Jack O'Neill/ Sam Carter - Part of a team, not a ship

[Liv]

Liiiiv.....we neeeeeed your braaaaaaiiiiiinnnnnnn. Commmmmmmee clooooooooserrrrrr!

Arrgh, zombies! *flees*

I'm resisting watching Firefly, not because I don't think I will like it but because I think I will and I will be annoyed by it's cancellation. I have it on DVD and will get round to watching it.

Give in and watch. Seriously, your heart may break but it will be worth it.

Liked B5, but Sheridan/Delenn didn't really interest me (I adored Londo, K'Gar, Garibaldi and Susan Ivanova - non of whom were characters defined by their romances).

I love G'Kar and Ivanova so, so much! Talk about strong characters!

My favourite relationship (apart from the deeply strange Bashir/Garak) was Sisko/Cassidy which was just so believable despite all it's hiccoughs, Joseph, Jennifer, Jake, arguments, arrests, ascension (I believe Sisko, Daniel and Cordelia, in Angel, were all ascended at about the same time, there's an interesting plot bunny for you).

Ha, I was just gonna bring up Garak myself! Ah, those early days when they had their lunch dates and such. I agree about Sisko/Cassidy; felt very real. And... it seems like everyone's ascending on shows these days.

Haven't forgiven Who for Eccleston leaving. Sulks.

Didn't CT ask to leave? Well, either way it sucks when you get attached to a character and you don't get to keep them on screen. I haven't seen any of the old series of Dr Who and the first episodes I watched were with David Tennant and I just adored him right from the start, so he IS the Doctor to me. But he's leaving soon, so yeah, will miss him greatly.

Never 'got' Farscape, perhaps I need to watch it all in order from the beginning?

Farscape CAN certainly be a bit... weird at times but it's worth watching for the John/Aeryn relationship (says the non-shipper), but yeah, they got me hook, line and sinker with that one. And there's other good stuff too. I don't know which episodes you watched, but I'd say try the pilot and then maybe skip to Nerve/The Hidden Memory, cause those are the episodes that got me (along with the season 2 finale Die Me, Dichotomy).

Jeez, yet another post without any non Sam/Jack mention.

No to Sam/Jack! No to Sam/Jack! No to Sam/Jack! Don't want it ever! Never ever ever! Ever!

There, that should do it.

[Frostfox]

Lol. Yeah, that would help. I can't guarantee that you will "get" Farscape. Some people don't, and that's just the way it is with that show. However, if you don't watch it in order, your chances of "getting" it rapidly decrease to about... um, zero? Or maybe 1 in 50. Lol. Seriously, I can't fathom watching it out of order.

I was hesitant with Farscape and became a total convert, so I'm always happy to encourage others to give it a shot. But I do think you have to watch it in order. Typically, if you watch the entire first season in order, and still find it boring by the end of season 1, then it's just not for you. When I got to "Family Ties" (the season 1 finale) I knew that I was hooked and that this show was worth my time. But it took watching all of season 1 to get there. *shrug* It's definitely a commitment, and not for the faint of heart.

Part of the problem is that I so seldom sit down to watch TV.
I have Firefly and season 1 of BSG, I've had them for about 2 years now and never got round to watching them. I can't remember the last time I sat down and watched an episode of SG1.

And to make this post on-topic instead of just an argument for why Farscape rocks... I think Farscape and SG-1 are interesting when taken in comparison to one another. Because the ship in Farscape is much more obvious. You can't ignore it... at least, not past the middle of season 2. And yet, somehow it doesn't bother me nearly as much.

Part of it has to do with the way they handled the cast. I felt that Ben and Claudia were clearly put forth as "the leads" in Farscape. Whereas I never got that feeling with SG-1. Sure, technically RDA was "the lead" for seasons 1-8 (with varying levels of success, since he didn't really act like a lead in seasons 6-8 IMO). But at least to me, the other three always felt like they were of equal status. In Farscape, there's a kind of assumption that it's Ben and Claudia, and then everyone else. Except that it's not. For all the ship and all the emphasis on John and Aeryn, it feels like everyone gets plenty of material and plenty of time to shine (I've found a lot of 'Scapers insist on calling the show an "ensemble" to emphasize the importance of all the characters). And (after Family Ties, at least) there is sort of "team" feel (dysfunctional team, but still team ). For instance, I don't feel like the relationship between John and Aeryn ever interfered with D'argo and John's friendship. Or Aeryn's relationship with Pilot. Whereas in SG-1, I felt like the ship served to distance Sam and Jack from Teal'c and Daniel. And oddly enough, it seems to me that Sam and Daniel's friendship suffered the most from the ship.

So, IMO, Farscape had more overt ship than in SG-1, but it was less detrimental to the "team/family" feeling, and it did not overshadow the other character's relationships with each other. Again, all my personal opinion. But for me, that's part of the reason why I accept Farscape ship, but not S/J on SG-1. Of course, they are very different shows, and you could argue that Farscape was more focused on character relationships. So that might make a difference as well.

Lots of it is down to the writing; I might have 'bought' S/J if I found it in any way plausible but they failed to convince me of it in any way so it just abraded me or threw me out of the show in a really dissonant way.

Arrgh, zombies! *flees*

Give in and watch. Seriously, your heart may break but it will be worth it.

I love G'Kar and Ivanova so, so much! Talk about strong characters!

Ha, I was just gonna bring up Garak myself! Ah, those early days when they had their lunch dates and such. I agree about Sisko/Cassidy; felt very real. And... it seems like everyone's ascending on shows these days.

Garak - most interesting character in Trek? Certainly the most nuanced, subtle, grey, would love to see him meet Spock. Also, the most quotable character.
'The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination'
The relationship between the ethical doctor and the torturer turned tailor fascinated me.

Didn't CT ask to leave? Well, either way it sucks when you get attached to a character and you don't get to keep them on screen. I haven't seen any of the old series of Dr Who and the first episodes I watched were with David Tennant and I just adored him right from the start, so he IS the Doctor to me. But he's leaving soon, so yeah, will miss him greatly.

I hadn't watched Who since the 70's (grew up with Pertwee and Zoe and Bessie and UNIT and all that jazz) but Eccleston had me right from the first scene. Tennant is very good but Eccleston was so dark so raw, I loved it.

Farscape CAN certainly be a bit... weird at times but it's worth watching for the John/Aeryn relationship (says the non-shipper), but yeah, they got me hook, line and sinker with that one. And there's other good stuff too. I don't know which episodes you watched, but I'd say try the pilot and then maybe skip to Nerve/The Hidden Memory, cause those are the episodes that got me (along with the season 2 finale Die Me, Dichotomy).

Jeez, yet another post without any non Sam/Jack mention.

No to Sam/Jack! No to Sam/Jack! No to Sam/Jack! Don't want it ever! Never ever ever! Ever!

There, that should do it.

Look, you've scared the Shippy Hound of Lurve again, bad Liv.

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[Frostfox]

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[Callista]

Just as long as they're not playing Beethoven, I think I can handle it!

[Frostfox]

Just as long as they're not playing Beethoven, I think I can handle it!

Well, it's the only way they will get me to watch.

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[Coela Bellatore]

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You just compared SG-1 Movie 3 to A ClockWork Orange.

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I love it!

[discodiva]

That Frostox is a Bad, Bad Woman (tm) ......





And I adore her!!.......




Deeds xx *giggling all the way to the shower*....

[Frostfox]

That Frostox is a Bad, Bad Woman (tm) ......





And I adore her!!.......




Deeds xx *giggling all the way to the shower*....

I aim to please. Well, actually, I'm aiming at our beloved dead horse, but it's such an easy target...


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[Frostfox]

I have such a LOL cat addiction, blame it on the watermelon.

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[Killdeer]

That's a beautiful cat btw - I love cats.

[discodiva]

Poor soul.....it's the cooking sherry again you know....



Deeds xx

[Frostfox]

That's a beautiful cat btw - I love cats.

Oh, I'm famously a Mad Cat Woman on LJ. Though, I expected me to be the Mad one, not the cat.

Poor soul.....it's the cooking sherry again you know....

Deeds xx

Who? Me or the LOL cat?
I'll have you know I'm sober as a judge (recovering from the bottle of malbec I drank last night )

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[Coela Bellatore]

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I'll have you know I'm sober as a judge

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Meaning your not sober at all.

[Frostfox]

Meaning your not sober at all.

A minor hair of the c/a/t dog!



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[Khentkawes]

^^ LOL! I love the squinty-eyed, tongue-sticking-out cat. Too funny/cute.