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**Tittamiire** · 08 March 2010, 03:19 AM

Originally posted by Frostfox View Post

I'd say a good 80% of UK lamb is from NZ.

I buy Welsh lamb, from our local butcher, to support local industry and save on the air miles (only 25 miles to the Welsh border, how many thousands of miles to NZ from the UK?)

FF

When I visit the Isle of Man we have had lamb that has been frisking around in the field behind the house I stay in, slaughtered two miles down the road and then sold in the local butchers. When I visit my parents old farmhouse in France we can eat lamb and mutton that has not only been reared locally, but has been fed on the grass in my parents orchard (farmer gets free feed, my folks get a free grass cutting) or chickens from my aunt and uncles small holding. So I agree that Welsh lamb from the local butcher is brilliant

Originally posted by NZNeep View Post

Yep, airmiles from New Zealand is a big issue and it's awesome to buy local stuff. I love Titta's policy of buy local and if there isn't any, go for the most exotic

So happy right now, because a local farmers market just opened near my work.

Just be aware there is a difference between air miles and the total carbon dioxide produced to get food onto your plate. Quite a few NZ foods (lamb, apples and onions immediately spring to mind) actually produce less C02 when they are grown in NZ and imported than when they are grown in the UK. Weird, right? We have the resources and space to grow stuff in a relatively low carbon way. Some of our wines are carbon neutral even with transport factored in.

It's really interesting looking at the research and also how it is being reported in each country. Has anyone heard of the Lincoln research?

Yeah...interestingly Aussie and NZ wines in the UK actually have a smaller carbon footprint than French wines because of the differences in farming methods and because shipping something by boat is pretty energy efficient compared to driving it in a truck from the south of france (which is interesting, but academic because I don't drink either

). Most of the farming done near us has a very low carbon footprint too (mostly because the approach to farming is if it's flat put cows on it and if it's hilly put sheep on it. There's a lot of low quality land with sheep scattered loosely all over it trying to eat hikers packed lunches).

There's also the ethical element to it for me, which both British Lamb and NZ lamb fits. I know that neither have been intensively reared.

I have not heard of the Lincoln research, but I may need to go look it up.

**kusanagi** · 08 March 2010, 03:30 AM

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always love to hear stories about how sweet and everything amanda is! always makes me smile

And this is so sweet

**Skydiver** · 08 March 2010, 03:37 AM

i think i've had lamb twice in my life. and you can't get it around here except by special order from a butcher shop

our cliched sunday dinner would be chicken, beef roast or pork loin

**Chelle DB** · 08 March 2010, 04:17 AM

Originally posted by Skydiver View Post

i think i've had lamb twice in my life. and you can't get it around here except by special order from a butcher shop

our cliched sunday dinner would be chicken, beef roast or pork loin

Wow! I'm a little surprised at that....lamb is like the norm here...well lamb, beef, pork, chicken...and now kangaroo is becoming a hit! Gotta say, Aussies love their meat!

**Skydiver** · 08 March 2010, 06:58 AM

it's rare to see anyone running sheep, at least in Kansas. we're cattle predominantly, with some pork and then there are the chicken processing plants

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**TeylaIsCool85** · 08 March 2010, 07:28 AM

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**Celandine** · 08 March 2010, 07:34 AM

Originally posted by Skydiver View Post

i think i've had lamb twice in my life. and you can't get it around here except by special order from a butcher shop

our cliched sunday dinner would be chicken, beef roast or pork loin

I don't believe lamb has ever been very popular in the States. I grew up myself eating the three main meats: chicken, pork and beef. Turkey too if you'd want to count a fourth. I think it depends on ethnicity and where I live, it's a virtual melting pot. Hence why in the last few years, restaurants have popped up and the cuisine of the area has vastly improved. One of my favorite places to eat is a small Indian restaurant not to far away and the lamb there is amazing.

In the last few years as well, I'm supposing with the demands of the new restaurants popping up, lamb is more readily available in the grocery stores now. It depends entirely on the market though as to what cuts they carry and how much, but it's getting better. I still have no idea where the lamb is from though and never thought to ask. When your given the scantest amount of something you desire, your really not in a position to be picky.

When I was in Oxford, my friend and I went to Jamie Oliver's restaurant for a special treat. The lamb I had there was from Wales though, which was a first for me, and the mint sauce was amazing. It was an awesome dinner.

And to turn things back on topic, one thing is certain about Sam. I doubt very highly lamb of any sort was featured on her family's dinner table given where she grew up. I'd say she ate lots and lots of beef.

**rderoch** · 08 March 2010, 09:07 AM

Originally posted by Frostfox View Post

I'd say a good 80% of UK lamb is from NZ.

I buy Welsh lamb, from our local butcher, to support local industry and save on the air miles (only 25 miles to the Welsh border, how many thousands of miles to NZ from the UK?)

FF

But the UK is covered with sheep! Riding on the train the UK is similar to riding through the plains in the US. In the UK it's hedgerow...farm house...hedgerow...sheep...(repeat), here it's fence...cows...fence....farm house...(repeat)

Originally posted by Celandine View Post

I don't believe lamb has ever been very popular in the States. I grew up myself eating the three main meats: chicken, pork and beef. Turkey too if you'd want to count a fourth. I think it depends on ethnicity and where I live, it's a virtual melting pot. Hence why in the last few years, restaurants have popped up and the cuisine of the area has vastly improved. One of my favorite places to eat is a small Indian restaurant not to far away and the lamb there is amazing.

In the last few years as well, I'm supposing with the demands of the new restaurants popping up, lamb is more readily available in the grocery stores now. It depends entirely on the market though as to what cuts they carry and how much, but it's getting better. I still have no idea where the lamb is from though and never thought to ask. When your given the scantest amount of something you desire, your really not in a position to be picky.

When I was in Oxford, my friend and I went to Jamie Oliver's restaurant for a special treat. The lamb I had there was from Wales though, which was a first for me, and the mint sauce was amazing. It was an awesome dinner.

And to turn things back on topic, one thing is certain about Sam. I doubt very highly lamb of any sort was featured on her family's dinner table given where she grew up. I'd say she ate lots and lots of beef.

It's popular in SE Michigan. I've even bought ground lamb in my regular grocery store to make burgers. (very tasty with garlic, onions, and parsley) It's probably because we have a large population from eastern europe, the middle east and India. Greektown is a very popular place in Detroit. (Amanda's been there

) Gotta go there from time to time for some souvlaki and saganaki. (sp?)

**Skydiver** · 08 March 2010, 09:20 AM

beef, chicken, pork..i'd imagine that, given jacob's transfers (fanon but logical of the military) she'd have an eclectic taste. for example, in canada, poutin, fries with cheese and brown gravy, well down south we just have fried chicken sometimes with fries and cream gravy

and there's a couple of places around here that offer gravy for your fries with your hamburger or chicken strips

**Celandine** · 08 March 2010, 09:36 AM

Originally posted by rderoch View Post

It's popular in SE Michigan. I've even bought ground lamb in my regular grocery store to make burgers. (very tasty with garlic, onions, and parsley) It's probably because we have a large population from eastern europe, the middle east and India. Greektown is a very popular place in Detroit. (Amanda's been there

) Gotta go there from time to time for some souvlaki and saganaki. (sp?)

Seriously? That's awesome news then as it means it's (hopefully) spreading to other areas. I still wonder where the lamb comes from though because, as you say, it's very rare to see a sheep farm, at least in the Midwest or West for that matter. I don't doubt they exist, but beef has always been the meat of choice for us here.

Lamb burgers sound amazing, too. I'm gonna have to try them very soon as I have seen the ground lamb in the market.

Originally posted by Skydiver View Post

beef, chicken, pork..i'd imagine that, given jacob's transfers (fanon but logical of the military) she'd have an eclectic taste. for example, in canada, poutin, fries with cheese and brown gravy, well down south we just have fried chicken sometimes with fries and cream gravy

and there's a couple of places around here that offer gravy for your fries with your hamburger or chicken strips

Must be regional then. You'd be hard pressed to find a restaurant in the Chicago area that features cream gravy/curds with your fries, unless of course the restaurant is owned by a Cdn or is catering to a select clientele. Cheese or Chili fries has always been the mainstay in this area. Just saying.

**NZNeep** · 08 March 2010, 01:46 PM

Cel, remind me to take you to offbeat cafe for a lamb burger

**Rocky89** · 08 March 2010, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by Chelle DB View Post

Sorry to go all OT here but just wanted share a bit of my weekend at the Stargate 2010 event...so much to chat about but have to keep this quick as I'm of to spend some time with the family after having a blast in Melbourne for the past 3 days!

Spoiler:

So Pagan and I pre booked our tickets to the Gate to the Sanctuary event in December...we all can't wait to meet up again to meet Amanda, RyRo and Chuck...and possibly another guest!

Ok...going to quickly check out the thread then have a cuppa with hubby...is uber excited and extremely happy right now.

(((Samandans)))

Oh wow, that's pretty cool.

I love crazy weather, and I wish we saw more of that in Canada.

Btw,

Spoiler:

**Frostfox** · 08 March 2010, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by NZNeep View Post

Yep, airmiles from New Zealand is a big issue and it's awesome to buy local stuff. I love Titta's policy of buy local and if there isn't any, go for the most exotic

So happy right now, because a local farmers market just opened near my work.

Just be aware there is a difference between air miles and the total carbon dioxide produced to get food onto your plate. Quite a few NZ foods (lamb, apples and onions immediately spring to mind) actually produce less C02 when they are grown in NZ and imported than when they are grown in the UK. Weird, right? We have the resources and space to grow stuff in a relatively low carbon way. Some of our wines are carbon neutral even with transport factored in.

It's really interesting looking at the research and also how it is being reported in each country. Has anyone heard of the Lincoln research?

Air miles aside, it just seems daft for me to buy imported lamb when there is home grown so close.
Welsh salt marsh lamb, nothing sweeter.

Originally posted by kusanagi View Post

Really? I didn't know that. Maybe because I don't eat lamb and never pay attention

I like lamb, I make a mean lamb stew.

Originally posted by Tittamiire View Post

When I visit the Isle of Man we have had lamb that has been frisking around in the field behind the house I stay in, slaughtered two miles down the road and then sold in the local butchers. When I visit my parents old farmhouse in France we can eat lamb and mutton that has not only been reared locally, but has been fed on the grass in my parents orchard (farmer gets free feed, my folks get a free grass cutting) or chickens from my aunt and uncles small holding. So I agree that Welsh lamb from the local butcher is brilliant

Doesn't get any more local than that!

Yeah...interestingly Aussie and NZ wines in the UK actually have a smaller carbon footprint than French wines because of the differences in farming methods and because shipping something by boat is pretty energy efficient compared to driving it in a truck from the south of france (which is interesting, but academic because I don't drink either

). Most of the farming done near us has a very low carbon footprint too (mostly because the approach to farming is if it's flat put cows on it and if it's hilly put sheep on it. There's a lot of low quality land with sheep scattered loosely all over it trying to eat hikers packed lunches).

There's also the ethical element to it for me, which both British Lamb and NZ lamb fits. I know that neither have been intensively reared.

I have not heard of the Lincoln research, but I may need to go look it up.

S'okay, I will drink your share of red wine, no don't thank me, it's an honour to be of assistance.

Originally posted by Skydiver View Post

i think i've had lamb twice in my life. and you can't get it around here except by special order from a butcher shop

our cliched sunday dinner would be chicken, beef roast or pork loin

Blink. Wow. I know that lamb is unusual in some parts of the USA.
OT but true story.

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Originally posted by Chelle DB View Post

Wow! I'm a little surprised at that....lamb is like the norm here...well lamb, beef, pork, chicken...and now kangaroo is becoming a hit! Gotta say, Aussies love their meat!

I prefer fish, shell fish, white fish oily fish, I love it all.

I love fanfic with the various trials and tribulations of SG1's catering skills. It's cliché fic but I love it.

FF

**resurgamlaura** · 08 March 2010, 02:25 PM

Frostfox - have you casseroled lamb shanks before? Cooked with bacon and shallot, lovely veg of your choice on the side, mash if you like it. Scrumptious. I've yet to try my mum's leg of lamb method (complete with garlic cooked really under the skin), but its been memorised

Lamb sausages are also a lovely change from pork, and of course work really well with herbs.

My dad has his Boston counterparts over in London sometimes, and he's frequently commented that when taken out, many of them go straight for dishes involving lamb (slow cooked shanks or similar) or venison, either because they've never had it or they can only have it with ease in England. Pie and veg apparently gets devoured as well

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