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**ReganX** · 20 July 2006, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by stargate barbie

y'know what i find saddly funny. in season 4 they recognised that they made a mistake with the introduction of anise and the hoped for seven-of-nine-effect. it didn't work, they got rid of the character (without forgeting she ever existed) and they said, ok that was a mistake, moving on.

times change huh?

as of season 10, its not to late to revert back to what works. they could

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**Osiris-RA** · 20 July 2006, 04:58 PM

I've been watching some Old School SG1 to remember the old days and I've noticed that Carters character either seems to have gone under a drastic change or someone's sabotaging the character from the writers desk.

In the past, she was always in the know. And if she wasn't in the know, she'd at least try to figure it out while keeping up the facade that she knew, know what I'm saying? No-a-days, I notice a whole lot more "duh" moments with her - and Daniel for that matter. It seems like to bring forth Cameron shining into glory, they have to downplay the talents of Carter. I could just be hopelessly biased, but I have tried to like Cameron (sort of) but I'm just not seeing what distinguishes him as a leader.

And another thing, the relationship between Sam and Cam isn't the fun sort of brother/sister (maybe cousin/cousin) relationship she and Jack had. From the start, Jack didn't take her very seriously, I don't think. So she had to kind of prove herself to the guys around her and to herself. With Cam, she doesn't really have to because she's "legendary" now. Instead of personal respect, I get the sense of secret irritation and the feeling that she's just kind of putting up with him.

Was it so hard to put Carter in the lead, get a new Major, and keep the save-the-universe game going? Was it so controversial? Carter has to come full circle, dammit!

Just a thought. *resumes watching Old Skool SG1*

**ReganX** · 20 July 2006, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by Osiris-RA

I've been watching some Old School SG1 to remember the old days and I've noticed that Carters character either seems to have gone under a drastic change or someone's sabotaging the character from the writers desk.

In the past, she was always in the know. And if she wasn't in the know, she'd at least try to figure it out while keeping up the facade that she knew, know what I'm saying? No-a-days, I notice a whole lot more "duh" moments with her - and Daniel for that matter. It seems like to bring forth Cameron shining into glory, they have to downplay the talents of Carter. I could just be hopelessly biased, but I have tried to like Cameron (sort of) but I'm just not seeing what distinguishes him as a leader.

And another thing, the relationship between Sam and Cam isn't the fun sort of brother/sister (maybe cousin/cousin) relationship she and Jack had. From the start, Jack didn't take her very seriously, I don't think. So she had to kind of prove herself to the guys around her and to herself. With Cam, she doesn't really have to because she's "legendary" now. Instead of personal respect, I get the sense of secret irritation and the feeling that she's just kind of putting up with him.

Was it so hard to put Carter in the lead, get a new Major, and keep the save-the-universe game going? Was it so controversial? Carter has to come full circle, dammit!

Just a thought. *resumes watching Old Skool SG1*

That's exactly what I think they are doing.

As I said a couple of days ago

Originally posted by ReganX

If TPTB want Mitchell to look in any way half-decent, they may feel that they have to downplay Sam's military prowess and leadership skills to the point of non-existence.

Imagine if there are two musicians, one of whom is truly gifted (on a level with Jacqueline du Pré or Yehudi Menuhin, for example) with the other being an adequate player but far from spectacular. If the second musician is the only one to play at a concert, he or she may sound okay, but if they are playing immediately after the first, they’ll look poor by comparison.

Mitchell, as he has been established, is the second musician – although one or two critics seem convinced that he is in the first category – so if he is to stand a chance of looking good, the first musician has to be kept out of the way.

**stargate barbie** · 20 July 2006, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by SunKrux

Hey Samandans! Can I have your attention please?!

I have an idea that might help cheer us all up.

I snurched this idea from another fandom I'm on and well I thought it could be fun to see what you all would say.

Ready to play Let's Pretend?

Here's the game: Say that Amanda is having a hard time deciding what scenes as Sam to put on her demo/promo reel as she's getting ready to send it off to various casting agents and such looking for the next great role. She comes to you and asks for your input. What scenes from SG1 as Sam would you put on her demo/promo reel?

ok a short list;

the scene with daniel about not having "to do this alone" in singularity

the elevator scene in singularity

there but for the grace of god, just before jack goes off to see teal'c ("do you really think he's right about this jaffa?") and blowing up the briefing room.

most of In the Line of Duty, but if i can't have most of it, the scene in the gate room where she is trying to get through the gate, the scene where she's calling after jack and the scene at the end.

secrets where jacob tells her he has cancer and then leaves her in the room on her own.

one of the technobabble scenes from a matter of time
the lab scene with the 2 carters and o'neill in point of view.

in jolinars memories where she's explaining to daniel about what she remembers about bynar

the other side where she's arguing with daniel (is it just me or are a lot of these so far scenes with daniel?)

beneath the surface, the "oh please you work just as hard as i do" scene, and the one where she's p'd off about brenna not accepting her ideas.

tangent, the stakeout to find dad (with daniel!), and the one where they find jack and teal'c

double jeopardy where robot carter dies.

enemies "i'm havin' fun right now sir"

threshold, the scene with teal'c where he asks her if she believes in god

the fifth man, first gate room scene

red sky, where she's trying to explain to jack and hammond her plan

2001, where she's hanging over the gate and then where she lands in the gate room

desperate measures where they try to kill her

the warrior, where she shoots up the tree

meridian where she's talking to daniel

redemption. any scene with mckay, in particular the "i hate you" scene. and "your creepin' me out mckay".

frozen where she gets jack to take the symbiote.

paradise lost, scene with teal'c

the changeling "prescribe him some warm milk", and the scene where they're at the RTA as firefighters.

fallen, yes again the one with daniel.

space race. the one where she "needs teal'cs help".

avenger 2.0, with felger on the planet, and with felger in his, um, apartment? was it an apartment?

grace, the scene with her father and the one with o'neill.

chimera, the "singin' in the rain" scene

death knell. thats it. just death knell.

heroes, part 1 where she's giving the first interview and part 2 where they come back from the planet and the scene with o'neill and the scene with teal'c.

new order, the torcher scene where she breaks down.

icon where she's leading the team in to get daniel. (haven't seen it in ages, but i think thats what they were doing)

covenant, flying the 302

geminii, replicarter kickin' ass, and the scene where fifth gets her to kill everyone

threads,

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moebius.

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give me some time to pick season 9 ones.

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ok, so there is a good few there too. i won't mention them all.

right, not exactly a short list, but when you look at how many scenes there are that could and should be used, its a comparitively short list. i left out a ton of moments, especially in the early seasons, but also in the later ones.

**jckfan55** · 20 July 2006, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by Osiris-RA

I've been watching some Old School SG1 to remember the old days and I've noticed that Carters character either seems to have gone under a drastic change or someone's sabotaging the character from the writers desk.

Good point. They can't seem to write more than 2 characters at a time these days. I wonder who those 2 could be?

Carter used to be one of General Hammond's main advisors. And she and Daniel used to work together, coming at a problem from their respective expertises. Now they've got you know who piping up at every opportunity with some gung ho comment and everyone else goes along for the ride. Sam of the past wouldn't just go along blithely. Even as a Captain she had more gumption. I have a further comment, but I think I should take it to Whinge Nuts.

**ForeverSg1** · 20 July 2006, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by the dancer of spaz

Either way, she moved her family overseas to a new place for a gig that's evidently only going to last for another year. I think that's the point of this whole thing...

If they were aiming for longevity, I honestly think they should've gone another route - and I also don't believe that they didn't see the route clearly in front of them. They made the choice to do the things that they did to the show, and now EVERYONE is paying for it.

Unless of course, TPTB knew last year that season 10 would be their final season and part of Claudia's agreement to move to Vancouver and join the cast was the contingency that should SG-1 fail she would be given a contract on the new Stargate series. I'm not saying this is the case, but since we all know now that Claudia knew she was coming back for S10 while she was filming S9 they may have made future provisions for having her join the cast as well. Who knows? It's only my assumption and I've been wrong on more than one occassion.

**ForeverSg1** · 20 July 2006, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by tsaxlady

Current Nielsen formula is 1,102,000 = 1% point, so if 1.7 million would be 1.54 would be more accurate.

Both SG-1 and SGA were in the top ten for Tivo season pass recording as wel which Nielsen does not figure into it's rating yet but networks do look at these figures.

Nielsen has a new meter they are currently piloting which will allow them to also account for viewers that wirelessly connect their televisions to gaming systems, or carry their location-free TVs with them throughout the house. The current meters do not collect this data but the new meter which measures the data by an audio signal (Acoustic encoding) that is encoded into shows. To address challenges posed by new advances like digital television, Nielsen is encoding TV programs with audio codes undetectable by the human ear. By identifying programs through these patented audio codes, our Active/Passive (A/P) Meters can determine what was watched and when it was watched — regardless of a program's source or a given television's settings.

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I'm sure SciFi is not happy with the 1.5 rating since that is equal to last years low - not a good sign for the priemer week for the new season. Especially when "Eureka" SciFi's newest original show pulled in a 3.2 rating on Tuesday.

Ah, I was just using the ratings percentage from last year and based on those numbers it would be 1.3. So obviously they have lowered what a rating point is equivalent to this year from 1.3 million to 1.1. Thanks for the information.

**Agent_Dark** · 20 July 2006, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by LizLove

And did some of you already saw there aint no Sam or Daniel on the cover for the season 9 DVDs??? I' not sure if Teal'c is there or not.

Dunno what region you're talking about (1 I assume?), but the Region 4 boxset has everyone on the cover. Our artwork on the previous seasons has always been basically identical to the region 1 sets as well...

**Strix varia** · 20 July 2006, 06:21 PM

I, too, am afraid that Sam is going to be playing damsel in distress this season, and much though I love Sam whumping, I'm afraid it won't be to showcase her inner strength and fortitude, but rather to make Mitchell appear all the more heroic for saving her.

I wonder if the writers hope that this will make Sam fans like Mitchell better.

**ReganX** · 20 July 2006, 06:49 PM

Amanda could use some votes.

http://www.celeeb.com/amanda-tapping/

**RepliCartertje** · 20 July 2006, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by Agent_Dark

Dunno what region you're talking about (1 I assume?), but the Region 4 boxset has everyone on the cover. Our artwork on the previous seasons has always been basically identical to the region 1 sets as well...
http://www.ezydvd.com.au/g/i/p/787872.jpg

I am going to answer this one for her cause I know she isn't around that often at the moment so...
Lizlove is talking about region 2 boxset and that is a grey boxset. I posted a link of it somewhere in this thread and it is not the same as region 4. that is so unfair

I like that one much more
Ok going to bed...goodnight everyone

**KatG** · 20 July 2006, 07:17 PM

Originally posted by Coley

I said in a post quite a while ago that I think a lot of the stalwart SG1 viewers are a niche audience. The show was different from all the other sci fi shows. It was here and now and potentially real. The characters were on the whole believable, and the Stargate is unique. The series was also largely based around a tightly focused unit of four which we all grew to love.

I agree. The original Stargate S1-8, seemed to draw a lot of viewers outside of your typical scifi fan. People who didn't watch Farscape, B5, Andromeda or any of the Star Trek incarnations. But for some reason, these people liked SG-1. It wasn't your typical scifi show as you said. It was about the team, the relationships and the adventures, the science fiction part of it was just a small part of it. Now, it's just like any other scifi show out there, a dime a dozen.

**Mandysg1** · 20 July 2006, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by Strix varia

I, too, am afraid that Sam is going to be playing damsel in distress this season, and much though I love Sam whumping, I'm afraid it won't be to showcase her inner strength and fortitude, but rather to make Mitchell appear all the more heroic for saving her.

I wonder if the writers hope that this will make Sam fans like Mitchell better.

I wonder if they realize everything they did to improve SG1 failed by the looks of the ratings

**majorsal** · 20 July 2006, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by astrogeologist

how did you do this??? i tried, but... i don't have the astro touch.

thanks!!

sally

**dmovies** · 20 July 2006, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by ReganX

That's exactly what I think they are doing.

As I said a couple of days ago

They are definately dumbing Sam to make Mitchell look better. All of a sudden she's stranded in space, Mitchell saves her. She's unable to stay awake in the next episode, and she gets shot and Mitchell has to save her. Gimme a break, Can't these writers get anything right anymore. It's just like the original Star Trek with all the wanna be poor cousins. The original St used science fiction writers, not staff writers. The poor cousins were always written by staff writers (I think!) Stay with what works, and don't fix it if it ain't broken.

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