Sam Carter/Amanda Tapping Discussion/Appreciation

[Chelle DB]

Ok...seems a bit quiet in here tonight...found Samanda on page 2...arghhh!
Night night everyone!! Take care, be safe, stay happy and in the words of a very wise and wonderful women - Amanda Tapping - of course - hug your loved ones!!
I'm not sure how to approach this but as we've been talking about TVM and such recently,

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I hadn't really been close to anyone involved in any sort of domestic violence or abuse...up until now that is. I don't know how to approach it. We have to be very careful about how to handle the situation atm..especially around the kids...it's confusing and frustrating to say the least. I'm very concerned and worried about this family member...but she wants to go back to him...it's just not right. We can see whats happening and as things stand currently, we can't do anything but let her know that we are there for her...and that doesn't feel like enough.
I feel useless...I wish she could see what it's doing to her and her family. I realize this is way OT but this just seemed like the right place at the time...I haven't told anyone about what's happened...only the very immediate family know whats going on...I hope that I can give her some helpful suggestions as to what she needs to do. Sorry bout the OT'ness! Thanks for lending an ear though!

(((Samanda)))

See you on Sunday night!!

[RepliCartertje]

(((Eve)))

I just saw the video - thanks so much for creating it! Yay for teamy goodness.

*goes to watch it again*

I am happy you like it...and you know if you want it on your computer...Pm me when you will be online or something like it or just say you are hopping and I'll send it to you...or maybe I upload it onto megaupload...just let me know what to do and I'll do it for you

I reackon the bedroom is at the front of the house to the left as you walk in and the bathroom is adjoining it...but I could be wrong!!

I also think she keeps Jack in the basement and baby Grace in the nursery upstairs...but that could just be my shippy little mind going into over drive here!!
But I could be right...right???

What Jack in the basement and why would he be in the basement...I mean I think he is more likely to be found in the bedroom or so

And Grace...sorry no Grace...not yet

[NZNeep]

Oh Chelle, big hugs for you and everyone involved. (((Chelle))) I can offer you my support, but no real advice... the closest I have come to being involved in anything like that is collecting money for the womens refuge... I can see how you could feel a bit useless... but you can offer your love and support...

[Skydiver]

if jack stays in the basement, there WILL be no grace.

[RepliCartertje]

if jack stays in the basement, there WILL be no grace.

Well that depends on what kind of basement you have I mean you can decorate your basement as you would want it to have

<splash> gutter is always so close

[NZNeep]

Hey, I lived in a basement for a year! And I can tell you it got plenty of...

wait, it got no action. At all. It's been that long!?!

[NZNeep]

Well that depends on what kind of basement you have I mean you can decorate your basement as you would want it to have

<splash> gutter is always so close

Splash indeed! The images in my mind right now! A lot better than when my mum asked to borrow my astronomical guide for her friends who "sit in their outdoor spa pool at night with nothing to do." Those images made me shudder.

Heh, no more off topicness from me. For now

[starrgazer]

Ok...seems a bit quiet in here tonight...found Samanda on page 2...arghhh!
Night night everyone!! Take care, be safe, stay happy and in the words of a very wise and wonderful women - Amanda Tapping - of course - hug your loved ones!!
I'm not sure how to approach this but as we've been talking about TVM and such recently,

Spoiler:

I hadn't really been close to anyone involved in any sort of domestic violence or abuse...up until now that is. I don't know how to approach it. We have to be very careful about how to handle the situation atm..especially around the kids...it's confusing and frustrating to say the least. I'm very concerned and worried about this family member...but she wants to go back to him...it's just not right. We can see whats happening and as things stand currently, we can't do anything but let her know that we are there for her...and that doesn't feel like enough.
I feel useless...I wish she could see what it's doing to her and her family. I realize this is way OT but this just seemed like the right place at the time...I haven't told anyone about what's happened...only the very immediate family know whats going on...I hope that I can give her some helpful suggestions as to what she needs to do. Sorry bout the OT'ness! Thanks for lending an ear though!

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Sometimes it's hard for them to step back and really see what they are going through. My Mum was like that. It took her 10 years to leave my father (ten years after the first time she threatened to leave him). And she still questions whether or not she made the right decision (seventeen years later...).

All you really can do is be there for them; hug them when they need it, listen to them, tell them they have a safe place with you and let them know they're loved. One day she'll realize that going back/staying is not the right thing to do, so, in the meantime, yeah... just be there for her.

Hugs to you chelle - if you need to talk, I'm here (((chelle))).

Starr

[ChevronSeven]

if jack stays in the basement, there WILL be no grace.

LOL!! So true. That's why he lives in her bedroom. The basement is the game room - pool table, air hockey, dart board. How else do you think Sam became such a pool shark?

[Tracy Jane]

I reackon the bedroom is at the front of the house to the left as you walk in and the bathroom is adjoining it...but I could be wrong!!

I also think she keeps Jack in the basement and baby Grace in the nursery upstairs...but that could just be my shippy little mind going into over drive here!!
But I could be right...right???

Oh my goodness! That's EXACTLY what I thought! I could have sworn that it was the front left door but thought that it was a weird place for a bedroom. Having said that, in my last place, my bedroom was the front left. Anyway, I watched Ascension and this is the floor plan that I got:

(Warning, it's not very good! Just knocked up in paint)

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Oddly,though... if you look at the positioning of Sam's bed in Ascension (I tried to get a screencap but my computer is playing up) and in Chimera, you can see it's been changed round.

[pixiesio]

Ok just my (tired) thoughts on Unending (yeahhh I finally watched it and thanks Pixiesio for not letting me go alone through that )

LOL! You're welcome, although I think I'll save everyone here from my full thoughts on the ep. I might put them on lj, but all I'll say here is that I'm still bothered by

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the scene where Daniel rants at Vala after she tries to instigate sex and then he does a complete 180 in attitude. I felt that coloured the rest of the ep for me and that's why I couldn't enjoy it.

Sio

[Tracy Jane]

LOL! You're welcome, although I think I'll save everyone here from my full thoughts on the ep. I might put them on lj, but all I'll say here is that I'm still bothered by

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the scene where Daniel rants at Vala after she tries to instigate sex and then he does a complete 180 in attitude. I felt that coloured the rest of the ep for me and that's why I couldn't enjoy it.

Sio

I think the (badly conveyed) idea behind that was that...

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Daniel DID have feelings for Vala, but he was so convinced that Vala was playing and didn't truly reciprocate those feelings, he was so scared of getting hurt, he built up all these defences.

I don't think Daniel was doing a 180, I just think that his defences came down and he realised that Vala wasn't just playing, that her feelings were genuine. I think he felt that way all along but built up these protective barriers to stop any potential toying with his emotions.

[ForeverSg1]

LOL! You're welcome, although I think I'll save everyone here from my full thoughts on the ep. I might put them on lj, but all I'll say here is that I'm still bothered by

Spoiler:

the scene where Daniel rants at Vala after she tries to instigate sex and then he does a complete 180 in attitude. I felt that coloured the rest of the ep for me and that's why I couldn't enjoy it.

Sio

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First off let me say that I'm not a Daniel and Vala shipper. Up until this episode, I never saw a hint of ship between them. This is not to say that I don't believe Daniel cared for Vala. I just never saw him as ever allowing himself to become too attached to her due to his own past and hers. I think in ways, Vala reminded Daniel too much of Sha're and Sarah and I think he was being extremely cautious of his own heart.

However, having said that, while I admit that Daniel's initial rant did come as quite a shock because I honestly didn't expect it. I really didn't feel Daniel was being overly harsh with Vala. If you look at things from Daniel's point of view, Vala has sexually harrassed him for two years. She kidnapped him on the ship and sexually assaulted him. She's made sexual comments and embarrased him in front of his friends and coworkers. In short, she's a drama queen who's used sex and flirting as a means to manipulate people and to get what she wanted.

IMHO, Daniel came to a point where had just had enough. I think he geniunely cared for Vala as a friend and like he said he had come to a point in his life where he really thought he could be in a relationship with someone again; however, while he may have been attracted to Vala, he also knew that she used sex as a means to gain control and manipulate situations and he didn't want to be manipulated on that level again. So when she kept thrusting herself upon him, he finally broke and tore into her. Because in his mind, I think he truly believed she was just toying with him yet again. He never honestly believed that she really cared for him. I think in his mind, he had just become her play thing to keep her amused and his past had been much too painful to allow himself to fall for someone like her.

But I think once he realized that she wasn't playing with him, all his defenses dropped and he was finally willing to give in. Honestly, this is probably the only way I could have imagined Daniel and Vala getting together. I thought the writers did an amazing job with the writing and Michael and Claudia were superb in their acting of the scene. For the first time in a very long time, I saw a real spark in Michael's performance and for me the scene was totally plausible.

...and just to stay on topic, I think Teal'c had become much more than a shoulder to cry on for Sam as well. I'm sure shippers may want to believe that she stayed faithful to Jack till the bitter end, but forty years is a very long time to go without companionship and I think Teal'c would have been the most realistic companion for Sam. She would need his strength and patience to keep her going and I can easily see their friendship becoming much more through the years.

[minigeek]

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I think Teal'c had become much more than a shoulder to cry on for Sam as well. I'm sure shippers may want to believe that she stayed faithful to Jack till the bitter end, but forty years is a very long time to go without companionship and I think Teal'c would have been the most realistic companion for Sam. She would need his strength and patience to keep her going and I can easily see their friendship becoming much more through the years.

I can too. But it makes me twitchy. *headsand*

If Kat doesn't mind me NAMEDROPPING here for a second, my new bestestest buddy Starrgazer and I talked about this for about two minutes over sushi last night. It just seems like one of those things that should forever remain (canon-ly) unspoken.

[pixiesio]

I think the (badly conveyed) idea behind that was that...

Spoiler:

Daniel DID have feelings for Vala, but he was so convinced that Vala was playing and didn't truly reciprocate those feelings, he was so scared of getting hurt, he built up all these defences.

I don't think Daniel was doing a 180, I just think that his defences came down and he realised that Vala wasn't just playing, that her feelings were genuine. I think he felt that way all along but built up these protective barriers to stop any potential toying with his emotions.

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Oh, and I'm sure that was there intent, but it was the way that they, yes, badly conveyed it. The things he said to her and how he said it jarred me and made me feel really bad for Vala. Then the writer/editor in me was rewriting that scene entirely in my head and having MS and even CB adjust their performances. Then I would have had less issues with the ep. Although I still don't think this ep fit as a series finale, at least for me.

But I'm crazy that way. And since this is the Sam thread *g*, some stuff in Unending...

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Again, this may be l'il ol' me, but her scene with Landry when he's dying. Why was she all alone with him? Why weren't the others there at Landry's side too as he died? There was no way they couldn't have known that he was close since Sam obviously did.

And, honestly, I never saw any emotional connection between their two characters, even before this ep, so it seemed off to me that she was that upset. Maybe there was supposed to be more stuff showing the in-between years between them, but they seemed to really only show, as far as one on one interactions, Cam and Landry. So without anything extra to show how close they supposedly got, it just felt like something was missing there. *shrug* If it had been Hammond or (heaven forbid ) Jack, oh heck yeah I could have understood her being so upset, but it wasn't, so..yeah.

Okay, I better stop now before I don't shut up. ;P

Sio