Jack O'Neill/ Sam Carter - Part of a team, not a ship

[jckfan55]

[discodiva]

Spoilers for Stargate Universe, from today's TVGuide Q&A (I've only included the relevant portion - it is on-topic):

Spoiler:

http://www.tvguide.com/News/MegaBuzz...U-1006743.aspx

LOL! I honestly don't care - I have no intention of watching SGU anyway. But they just can't resist stringing the shippers along, can they?

Oh great...so they can ruin another episode in another series like they did with the debacle that was Heroes Pt. 2....watched that today and didn't realise how much I hated that awful scene between Sam'n'Sir in the infirmary.....*shudders*......did a complete disservice to what should have been a hard-hitting and amazingly emotional episode....


Deeds xx

[Frostfox]

Spoilers for Stargate Universe, from today's TVGuide Q&A (I've only included the relevant portion - it is on-topic):

Spoiler:

http://www.tvguide.com/News/MegaBuzz...U-1006743.aspx

LOL! I honestly don't care - I have no intention of watching SGU anyway. But they just can't resist stringing the shippers along, can they?

Spoiler:

Ah, TPTB leading the J/S fans round by the nose again. That must get old, if you are a fan of the pairing.
Doesn't say much about their faith in SGU either, if they think they need the to drag out the stinking corpse of their dead horse again.

FF

[jdjunkie]

Re: SGU spoilers:

Spoiler:

I seriously doubt the veracity of this particular snippet of nonsense. I thought the whole thinking behind SGU was that it was new, fresh, different (perhaps not even Stargate at all!). Why in the whole wide world of why would they flog this dead horse on the all-new flagship? Doesn't make sense to me. I'll happily take this with the grain of salt it deserves, until I see it with my own eyes. And then I can fanwank it to my heart's content!

[Frostfox]

Re: SGU spoilers:

Spoiler:

I seriously doubt the veracity of this particular snippet of nonsense. I thought the whole thinking behind SGU was that it was new, fresh, different (perhaps not even Stargate at all!). Why in the whole wide world of why would they flog this dead horse on the all-new flagship? Doesn't make sense to me. I'll happily take this with the grain of salt it deserves, until I see it with my own eyes. And then I can fanwank it to my heart's content!

Spoiler:

As I said, they are teasing the 'shippers again, they did it before with that cut scene in Atlantis, they will no doubt do it again. It seems to be a sport amongst TPTB. If I was a fan of the pairing, I wouldn't believe a thing I was told until I saw it with my own two eyes.

And people think its hyperbole when I say that I don't want TPTB to touch my favourite pairing with a ten foot pole!

FF

[jdjunkie]

And people think its hyperbole when I say that I don't want TPTB to touch my favourite pairing with a ten foot pole!FF

You know, it always makes me smile when some S/J shippers throw the "But your pairing isn't canon and never will be" thing at me (which happens with monotonous regularity) because, hello, yes, not only do I KNOW that and rather like it, but it means the writers cannot make the dog's breakfast of it that they did with Sam/Jack.

Just one of the many small things in life to be grateful for.

[Frostfox]

You know, it always makes me smile when some S/J shippers throw the "But your pairing isn't canon and never will be" thing at me (which happens with monotonous regularity) because, hello, yes, not only do I KNOW that and rather like it, but it means the writers cannot make the dog's breakfast of it that they did with Sam/Jack.

Just one of the many small things in life to be grateful for.

It does confuse people, and it's not just S/J fans I'm talking about, when I tell them my pairing isn't canon and I have no need for it to ever be canon.
Slashing involves an entirely different subversive reading of text and that's half the fun of it! If it was canon, if it was easy, it wouldn't be as much fun.

FF

[Frostfox]

FF

[Callista]

^is that from the episode where Jack went warp 10 and then evolved into a slug and then kidnapped Sam and evolved her into a slug, too but evolved Jack got confused and kissed a piece of cheese instead?

Oh, wait.

Thas was Voyager.

[Snotr]

at the pic, Frostfox - and at your comment, Callista. Very funny

[Snotr]

You know, it always makes me smile when some S/J shippers throw the "But your pairing isn't canon and never will be" thing at me (which happens with monotonous regularity) because, hello, yes, not only do I KNOW that and rather like it, but it means the writers cannot make the dog's breakfast of it that they did with Sam/Jack.

Just one of the many small things in life to be grateful for.

Of course, Sam/Jack isn't canon in this universe either - and I'm thankful for it...

[Khentkawes]

^is that from the episode where Jack went warp 10 and then evolved into a slug and then kidnapped Sam and evolved her into a slug, too but evolved Jack got confused and kissed a piece of cheese instead?

Oh, wait.

Thas was Voyager.

You confused me for a second. I was like "wait, that was Tom on Voyager." And then I remembered that I wanted to consciously block that episode out of my memory. *shudders* Although it's the kind of thing that I could see happening with S/J.

Watched part of Secrets the other day. There's some lovely Sam and Jack friendship-only moments in there.

Except that Jack calls her "Sam" twice in one scene. Which irritates me to no end. It just doesn't seem very military or very professional to me. But maybe that's just me. *shrug*

[Frostfox]

^is that from the episode where Jack went warp 10 and then evolved into a slug and then kidnapped Sam and evolved her into a slug, too but evolved Jack got confused and kissed a piece of cheese instead?

Oh, wait.

Thas was Voyager.

Couldn't watch Voyager. Good premise but too shallow, I was a DS9 Girl, through and through.

Of course, Sam/Jack isn't canon in this universe either - and I'm thankful for it...

Sam is

Spoiler:

flying a new spaceship?

and Jack's in Washington, hardly a happy ever after. More like two separate careers.
How many years since the end of season 8? Three, four? If they can't get their act together by now? What kind of 'relationship' is that? Well, we all know what a damp squib it's been from the start, so going out with a whimper is in keeping.

You confused me for a second. I was like "wait, that was Tom on Voyager." And then I remembered that I wanted to consciously block that episode out of my memory. *shudders* Although it's the kind of thing that I could see happening with S/J.

Watched part of Secrets the other day. There's some lovely Sam and Jack friendship-only moments in there.

Except that Jack calls her "Sam" twice in one scene. Which irritates me to no end. It just doesn't seem very military or very professional to me. But maybe that's just me. *shrug*

Secrets is a good episode, I can't remember it in great detail, perhaps I should re-watch it (rare weekend at home coming up, first for six weeks and I think my next one is in the middle of August).

FF

[Khentkawes]

Sam is

Spoiler:

flying a new spaceship?

and Jack's in Washington, hardly a happy ever after. More like two separate careers.
How many years since the end of season 8? Three, four? If they can't get their act together by now? What kind of 'relationship' is that? Well, we all know what a damp squib it's been from the start, so going out with a whimper is in keeping.

Ah, yes, but since we're getting a Jack-centric third movie, and he's hardly been in the franchise in the past four years, apparently now is the time to revive dead plotlines... *ahem* I meant "revisit old fan-favorites." So what if the ship has sailed (metaphorically speaking ). It's fiction, right? We can just pretend that no time has passed and nothing has changed. It'll make for a great movie.

Please excuse the sarcasm. It seems to be incurable disease that I've contracted.

[Frostfox]

Ah, yes, but since we're getting a Jack-centric third movie, and he's hardly been in the franchise in the past four years, apparently now is the time to revive dead plotlines... *ahem* I meant "revisit old fan-favorites." So what if the ship has sailed (metaphorically speaking ). It's fiction, right? We can just pretend that no time has passed and nothing has changed. It'll make for a great movie.

Please excuse the sarcasm. It seems to be incurable disease that I've contracted.

Loved Jack.
The Jack and Daniel buddy stuff made the series for me and the Jack and Team likewise.
RDA is charismatic and fun to watch in in good shape.

But it's over, past, you can't preserve SG1 in amber. It changed, everything does. Sam no longer makes stupid feminist rants and can effectively run her own command. Daniel cut his hair and became a soldier. Teal'c grew hair and freed the Jaffa. Cam happened. Vala happened. Jack became a desk jocky in Washington, not for a few brief months before retiring to fish at his pond, but for several years.
SG1 as it was in seasons one to eight is over.

I'm worried that the third film will be a laughing stock with general fans outside of us SG1 fanatics if TPTB try to loose all the changes made. Personally, I found Shatner/Ford/Willis/Arnie to look ridiculous when they were still trying to be action heroes in their 50's and 60's. Actors don't have 'sell by' dates, many get better as they get older (see Shatner in Boston Legal as an example) but [i]characters[i] have sell by dates; they should change to reflect the age of the person playing them.

There are a whole raft of newer fans who don't care about S/J, never have done, they joined the show in later seasons, older fans have forgotten about it, moved on to other fandoms, they might come back for a third film, but whatever meager impetus S/J had has stalled and been lost by the length of time between the end of season eight and the third film. And the longer they leave it, the sillier it will seem if they re-visit it. Who is going to care about a four/five year old plot thread by the time the third film is released?

FF