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    Originally posted by Melora
    I think all Sam fans wish for this. Some of us might like to see her go through adversities because how she deals with those adversities reveals more and more about who she is as a person. But in the end, I think most of us would agree that we want to see Sam happy.

    I miss the playful, excited, joyful Sam of the past. I think over the years, Sam has simply realized that there is more to life than she thought. And in wanting more in her life and not always being able to get it, it has made her more angst-ridden and jaded to some extent. She has also been fighting for a long time and there never seems to be a respite. That alone is bound to disillusion anyone. It is a process that practically everyone goes through at some point or another in their lives.

    The question is: what will make Sam happy? Is she even capable of being happy anymore? Or has she forever lost that innocence and undiluted joy that she once had?
    I think that there is a lot of joy and excitement with 'exploration'... going through the gate to see what wonders were out there... That seemed to come across to me in the first couple of seasons. That Carter was really looking forward to what the MALP readings were going to be... that she was excited about new technology and learning about all sorts of things.

    That look on her face in COTG, when she's standing in front of the 'Gate and looking at the event horizon with awe and wonder. Where she's thinking about her physics and - just excited to explore and experience it all.

    'I'm having a good time now, sir,' or something along those lines as she walked alongside O'Neill in the Goa'uld ship - and after admitting that she'd spent time memorizing the layouts of the Goa'uld ship (info from the Tok'ra)

    In the later seasons, Space Race and Grace showcase a bit of that excitement for me. In Space Race, she was zipping around in an alien ship around an alien star system...yes, there was the need for speed, but there was also that portrayal of excitement about doing new things and going new places... Foresaken showed some of her zeal and excitement at the beginning where she was smiling as they were setting up a telescope on an alien world (here they were on an alien world, and her objective wasn't battling supervillians, it was to do some astronomy). In Grace, Col. Emerson called her a 'Kid In A Candy Store' with respect to taking a little side trip to check out the nebula. For me, getting to see her in the space suit at the end of Season 9 also symbolized that 'explorer's spirit' (although I know that she was actually there to deal with inter-galactic supervillians).




    Folks get excitement and joy and a 'burning zeal for life' in different places. As a scientist and an astrophysicist who was hoping to go into NASA, Carter came across as an explorer to me.

    My experience with SciFi series, however, is that they get their best ratings when there is a large-scale good-vs-evil battle for galactic (or inter-galactic) domination. Large scale blow-em-up battles and special effects usually do well for ratings and viewership too (note that I said usually, there are exceptions... poor scripts can kill anything).

    I've always thought it would be cool to have a show that showcased alien worlds - with some cool computer graphics, they could do amazing special effects. Now, what do I mean by 'showcasing alien worlds'? Erm, I have to admit that I'm thinking of the geology, the landscape, topography, etc. Most 'visits to alien worlds' throw in an offcolor sky if you're lucky, but the rest often just looks like.. .well, Earth. And the joke for Stargate is that their 'alien worlds' all look not-so-surprisingly like Western Canada (trees, trees, trees... oh, throw in a desert... or a muddy lake shore)... using the Canadian glaciers for Antarctica was cool, though.

    OK, I know that the limiting factor is $$$ for the special effects/computer graphics. Still, I can dream.

    So, I've now rambled off course... The topic was 'Happy Carter'... and my impressions of 'Happy Carter' are when 1) she was exploring or discovering something new, 2) she was working with or developing new technologies or 3) someone (usually on her team) was making her laugh.

    So, in summary, I would say that she'd get pleasure and happiness and excitement from
    - going through the 'Gate to explore new worlds
    - playing with and/or inventing new technologies (doohickeys)
    - time spent with the people she loves and admires
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      Spoiler:
      who says it's a fantasy & not an embellished memory? When Amanda said both sides would be happy... sorta, who's to say that isn't the anti-shippers she's sorta-ing about Just another random thought...



      Originally posted by majorsal
      continued spoilers for '200'

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      i don't mind one bit if this fantasy comes from sam. i say, why not? i've read thoughts on why some don't want it sam's, but since the ship has been played from jack's pov also (can give examples by request), i don't feel this would 'hurt' sam if this was from her desires. i don't feel it would hurt either one of them.

      one version of this episode i've read about has sam saying to jack, 'jack, will you marry me?'. if this is true, i see sam taking charge of her life by asking the guy the question. it makes me want to say, 'you go girl!'.

      just my opinion.




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        Originally posted by majorsal
        who are d/s shippers? (you're not meaning daniel/sam???)

        sally
        I think she was. Yes, there are many Daniel/Sam shippers out there. But from what I can tell, they are not a very vocal fan group. They're actually quite a nice bunch of people who have very little hope of their ship ever being confirmed in any way by TPTB. And I don't think the bodyguards were needed due to them.

        I think TPTB were shocked when there was such an uproar about Pete. They intended him to be a nice, innocuous, regular joe-type character. When the J/S shippers (and others) got so outraged about him and his relationship with Sam, I think they were completely caught off-guard. And I agree with Astro, I don't think they thought that far ahead. They wanted to introduce a boyfriend for Sam that didn't die (taking care of the 'Black Widow' label) and they also wanted to add some depth to the character by making her reassess her choices in life. End of story.

        Although, I have to say that I rather like and agree with Über's analysis. But, then again, I don't think TPTB are as deep as she is.

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          Originally posted by Melora
          I think she was. Yes, there are many Daniel/Sam shippers out there. But from what I can tell, they are not a very vocal fan group. They're actually quite a nice bunch of people who have very little hope of their ship ever being confirmed in any way by TPTB. And I don't think the bodyguards were needed due to them.

          I think TPTB were shocked when there was such an uproar about Pete. They intended him to be a nice, innocuous, regular joe-type character. When the J/S shippers (and others) got so outraged about him and his relationship with Sam, I think they were completely caught off-guard. And I agree with Astro, I don't think they thought that far ahead. They wanted to introduce a boyfriend for Sam that didn't die (taking care of the 'Black Widow' label) and they also wanted to add some depth to the character by making her reassess her choices in life. End of story.

          Although, I have to say that I rather like and agree with Über's analysis. But, then again, I don't think TPTB are as deep as she is.
          I used to think Daniel was the perfect man for Sam but not after what he did in flesh and blood. He showed himself to be a coward.

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            Originally posted by Myrth
            Spoiler:
            who says it's a fantasy & not an embellished memory? When Amanda said both sides would be happy... sorta, who's to say that isn't the anti-shippers she's sorta-ing about Just another random thought...

            I was thinking the same thing, Myrth!

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            I was also thinking the non-shippers might be happy with a real wedding scene cause they wouldn't have to hear about it from us shippers any more.
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              Originally posted by Agent_Dark
              I dont agree with that at all I dont see why Sam has to have an 'Alpha Male'. In fact, since there's a lot of talk of symbolism (ie, Sam doesnt have command because she's a woman, BB is the new star because he's male etc etc), how is 'the woman needs an alpha male to tell her what to do' any better?
              I also find it interesting that in Pete Bashing fic, Pete is usually shown as violent and agressive (qualities of an 'Alpha Male'?) so people can have an excuse to bash the character.
              i see sam desiring an alpha male *because alpha males are sexy*. look, she notices jack o'neill (hot alpha male), but it doesn't mean she lets herself get pushed around because of it. sam's an alpha female.

              just my opinion, ad.





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                Originally posted by LadyJeep
                I was thinking the same thing, Myrth!

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                I was also thinking the non-shippers might be happy with a real wedding scene cause they wouldn't have to hear about it from us shippers any more.
                ROFL!

                Maybe that's their "good news."
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                With it resolved, they don't have to hear the perpetual whinging from us shippers about wanting that dang resolve!

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                  Originally posted by Mandysg1
                  DON'T LOOK SALLY!!!!!!!JUST DON'T LOOK
                  Ah darn, I think she looked
                  i did look!

                  but i don't know why he said it to begin with... was it in some spoilers?

                  more ing





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                    Originally posted by astrogeologist
                    *snip*
                    So, in summary, I would say that she'd get pleasure and happiness and excitement from
                    - going through the 'Gate to explore new worlds
                    - playing with and/or inventing new technologies (doohickeys)
                    - time spent with the people she loves and admires
                    I agree, but since S7 have we really seen Sam look happy or excited about anything? Maybe Arthur's Mantle. Hmmm. Can anyone else think of an episode?

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                      Originally posted by Skydiver
                      i wonder...how would folks feel if it had been SAM who'd been all 'let's do this' enthusiastic about pete and making a life with him.

                      what if she'd tossed herself into the relationship full tilt.

                      do you think she'd have gotten as far as marriage, or would it have been a 'flash point' passionate love affaire that came to a sudden and crashing halt?


                      whistles to black out images

                      drinks to help

                      downs bottle of anti depressants

                      vomits

                      dreams of sam/jack open mouthed kisses

                      is better





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                        Originally posted by ForeverSg1
                        My only hope for season ten is that they will finally give me back the strong, intelligent and capable Sam I used to have. I don't need her to be in every scene nor do I want to see her as the star of the show...at least not this one. I simply want her to be written as an integral part of the team again. I want to see Sam doing what made her so great. I want to see her going off on adventurers and discovering new technologies and protecting Earth with the team.
                        Obviously
                        we all fell in love with different aspects of Sam's character. Some of us loved the relationship she had with Jack, Daniel or Teal'c. Some of us loved to see Sam as a kickass soldier. Some of us loved seeing her as a brilliant astrophysicist and some of us liked everything about her, but over time our dreams and expectations for Sam have grown and evolved and now we want to see other things as well. We want to see her as strong and confident. We want to see her as a leader. Many want to see her as a lover and wife. And then there are some like myself who simply want to see Sam as happy. Happy with her career. With her decisions. With her life. Sam's life has been filled with so much angst and sadness over the years, I just think she deserves to be happy for once; and regardless of what she may have told Jacob in Threads I just haven't seen a very happy Carter the past few years. So that's my one wish.
                        Well stated, Kat! And I agree - I would love to see more of that happy, excited Carter 'going off on adventurers and discovering new technologies and protecting Earth with the team'.

                        Is it just me, or does it seem like... they do go off on 'adventures', but the excitement and fun of it is completely squashed by the overwhelming storyline of impending doom and the continuous battle against superevil? Bad guys have taken over the storylines to the point of pushing out the fun? It's about surviving now?

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                          Originally posted by Melora
                          The question is: what will make Sam happy? Is she even capable of being happy anymore? Or has she forever lost that innocence and undiluted joy that she once had?
                          I think she can be happy again. It's kind of hard though, with alien threats and having a top secret job.
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                          Not to mention having your command taken away.
                          And I said she could be happy again? I think so. Professionally, it's hard. Give her the position she deserves and a nice big lab, I think she'd be ecstatic! Personally, she's got some of the greatest friends. And I will say Jack being around would lighten her mood. He could always make her smile. Examples:
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                          I'd love to see her smile like she means it again(and I really love her smile).

                          I know at times she must feel the weight of the world is on her shoulders. I'm sure she just wishes for some normalcy in her life, which I think is part of the reason for Pete. The years have taken their toll on her and she's not the same person she was in COTG.

                          I do think, though, she can be happier than she is. Surround her with the people she loves-they can lend support and comfort when things are looking bleak. Everyone needs someone. Show her she is important and needed at the SGC, which she is. She should be given the respect she deserves. That would go a long way in improving her outlook.

                          Uh, so yeah. Sam's still got that spark. It's just been struggling to stay lit these past few seasons.

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                            Originally posted by ForeverSg1
                            I agree, but since S7 have we really seen Sam look happy or excited about anything? Maybe Arthur's Mantle. Hmmm. Can anyone else think of an episode?
                            Exactly.

                            In Reckoning, she gets to work on figuring out that cool puzzle on the wall, and she gets to work on the Ancient device with her father..but there's not a lot of fun to be had with Replicators threatening to dominate and subjugate and assimilate the galaxy.

                            I think she might have been having fun with Coleson (sp?) in Covenant, when she took him out in the ship for a flight. Or at least, I would think that she thought she was going to have fun. But he turned it into something else.

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                              [QUOTE=astrogeologist]Well stated, Kat! And I agree - I would love to see more of that happy, excited Carter 'going off on adventurers and discovering new technologies and protecting Earth with the team'.

                              Is it just me, or does it seem like... they do go off on 'adventures', but the excitement and fun of it is completely squashed by the overwhelming storyline of impending doom and the continuous battle against superevil? Bad guys have taken over the storylines to the point of pushing out the fun? It's about surviving now?[/QUOTE]

                              Are you talking about the characters or the show (due to the low ratings)
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                                Originally posted by ForeverSg1
                                I agree, but since S7 have we really seen Sam look happy or excited about anything? Maybe Arthur's Mantle. Can anyone else name an episode?
                                Zero Hour, when shes talking about the mission with Jack near the end. Fishing in Threads and Moebius (NOT COS IT WAS 'SHIPPY'! ).
                                s9:
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                                Breifing room scenes where she's definitely perky, Prototype and Ripple Effect for two. Movie night in The Scourge. Crusade when she finds out that Vala managed to make contact.


                                s10
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                                Pegasus Project, anything with McKay. She may not admit it, but he does liven things up for her Insiders, more joking around with Mitchell

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