually remember them until prompted by Sam. Hee. The ep wasn't a total waste though. Some nice Jack and Janet moments, some funny stuff with Anise and Jack and some glorious Jack and Daniel to make up for the sub-prime pseudo romance nonsense.

Oh. and lest there's any mistake: He cared about all of them more than he should. Yes?

Yes, oh yes.
Part of why I get so ticked off at TPTB is that they spoiled Sam and Jack's friendship for me, tainted it with the droppings of said elephant, to the point where all their interactions were overshadowed by the unwelcome, odoriferous, pachyderm.

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My, my, who's been eating her dictionary then?

[jckfan55]

Oh. and lest there's any mistake: He cared about all of them more than he should. Yes?

Jack was pretty worked up in Nemesis when Teal'c ran out of air. Was that true love?

[Frostfox]

Ah, Divide and Conquer. It became not so much an elephant as a stampeding herd. All the subtlety of a very large brick. It was awful. Embarrassing, actually. Poor Jack had to be reminded about those feeeeelings he'd buried so damned deep he couldn't actually remember them until prompted by Sam. Hee. The ep wasn't a total waste though. Some nice Jack and Janet moments, some funny stuff with Anise and Jack and some glorious Jack and Daniel to make up for the sub-prime pseudo romance nonsense.

I haven't watched it for years, I didn't think it was a very good episode, and not only due to the Sam and Sir melodrama. It was the start of the slipper slope of removing all Sam/AT's plot lines, leaving only her attempt at romance with Jack. Sad.
And I liked Martuf.

Oh. and lest there's any mistake: He cared about all of them more than he should. Yes?

Ah, but in case it ever slips your mind, TPTB will spend the next 8 years rubbing your nose in the fact that his love for Sam is special. Much more special than anything he shares with anyone else. Insert tinkly music here, just in case anyone misses their point.

My, my, who's been eating her dictionary then?

Jack was pretty worked up in Nemesis when Teal'c ran out of air. Was that true love?

Ah, no, it didn't come with tinkly piano music, close ups of Teal'c huge, swooning, eyes or a tub of Vaseline on the lens.
So, no not true love which moves the stars.

Just good old fashioned camaraderie and team friend ship. Nothing important.

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