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**Gate gal** · 10 August 2006, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by ReganX

That's one of the things I really love about Sam's character, she defied the stereotypes.

She was extremely intelligent and a brilliant scientist without being either a geek or arrogant about her achievements. Sam has, among other things, successfully integrated the stargate with human technology, saved the planet from being sucked through a black hole, figured out how to neutralize the technology of invading aliens, blew up a sun and flew an asteroid through Earth, but when was the last time we heard her go on about what she had accomplished? When was the last time she bragged about having saved everybody on the planet several times over?

As characters go, Sam is an amazing creation; a soldier, a scientist, a leader, and a hero as well as being a loyal and devoted friend and a person who, I for one, have enjoyed getting to know through the show.

Yay! Post 3,500!

Excellent post! I agree 100 percent! I love the way Sam was written originally, but I don't think she would have ever really come to life without Amanda's dedication to detail.

On the dues topic, does laughing at the late night jokes count as paying my dues? If so, I'm very well caught up! You guys are a riot!

**Mandysg1** · 10 August 2006, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by Gate gal

Excellent post! I agree 100 percent! I love the way Sam was written originally, but I don't think she would have ever really come to life without Amanda's dedication to detail.

On the dues topic, does laughing at the late night jokes count as paying my dues? If so, I'm very well caught up! You guys are a riot!

Consider yourself all paid up

**ForeverSg1** · 10 August 2006, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by Carterslave

Call me obtuse (and, Heaven knows, I'm no great fan of S8-10) but even the supposedly calamitous numbers for S10 represent a greater number of households tuning in than for S6 & S7. Also, as more households get cable, the ratings points themselves become diluted. No, I think # of households is the money number here (to say nothing of ancillary sales). What surprises me is that the show didn't take a bigger hit, on average, when RDA left (apparently taking .3 million households with him).

As for the almost half a million who have "ankled" between S9 and S10, maybe they're as bored with the Ori as I am. Maybe full-time Vala isn't getting it done for them. Maybe they got tired of waiting for the new formula to settle into place. Maybe none of the above. Who knows? But while S6 & S7 were clearly superior, IMO, as many as a million households appear to disagree.

P.S.: As relative as all this is, I see that no S8-10 episode has hit the Marianas Trench ratings depth plumbed by S7's Enemy Mine. Though we might be getting close ...

Yes, but what people also have to take into consideration is the fact that in S6 the series switched from Showtime to the SCI-FI network, so not only was on in a new time slot, it was also seen on a totally different channel. I have no clue if the ratings dropped at all during this time, because I didn't pay attention to ratings back in 2002 nor can I find any information regarding the ratings for S1-S5.

However, I do know that the SCI-FI network was launched in 1992 and I believe Farscape was added to its line-up on March 19th, 1999 after premiering on the USA network on March 14th, 1999. According to what I have read, the first two seasons of Farscape aired at on Friday night at 8 PM EST with repeats each Saturday at 2pm. In its third season, the network moved Farscape to it's new 9pm timeslot and during the course of its first three years, the Farscape series helped to nearly double the SCI-FI network’s core audience, experiencing a 40% jump in viewer ship between its first and third seasons ¾ with over 70% of those new viewers being women. So this leads me to believe that the SCI-FI network was still trying to built a core audience base during this time.

Then in the summer of 2002, the SCI-FI network picked up the Showtime original series, Stargate SG-1 in its 6th season and placed into the 9pm time slot, moving Farscape to a new 10pm timeslot opposite USA's Monk.

During the first nine weeks of season six the shows received the following ratings:

Stargate SG-1 - "Redemption - Part One"......1.8
Stargate SG-1 - "Redemption - Part Two"......1.7
Stargate SG-1 - "Descent"...........................1.4
Stargate SG-1 - "Frozen".............................1.7
Stargate SG-1 - "Nightwalkers"....................1.7
Stargate SG-1 - "Abyss"..............................1.5
Stargate SG-1 - "Shadow Play"....................1.5
Stargate SG-1 - "The Other Guys"................1.7
Stargate SG-1 - "Allegiance"........................1.9

Farscape - "Crichton Kicks"...............................1.6
Farscape - "Sacrifice".........................................1.3
Farscape - "Resurrection"...................................1.2
Farscape - "Lava's A Many Splendored Thing"...1.4
Farscape - "Promises"........................................1.1
Farscape - "Natural Election"..............................1.2
Farscape - "John Quixote"..................................1.1
Farscape - "I Shrink Therefore I Am"..................1.1
Farscape - "A Prefect Murder"............................1.2

During this time the average difference between SG-1 and Farscape was less than 400,000 viewers.

Seeing as I was not a viewer of Farscape during the time of its cancellation, I can only speculate as to why it was cancelled; however, I found this comment very interesting:

Farscape's head writer-producer David Kemper seemed to hint in a recent radio interview that this was a factor, saying, "We [the creators of the show] are responsible [. . .] for it being cancelled, in a wonderful way. We didn't want to make it boring and bland."

So what does all this boil down to? Well it means that while the amount of people watching SG-1 was much lower in S6 & S7 than it appears to be in S10, there were also much less people watching the SCI-FI network as a whole and Stargate’s ratings continued to increase dramatically over the next three years. Another thing I think people should take into consideration is the fact that Farscape’s timeslot was also changed during this time and they were also forced to compete with USA’s MONK which is basically what has happened to Stargate this season. The biggest differences I can see between what happened to Farscape and what is currently happening to Stargate is that the producers of Farscape refused to bend in order to appease the SCI-FI network. They knew who their target audience was and what had been successful for them and they choose to end the show rather than to turn it into something it wasn’t. Sadly, the boys at bridge have chosen a different path. They seem to have forgotten who their core demographic has been over the past decade and lost sight of what it was that made the show so successful in the first place. Some fans may be happy that the B@B went into an entirely different direction because they feel it allowed Stargate to continue for a few more seasons, but personally I really wish they chosen to end it leaving it the way it was because I would have rather it ended on a high note than slowly watching it drop in ratings and become a shadow of what it used to be.

**Melora** · 10 August 2006, 06:12 PM

Hey everyone!

Looks like spoilers for a new Season 10 episode are up. It's called "Bad Guys" and:

Spoiler:

Beware spoilers in both of these articles!

Here is the link to the article on GW:
http://www.gateworld.net/news/2006/0...fbadguys.shtml

There's also more detailed info on the episode at Solutions:
http://stargate-sg1-solutions.com/blog/?p=636

Spoiler:

**L.A. Doyle** · 10 August 2006, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by Melora

Hey everyone!

Looks like spoilers for a new Season 10 episode are up. It's called "Bad Guys" and:

Spoiler:

Beware spoilers in both of these articles!

Here is the link to the article on GW:
http://www.gateworld.net/news/2006/0...fbadguys.shtml

There's also more detailed info on the episode at Solutions:
http://stargate-sg1-solutions.com/blog/?p=636

Spoiler:

Thanks for the heads up.

Spoiler:

**SunKrux** · 10 August 2006, 06:24 PM

Let me start this by saying...WELL Thought out KAT!

Great post....but....read on.

Originally posted by ForeverSg1

<snipped by Sun>

Seeing as I was not a viewer of Farscape during the time of its cancellation, I can only speculate as to why it was cancelled; however, I found this comment very interesting:

Farscape's head writer-producer David Kemper seemed to hint in a recent radio interview that this was a factor, saying, "We [the creators of the show] are responsible [. . .] for it being cancelled, in a wonderful way. We didn't want to make it boring and bland."

That is part of the reason that FS was cancelled, but the bigger reason was that Vivendi/Universal (owned Scifi & USA at the time) and EMI (owned Jim Henson Productions at the time) were both hurting financially. EMI wanted more money from Vivedi/Universal for FS and V/U couldn't afford it and said no. The FS producers were given the option of a 13 eps S5, and they turned it down (probably for the reason David stated in that interview above that Kat mentions).

Just wanted to further clarify that FS wasn't cancelled for poor ratings (although supposedly it was a part...which I find funny considering that FS was SciFi's FLAG SHIP show when SciFi first started their own "original" shows.

)

As for what's happening with SG1 - seems to me the Boys@Bridge are caving cause they want to keep their jobs? Only they really know. Only they have to sleep with the knowledge that they are disappointing so many of their fans by caving and turning the show into something that most fans don't recognize or relate to anymore.

**Melora** · 10 August 2006, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by L.A. Doyle

Thanks for the heads up.

Spoiler:

Spoilers for "Bad Guys" and SGA's "McKay and Mrs. Miller":

Spoiler:

**L.A. Doyle** · 10 August 2006, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by SunKrux

Boys@Bridge

B@B=Boys@Bridge. D'oh! I always wondered what that meant!

Thanks.

**SunKrux** · 10 August 2006, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by L.A. Doyle

B@B=Boys@Bridge. D'oh! I always wondered what that meant!

Thanks.

Happy to help.

**Deejay435** · 10 August 2006, 06:44 PM

Originally posted by Mandysg1

LM, I have noticed something recently,

*Puts on white coat, picks up clip board, and uses best German accent I can muster*

Now LM, I’m not a doctor, but I’d like to play one on TV

I have a few questions for you. *Ahem*

1. Zo, how long have you been talking to yourself?
2. Do you find yourself answering yourself?
3. If yes, do you ever get into arguments? If zo, who vins?

Now for a little test.

When you dream, do you dream of
A.

Spoiler:

B.

Spoiler:

Or
C.

Spoiler:

Lol Mandy! Sorry I'm out of green for you, that made me laugh!

I want to see how many people pick B.

**Gate gal** · 10 August 2006, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by Melora

Hey everyone!

Looks like spoilers for a new Season 10 episode are up. It's called "Bad Guys" and:

Spoiler:

Beware spoilers in both of these articles!

Here is the link to the article on GW:
http://www.gateworld.net/news/2006/0...fbadguys.shtml

There's also more detailed info on the episode at Solutions:
http://stargate-sg1-solutions.com/blog/?p=636

Spoiler:

Remind me never to go to Stargate Solutions again!

Spoiler:

**Mandysg1** · 10 August 2006, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by Gate gal

Remind me never to go to Stargate Solutions again!

Spoiler:

Hey at least it gives you a warning of what not to watch that night

**ForeverSg1** · 10 August 2006, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by Melora

Spoilers for "Bad Guys" and SGA's "McKay and Mrs. Miller":

Spoiler:

Spoiler for Bad Guys...

Spoiler:

**Gate gal** · 10 August 2006, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by ForeverSg1

Spoiler for Bad Guys...

Spoiler:

O.K.

Spoiler:

**Melora** · 10 August 2006, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by ForeverSg1

Spoiler for Bad Guys...

Spoiler:

I think that's part of it too.

Spoiler:

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