Sam Carter/Amanda Tapping Discussion/Appreciation

[ShimmeringStar]

The topic is... Season 10... and the glass is half empty... and leaking...

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What they truly intended, I'll never know.

All I can work from is the impressions that I get from how everything has transpired.

Moving in a New Alpha Male Leader and writing Carter out of command so that the new guy could take over was a mistake. Whether or not they make money from Season 9 (and 10+) on does not justify what they did.

Choosing to bring in both of the lead actors from Farscape... and then making them lead characters on SG-1 and shoving the veteran characters aside... I can't fathom why anyone thought that was a good idea. The only thing that comes to my mind is that someone in power was simply so enamored with Farscape that they couldn't believe their good luck at getting the Farscape actors onto SG-1.

Writing Carter out of command.
They did it.
It sucks more than I would have imagined (basically because I don't think I would have ever considered it a real possibility.... it had to happen for me to realize how much it sucks).

Seeing the new guy wield his power... sucks.

I think many of us, before the rumors and leaks about BB coming to SG started circulating, were like Amanda -- we assumed that Sam Carter would be shown going through the process of officially taking command of SG1 in S9 and this was going to be one hell of a kickbutt show that would be made even more unique by having such a wonderful female lead at its helm. SG was already a series that had already given viewers the notion that a female soldier on a mixed gender field unit was normal and that for Sam to demonstrate and exert leadership qualities and capabilities was not *extraordinary.* *grins* I mean she is... but you know what I mean!

We assumed in the logical progression of things, that she would be shown in a position of leadership --- she was an experienced soldier with 8 years of intensive field experience, and on top of that, a talented scientist who'd grown beyond her own field of expertise and into others. How would you not want to promote that kind of skill and talent at the SGC? You sure as heck wouldn't want to lose it to R&D. (And monetarily -- all the time and money invested in training this person, in developing the skills through off-world misions, and finding that you've got on your hands a person who's put 110% of her life and soul into the program and from who you gain a benefit one hundred fold - you want all that to just walk away? )

Instead... we're given some

Spoiler:

*thinks for a moment for an appropriate PG curse word adjective* *is unable to think of one* lame excuses about the team disbanding and hell... if I remember correctly from those who've dissected and analyzed the canon timeline - even the timing of everything didn't make a lick of sense.... but anyhoo... bringing it back to Sam ...

Look at the way Sam was written out of early S9 (while AT was on maternity leave) and then was written back in...... We get just about one line of explanation and we're supposed to be happy with that and the heroic (but lacking off-world field leadership experience) backstory of The One Man Band... I mean we knew Sam's maternal feelings for Cassie were strong, but damn... to give up SG1 for R&D? Cassie was/is out of high school - we're not talking about a toddler who required constant care. While it could be explained away that she made a choice that many women have to make concerning their professional life and their roles as mothers, it rang somewhat more hollow to me given how old Cassie was and how little we were told about why Sam left. Don't get me wrong - Amanda played the hell out of the lines she was given at the beginning of S9 and for the most part you'd think Sam the character wanted to be where she was at, but us viewers couldn't get there. We weren't helped to get there....

I realize that TPTB have never been great about following things up or giving the viewers much needed backstory (*coughs* though we sure got enough in that first ep with Cam), but maybe, just maybe, it wouldn't have been such a harder "sell" to some of us, if we'd been given more. I know too TPTB want to say as little as possible, that way more fans can interpret character motives in ways that are pleasing to them... but with the changes that came down the pike, some more of Sam's backstory would have maybe lessened the blow.

Sure, the Goa'uld were temporarily vanquished, but there was still *plenty* for the flagship team to be out there doing, especially on the science and diplomatic ends (read: lots of interesting situations and adventures for Sam, Teal'c, and Daniel to have {with newbies rotating in with the team, both to give the newbies a taste of "the team" and for Sam to scout out an appropriate replacement for the fourth team member}.) I don't know. Maybe I'm alone in feeling that giving Sam a maternal leave kind of excuse was just too easy of a way out and it just didn't ring true the way they brought her back and utilized her afterwards.

Oh heck. What do I know? I'm just a fan.

But then for me I guess how I continue to explain away this season and last, goes back to S8's Moebius. TPTB sent the 'original timeline' team I lurved back and killed them and gave me something that was "close enough." And I've determined that 'close enough' actually was far enough away (far, far, far away) from the timeline (wasn't it ST and SG that talked about quantum signatures and being able to tell timelines from that? okay... I'm digressing again!) that *this* team, the one we've been watching for a bit over a season now... it's not the same. The arcs and the slightly skewed character motivations and acting out-of-character (Daniel especially) --- it's all because they were "close enough".....

Hmm.... sorry... *giggles* where was I going with this? I think I've forgotten!

Spoiler:

I think they are playing Carter's role up now in the promos and such because they are trying to

* retain some of their veteran fan base
* appease those female viewers who are incensed that Carter was written out of command
* avoid the too obvious FarGate branding by the media. If they publish ads with BB and CB all over them, then the media is going to start using the FarGate label (and not just the disillusioned fans).
* pull in some of that 'female demographic'


The short synopses and tag lines for the first half of Season 10 were out, and we all saw that there was little mention of Carter - especially not as a main hero, or a successful, brilliant astrophysicist. No, the storylines mostly mentioned Mitchell and Vala. Mitchell's various heroics and/or situations. Vala's child. Vala's psych eval. Vala's amnesia. Mitchell and Landry.. at O'Neill's cabin!!! Talking about commanding SG-1. Mitchell handcuffed to a bed, in his underwear, with Vala next to him. Mitchell popping motorcycle wheelies as he tears off to rescue Vala. Vala helping to rescue herself.

Headlines read 'Ben Browder leads Stargate into the future' (and variations thereof).

Mitchell. Vala. Mitchell. Vala.

That's what came out as Season 10 took shape.
As it was written, as it was filmed.

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And then, as time got shorter before Season 10 premiered, there were suddenly articles with AT. Pictures and photos of AT - with BB, and then later, a few with CB. Articles and interviews with AT. Inclusion of Carter's character now into the mix.

But the fact remains that much of Season 10 was already done and in the can. And much of the rest was already sketched out.

Something seems to have happened where they got a bit of the message about including Carter and Teal'c.

They seem to be playing up Carter's role in the promos. That doesn't change the fact that they still have Mitchell as the leader of SG-1.

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I can't put into words how much I hate seeing Carter answer to the Lead Male oozing testosterone. She spent 8 years as O'Neill's subordinate - she's earned the right to be the leader of the team. She was the leader of the team. Giving that to Mitchell... nasty, nasty, nasty

Maybe... perhaps... they will have some good, solid Carter in episodes to come. Maybe... perhaps... But probably not much. It's Mitchell's team and Mitchell's story, with some Vala thrown in for spice and humor and novelty (new)... Most likely that there might be, perhaps, some good Carter moments or scenes.

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I wonder what TPTB are thinking right now?

Are they hoping that veteran viewers will tune back in? I think a lot of folks gave the show a chance in Season 9, but what they saw didn't entice them to keep viewing. What they saw in Season 9, wasn't enough to make them want to watch TV on Friday evenings anymore.

Are they hoping that they will create a new (and different) fan base, quickly enough, to make up for the viewers that they lost?

Are they hoping to simply end SG-1 and start a new series?

I'm with those of you who have suggested that it would be cool if Carter was the leader of a team, and a ship, for a new series.

However, I do think that Sky and some of the others are more likely correct, with the idea that it's more likely that TPTB would go with Mitchell and Vala as the carry-over leads into a new series. (From the CB interviews it sounds like they've already sounded her out w/respect to doing a new Stargate series... but then that was before Season 10 was a reality...).

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A new SG series? At this point I don't think it would fly. There's already two SG franchises. The costs... well.. I don't know - if they bring in all fresh talent (read: very low salaries) maybe. And not unless they STOP spreading the writing pool so thin. And keep Brad W. and Martin W. there in one place. (Preferably the SG place!) One has to wonder if we're all Stargated out --- really --- because if they believe they've told all the stories there are to be told what stories would a third series tell? Plus with the meddling of SciFi --- I could see the third series being more of a reality show... "So You Wanna Be at the SGC?" *sighs*

*grins* (((((Astro)))) Always nice to see you and read your thoughts.

[ForeverSg1]

Well, Avalon is a joint convention being hosted both by Gabit Events and another company. There's also the GABIT2 convention itself, the whole weekend convention which is the weekend before. I think the official title of that is actually "Amanda Tapping: A Weekend With Her Fans - The Return" or something along those lines. But it's generally known as GABIT (Get Amanda Back In Town) or GABIT2 (because the first GABIT was last year). So if you say GABIT, folks will assume you mean the full weekend convention with Amanda

Actually last year's event was called Gabit, but I think this year it's called AT2.

So to answer your question Thor, there are two cons in November involving Amanda. One con is called AT2 which will be three days of Amanda all by herself, and then the following weekend will be another con called Avalon which will have both Amanda and RDA as guests. As Tracy already stated, both cons are run by the same group of people who are referred to as the G4. Also like others have stated, there will be approximately thirty Gateworlders going to AT2 and at least a dozen or so who are going to Avalon. There are even a few of us who will be attending both cons - Ambermoon, Skydiver, Minigeek, LadyJeep and myself are the ones I can recall at the moment. There are two separate threads for AT2(look for the Gabit thread ) and Avalon in the Fandom section with lists of people who will be attending.

As for Avalon, I will be attending the Friday AM session, but Sunday would have been my second choice had the first session not been available. Just a little over 100 days left! Yippee!! Two weekends in a row with Amanda, it just doesn't get much better than that. RDA is the icing on the cake with a big ole cherry on top. I try not to think about RDA too much or I end up walking around all day with a big stupid grin on my face and my husband starts getting questioning look on his.

Totally OT, but today my sister and I were in my bedroom talking about a concert she is going to in August: Rick Springfield. She's been infatuated with RS since she was thirteen. I've lost track of how many times she's seen him in concert or met him in person over the past twenty years. Anyway, she was telling me about her upcoming concert and I was running off about Avalon and we were giggling like school girls and my husband walked into the room and asked what we were giggling about and I responded 'Just our obsessions' to which he just rolled his eyes and said 'Ah, Rick.' and walked out the door. DH is much more understanding about my interest in Amanda than the one I have with RDA. I wonder why? LOL.

[Thor_Beyond769]

Actually last year's event was called Gabit, but I think this year it's called AT2.

So to answer your question Thor, there are two cons in November involving Amanda. One con is called AT2 which will be three days of Amanda all by herself, and then the following weekend will be another con called Avalon which will have both Amanda and RDA as guests. Like others have said, there will be approximately thirty Gateworlders going to AT2 and at least a dozen or so who are going to Avalon( some of us will be going to both - Ambermoon, Skydiver, Minigeek, LadyJeep and myself are the ones I recall that are going to both AT2 and Avalon). There are two separate threads for AT2(look for the Gabit thread ) and Avalon with lists of everyone who has posted they are attending.

As for Avalon, I will be attending the Friday AM session, but Sunday would have been my second choice had the first session not been available. Just a little over 100 days left! Yippee!! Two weekends in a row with Amanda, it doesn't get much better than that.

Ok, that clears that up. Thanks so much. I hope I didn't post on the wrong thread for the event. Opps if I did. I'll be going to Avalon with RDA and AT together. Wow! You've got two weekends. A true Stargate FAN! I chose Sunday as my first choice because of Thanksgiving and family just that thursday before that weekend. I didn't want to stress out about not getting there in time.
Everyone I've met here so far have been very kind. It's a big change from Sony. This place is a keeper.

[L.A. Doyle]

I think many of us, before the rumors and leaks about BB coming to SG started circulating, were like Amanda -- we assumed that Sam Carter would be shown going through the process of officially taking command of SG1 in S9 and this was going to be one hell of a kickbutt show that would be made even more unique by having such a wonderful female lead at its helm.

That would have been an amazing show.

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Sure, the Goa'uld were temporarily vanquished, but there was still *plenty* for the flagship team to be out there doing, especially on the science and diplomatic ends (read: lots of interesting situations and adventures for Sam, Teal'c, and Daniel to have {with newbies rotating in with the team, both to give the newbies a taste of "the team" and for Sam to scout out an appropriate replacement for the fourth team member}.) I don't know. Maybe I'm alone in feeling that giving Sam a maternal leave kind of excuse was just too easy of a way out and it just didn't ring true the way they brought her back and utilized her afterwards.

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Yes, I agree. There was still plenty for them to do-so many other adventures. Why jump to a new bad guy so soon?

Oh, yeah. There's a little over a day left in the ceeleb poll. Amanda's still in first, but losing lots of ground. So...if you can, no pressure, drop by and vote.

[deepspace]

I hope you've had a wonderful birthday Dani!

[Tracy Jane]

Happy Birthday Dani!!!!!!

[deepspace]

Since some folks have groused that Sam is too perfect, that she always knows the answer... and that they want to see more of situations where Sam *doesn't* know the answer and doesn't figure things out... I set about to make a list of the times that Sam *didn't* know the answer -- because I think they've done a good job (sometimes too good) of showing Sam as not-perfect and not always having the ansewr (much more so than most scifi lead science-types) - and they started this in Season 1. (Frankly, I think they've gone too far to the 'don't know' side over the past couple of years...)

At any rate, here's the list that I have so far, and I'd like help adding to it

Not Super!Sam – she has her human sides, she has her vulnerabilities, she doesn’t always have the answer, she doesn’t always save the day

Season 1: The First Commandment – she can’t pull the trigger on Jonas (she isn’t the perfect soldier – she’s human)

Season 1: Solitudes – she didn’t think of dialing another gate. She didn’t save the day and rescue herself and Jack. (not Super!Sam who always comes up with the answer)

Season 5: Red Sky – they screwed up that sun!

Season 5: Desperate Measures – she doesn’t get herself out of this one. Jack swoops in and saves her.

Season 6: Forsaken – she got cold-cocked and tied up, then got put on the sidelines because of wooziness.

Season 7: Avenger 2.0 – she definitely didn’t save the day here. Felger had to reprogram the ‘Gate and Jack swooped in and saved both Carter and Felger.

Season 7: Fallen – she can’t run the ‘digger’ well enough – Kianna must operate/drive the machine

Season 7: Death Knell – she outruns the SuperSoldier for awhile, but it ultimately outlasts her and Teal’c and Jack swoop in and save her.

Season 8: New Order – Jack and the guys and the Asgard save the day. Fifth lets Sam go

Season 8: Gemini – RepliCarter fools her and gets the frequency/code to the Ancient Replicator gun.

Season 9: Beachhead - Carter isn’t needed to go with the bomb after all.

Season 9: Camelot – Sam can’t deal with the SuperGate fast enough

Ship – the whole Pete saga, Jonas, Jack – she definitely doesn’t have the relationship thing down.

And, then for contrast, here's a list of episodes where I think that Carter was a main hero, or *the* main hero, or did something decisive towards victory for that episode.

Episodes where Sam *did* save the day, where she was figuring things out, where she could see ‘the answer’, where Sam was the hero

Singularity – heroically going back down to Cassie
Hathor – taking on the Goa’uld, saving the base, saving Jack from being a Jaffa
Seth – using the hand device against Seth
1969 – figuring out the time travel/sunspots
Fair Game - where she uses the healing device on the Goa’uld
A Matter of Time – great Science!Sam
2010 – Science!Sam, Ship!Sam, Heroic!Sam
2001 – falling through the horizontal ‘Gate
Small Victories dumb ideas – blowing up the O’Neill to save the Asgard
A Hundred Days -creating and building that particle accelerator
Foothold – saving the SGC, and Earth
Grace – saving the Prometheus, it’s crew, and the aliens

Brilliant and so true! I can try and help think of some other situations to add to your list, though you have already done such a thorough job and compiled it so well. What a great reminder that one of the facets that makes Sam so wonderful is the fact that she's human.

[ShimmeringStar]

Ok, that clears that up. Thanks so much. I hope I didn't post on the wrong thread for the event. Opps if I did. I'll be going to Avalon with RDA and AT together. Wow! You've got two weekends. A true Stargate FAN! I chose Sunday as my first choice because of Thanksgiving and family just that thursday before that weekend. I didn't want to stress out about not getting there in time.
Everyone I've met here so far have been very kind. It's a big change from Sony. This place is a keeper.

You sound like a keeper too, TB769. (((((TB769))))))

[deepspace]

To everyone on this thread - thanks for playing. I have enjoyed it and I wish you all well. I hope that S10 improves and that you find something to enjoy - it is all in the perception and opinion and unfortunately mine is negative and likely always will be from here on. I may lurk a while to see if anything strikes my fancy (maybe the second half will improve but I won't be holding my breath) and to see if AT gets out of this disaster and moves on to something else worth her talent. If she does I would like to know since I would likely at least take a look at what she does next because I really do think that of the bunch on the show she certainly has the most talent.
Take care everyone. See ya.
One last thing - but certainly not least - I would like to thank Sally for starting this thread many moons and almost 48,000 posts ago.

Bink you will be sorely missed. I have enjoyed reading your insights and discussions into both seasons 1-8 and the new seasons. However I am aware that you have been very dissilusioned with SG-1 for a long time now, so I understand why you feel that you've had enough. I hope you will drop by occasionally, even if it's just to say hi or discuss an old episode of Stargate from DVD. Take care yourself, and I hope to see you one again one day.

[deepspace]

If we want to determine who has the strongest accent ... here's the test.

We put AT in a room and bring in AD, deepspace, 1speed and Coley. Each one of the contestants has to say only two words at the back of the room and Amanda then has to repeat what she hears.

The two words are Crystal Skull.

I already know who will have the strongest accent. It was pre-determined at last year's GABIT.

Ah, the Jester is definitely not letting this one go in a hurry is she . Poor Coley.

[ForeverSg1]

I hope you've had a wonderful birthday Dani!

Me too!

[astrogeologist]

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I think many of us, before the rumors and leaks about BB coming to SG started circulating, were like Amanda -- we assumed that Sam Carter would be shown going through the process of officially taking command of SG1 in S9 and this was going to be one hell of a kickbutt show that would be made even more unique by having such a wonderful female lead at its helm. SG was already a series that had already given viewers the notion that a female soldier on a mixed gender field unit was normal and that for Sam to demonstrate and exert leadership qualities and capabilities was not *extraordinary.* *grins* I mean she is... but you know what I mean!

We assumed in the logical progression of things, that she would be shown in a position of leadership --- she was an experienced soldier with 8 years of intensive field experience, and on top of that, a talented scientist who'd grown beyond her own field of expertise and into others. How would you not want to promote that kind of skill and talent at the SGC? You sure as heck wouldn't want to lose it to R&D. (And monetarily -- all the time and money invested in training this person, in developing the skills through off-world misions, and finding that you've got on your hands a person who's put 110% of her life and soul into the program and from who you gain a benefit one hundred fold - you want all that to just walk away? )

Instead... we're given some

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*thinks for a moment for an appropriate PG curse word adjective* *is unable to think of one* lame excuses about the team disbanding and hell... if I remember correctly from those who've dissected and analyzed the canon timeline - even the timing of everything didn't make a lick of sense.... but anyhoo... bringing it back to Sam ...

Look at the way Sam was written out of early S9 (while AT was on maternity leave) and then was written back in...... We get just about one line of explanation and we're supposed to be happy with that and the heroic (but lacking off-world field leadership experience) backstory of The One Man Band... I mean we knew Sam's maternal feelings for Cassie were strong, but damn... to give up SG1 for R&D? Cassie was/is out of high school - we're not talking about a toddler who required constant care. While it could be explained away that she made a choice that many women have to make concerning their professional life and their roles as mothers, it rang somewhat more hollow to me given how old Cassie was and how little we were told about why Sam left. Don't get me wrong - Amanda played the hell out of the lines she was given at the beginning of S9 and for the most part you'd think Sam the character wanted to be where she was at, but us viewers couldn't get there. We weren't helped to get there....

I realize that TPTB have never been great about following things up or giving the viewers much needed backstory (*coughs* though we sure got enough in that first ep with Cam), but maybe, just maybe, it wouldn't have been such a harder "sell" to some of us, if we'd been given more. I know too TPTB want to say as little as possible, that way more fans can interpret character motives in ways that are pleasing to them... but with the changes that came down the pike, some more of Sam's backstory would have maybe lessened the blow.

Sure, the Goa'uld were temporarily vanquished, but there was still *plenty* for the flagship team to be out there doing, especially on the science and diplomatic ends (read: lots of interesting situations and adventures for Sam, Teal'c, and Daniel to have {with newbies rotating in with the team, both to give the newbies a taste of "the team" and for Sam to scout out an appropriate replacement for the fourth team member}.) I don't know. Maybe I'm alone in feeling that giving Sam a maternal leave kind of excuse was just too easy of a way out and it just didn't ring true the way they brought her back and utilized her afterwards.

Oh heck. What do I know? I'm just a fan.

But then for me I guess how I continue to explain away this season and last, goes back to S8's Moebius. TPTB sent the 'original timeline' team I lurved back and killed them and gave me something that was "close enough." And I've determined that 'close enough' actually was far enough away (far, far, far away) from the timeline (wasn't it ST and SG that talked about quantum signatures and being able to tell timelines from that? okay... I'm digressing again!) that *this* team, the one we've been watching for a bit over a season now... it's not the same. The arcs and the slightly skewed character motivations and acting out-of-character (Daniel especially) --- it's all because they were "close enough".....

Hmm.... sorry... *giggles* where was I going with this? I think I've forgotten!

SS

- I love your idea for

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" lots of interesting situations and adventures for Sam, Teal'c, and Daniel to have {with newbies rotating in with the team, both to give the newbies a taste of "the team" and for Sam to scout out an appropriate replacement for the fourth team member}"... That could have been *excellent*... Sam, Daniel and Teal'c each week - with another newbie or two... sometimes the 'newbie' could stay around for a couple of weeks, other times they might be there for only one episode. And I have 'newbie' in quotation marks because I'm not thinking of untried SGC members yet... am thinking more along the lines of fresh-faced Captains and Lieutentants that are actually on other SGC teams, but are just 'getting some time with the best', 'getting some time with the flagship team'... there could be brash young ones who don't follow orders well and are on the edge of being kicked out of the SGC program - and spending a little time with Sam, Daniel and Teal'c is their last chance to prove themselves and/or learn something... there could be more timid ones who need a confidence boost... there could be awestruck ones (who are simply in awe of SG-1)... one or more of them could be 'completely military' - always toeing the line and 'doing everything by the book'... there could be a couple who've been out with SG-1 before, and there would be references to previous adventures and such... OOOOOO.... what great storyline potential! It would widen the SGC team member roll call with real faces, it would allow lots of cool guest stars... they could occassionally take scientists or ambassadors who are 'Gate-virgins.... OOOOO....

How did they miss out on this cool idea?

BB and CB could have each been on several-episode arcs and perhaps even be recurring characters.

[L.A. Doyle]

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" lots of interesting situations and adventures for Sam, Teal'c, and Daniel to have {with newbies rotating in with the team, both to give the newbies a taste of "the team" and for Sam to scout out an appropriate replacement for the fourth team member}"... That could have been *excellent*... Sam, Daniel and Teal'c each week - with another newbie or two... sometimes the 'newbie' could stay around for a couple of weeks, other times they might be there for only one episode. And I have 'newbie' in quotation marks because I'm not thinking of untried SGC members yet... am thinking more along the lines of fresh-faced Captains and Lieutentants that are actually on other SGC teams, but are just 'getting some time with the best', 'getting some time with the flagship team'... there could be brash young ones who don't follow orders well and are on the edge of being kicked out of the SGC program - and spending a little time with Sam, Daniel and Teal'c is their last chance to prove themselves and/or learn something... there could be more timid ones who need a confidence boost... there could be awestruck ones (who are simply in awe of SG-1)... one or more of them could be 'completely military' - always toeing the line and 'doing everything by the book'... there could be a couple who've been out with SG-1 before, and there would be references to previous adventures and such... OOOOOO.... what great storyline potential! It would widen the SGC team member roll call with real faces, it would allow lots of cool guest stars... they could occassionally take scientists or ambassadors who are 'Gate-virgins.... OOOOO....

How did they miss out on this cool idea?

BB and CB could have each been on several-episode arcs and perhaps even be recurring characters.

An absolutely brilliant idea!

[AGateFan]

Dang, so many good ideas we missed out on.
I am not a big fan of "guest star of the week". I much prefer the unknown actors that Stargate has always brought in for the secondary characters. I would love to have seen a situation like you describe where the big 3 are taking other SGC personell on missions to figure out who is best qualified for spot #4. Near the end of the season they could have stuck with one, could have been BB and in season 10 you could have expanded his arc in a logical non disruptive way.

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" lots of interesting situations and adventures for Sam, Teal'c, and Daniel to have {with newbies rotating in with the team, both to give the newbies a taste of "the team" and for Sam to scout out an appropriate replacement for the fourth team member}"

... That could have been *excellent*... Sam, Daniel and Teal'c each week - with another newbie or two... sometimes the 'newbie' could stay around for a couple of weeks, other times they might be there for only one episode. And I have 'newbie' in quotation marks because I'm not thinking of untried SGC members yet... am thinking more along the lines of fresh-faced Captains and Lieutentants that are actually on other SGC teams, but are just 'getting some time with the best', 'getting some time with the flagship team'... there could be brash young ones who don't follow orders well and are on the edge of being kicked out of the SGC program - and spending a little time with Sam, Daniel and Teal'c is their last chance to prove themselves and/or learn something... there could be more timid ones who need a confidence boost... there could be awestruck ones (who are simply in awe of SG-1)... one or more of them could be 'completely military' - always toeing the line and 'doing everything by the book'... there could be a couple who've been out with SG-1 before, and there would be references to previous adventures and such... OOOOOO.... what great storyline potential! It would widen the SGC team member roll call with real faces, it would allow lots of cool guest stars... they could occassionally take scientists or ambassadors who are 'Gate-virgins.... OOOOO....

How did they miss out on this cool idea?

BB and CB could have each been on several-episode arcs and perhaps even be recurring characters.

Exactly Astro! I'm sure the members of the other SG units would have been mad as hell when Cam sauntered in and took SG1. SG1 had always been a flagship team, something to aspire to, a promotion of sorts if you could ever break into the team. I think the SGC rumor mill would have been a lot more sympathetic to how Jonas came to the team (Jack and Hammond not wanting to forced into having the Russian on the team) than with how Cam came to it.

And that's what drew me to SG1 too. Good actors who were unknown to me. (I knew of RDA, but had never watched him in MacG or anything else he'd performed in before) And all these unknown (to me) variables *clicked.* Lightning has been known to strike twice. Who's to say another cast of unknowns or adding a liberal sprinkling of unknowns to the established mix wouldn't have worked?

Or is that what TPTB are afraid of? The unknown? Too comfortable in what they've got going now to *really* go out on the cutting edge?

Ah well.... must get off here and get things ready for work tomorrow.

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