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**scarimor** · 04 July 2006, 06:04 AM

Originally posted by Tracy Jane

Sorry

Hopefully it was just the after effects of the alcohol I had last night and nothing to worry about

Hmm. I suspect that you haven't had enough alcohol. Yes, that's it - you need more alcohol: a copius supply of Bombay Sapphire gin blue jelly shots - that oughta do it

**ChopinGal** · 04 July 2006, 06:05 AM

Originally posted by ReganX

I'm not male and I don't worship Mitchell and Vala.

I think I'm disqualified.

ROTFLOL Not worshipping at the altar of ... are we? Great retort!

**Clark'sGirl** · 04 July 2006, 06:06 AM

Originally posted by ReganX

Interesting idea. How long was Landry at the SGC in "Avalon, Part 1"?

We know that Sam was gone a week, but if Landry had just arrived and Mitchell was due to arrive, even if they had planned for her to move to Area 51 and give him command of SG-1, wouldn't they want for her to stick around for a while after Mitchell arrived to show him the ropes. I doubt that there was any urgency about Sam transferring to Area 51 and all seems to have been reasonably quiet on the SGC front, so Sam could have cut her hours back to part-timeish if she needed to spend more time with Cassie.

At the beginning of Season Nine, Landry was basically throwing Mitchell in the deep end, expecting him to lead the team most likely to run into trouble without any offworld experience and seemingly without the benefit of the training those aiming to be on SG teams go through. He wasn't even taking over command of an existing team, one that had already learned to work together, he was to form a new team.

Under the circumstances, I would have thought that any commander who possessed a shred of common sense would want to keep Sam around for at least a few missions as team commander as a type of probationary period for Mitchell, to see how he dealt with offworld exploration and with the new team before Sam moved on and Mitchell took command. Even if Sam couldn't be there, there were nearly thirty other team commanders who could have showed Mitchell the ropes.

See that's what has really bugged me. I quite like the character of Mitchell. (ducks rapidly) BUT if he was supposed to be a pilot before this, how does he suddenly become a hotshot special ops offworld specialist capable of leading a team offworld?

OK he was the lead pilot, but it doesn't seem that he would have any of the other qualifications which if anyone else was applying to the SGC would need to have. After all the training the cadets (Proving Ground) went through he should of at the least had training or TPTB should at least reference that he had training before turning up at Cheyenne Mountain.

They've made a big deal of him reading all the files but surely that doesn't make him capable?

So basically why do they have a leader who is inexperienced and definitely inept at times leading when Sam who has 8 years previous experience is just the 'scientist'.

It just doesn't make sense

**Tracy Jane** · 04 July 2006, 06:09 AM

Originally posted by scarimor

Hmm. I suspect that you haven't had enough alcohol. Yes, that's it - you need more alcohol: a copius supply of Bombay Sapphire gin blue jelly shots - that oughta do it

You obviously read my LJ far too much, Scari! ROFL! Although, I'm not wasting my only box of blue Jello! Not until my birthday!

**ChopinGal** · 04 July 2006, 06:11 AM

Originally posted by Tracy Jane

*sigh* I think I was channeling TPTB this morning

Spoiler:

TJ, you're not alone. Astro and I were just having this same conversation ... and then, whoop-de-doo ...

Spoiler:

Checkmate! TPTB win. Loyal Sam fans lose.

**ChopinGal** · 04 July 2006, 06:14 AM

Originally posted by Clark'sGirl

See that's what has really bugged me. I quite like the character of Mitchell. (ducks rapidly) BUT if he was supposed to be a pilot before this, how does he suddenly become a hotshot special ops offworld specialist capable of leading a team offworld?

OK he was the lead pilot, but it doesn't seem that he would have any of the other qualifications which if anyone else was applying to the SGC would need to have. After all the training the cadets (Proving Ground) went through he should of at the least had training or TPTB should at least reference that he had training before turning up at Cheyenne Mountain.

They've made a big deal of him reading all the files but surely that doesn't make him capable?

So basically why do they have a leader who is inexperienced and definitely inept at times leading when Sam who has 8 years previous experience is just the 'scientist'.

It just doesn't make sense

Yes, good points. We all wanted to like the new guy. The way his arc was contrived though has not made his authority and qualifications for the SG1 lead position believable at all.

**DEM** · 04 July 2006, 06:14 AM

Originally posted by ChopinGal

Don't expect a straight answer. Personally, I think AT is hoping no one uses the "L" word. ...

I don't think she wants to go there in a public forum. She is collecting a paycheck and working hard to deliver whatever comes across her plate. As a strong woman who really believed in setting the bar high for her character, I'm sure she wants better opportunities for Sam in S10 but she is now part of a new corporate mission and mindset.

I understand what you're saying, ChopinGal, and although it may be the case that AT is skittish about the topic, it may also be the case that she'd feel... disappointed somehow if no one asked about it. Know what I mean?

It's great that she and Carmen and Corin will have a weekend together among their fans!

man, i wish i were going to be there. CN and AT? damn.

**chocdoc** · 04 July 2006, 06:20 AM

Originally posted by DEM

I understand what you're saying, ChopinGal, and although it may be the case that AT is skittish about the topic, it may also be the case that she'd feel... disappointed somehow if no one asked about it. Know what I mean?

man, i wish i were going to be there. CN and AT? damn.

That's a great point, DEM. The leadership issue is a very important issue for fans of Sam. I think that if fans ask about it, it means that they care about this issue for Sam/AT. AT was asked about this issue at the Vancouver con and some fans reported that she talked a bit about it. She probably expects this question as it is a key question for her character for season 10. I would think she knows how to handle it, even if she has to answer it in a vague way. But at least asking the question shows that fans do care about how leadership has been written thus far and what it means for Sam.

**ChevronSeven** · 04 July 2006, 06:51 AM

Happy 4th of July!

**RepliCartertje** · 04 July 2006, 07:39 AM

Originally posted by majorsal

*whimper*

YEES!!

replicarter was a *fantastic* character, played FANTASTICALLY by amanda!!

if the writers let that gem of a character go... can we sue them for treason?

i want to sue the government of california for it

sally

sally

Yeah replicarter was a really great character but it was so great because AT played it so convincing. I mean at first RC really looked friendly and nice... someone who wanted to help the humans. But in her face you really could see that that wasn't completly true. There was something in it, a facelial expression that made you see that it wasn't sam at all.
Than you started to see that she wasn't nice at all that she was somewhat evil, but still I thought at that moment that she could be good, not completly good but still somewhere in her something good. Because of the memories she had from Sam
And than well than you saw she was really evil.
And AT did those expressions, those changes so good. she really is RC. I think when AT has to play a evil one she really does that great. It is so much difference than Sam. Sam is the brain (ok she is more that that) and RC is the evil one who fights and manipulate people.
I think it nice to see AT other qualities in RC.

Spoiler:

(looks like I am promoting RC)

**Mandysg1** · 04 July 2006, 07:47 AM

Originally posted by astrogeologist

One of the things that I really like about how AT has portrayed Sam Carter: 'She's comfortable in her own skin'; that is, she doesn't have an inferiority complex, nor does she have a superiority complex. It's very rare to see strong female characters who are comfortable with who they are. AT doesn't go around shoving herself into everyone's faces, trying to prove to them who she is (whether it's when she's in military mode or scientific mode).

Prodigy was an episode that stated it clearly for me - when Carter told Hailey to 'get over it' when Hailey was complaining about always having to measure up to the legendary Academy performance of one Sam Carter. There was no gloating on Carter's part, there wasn't even a moment of 'Hey, look at how I impressed everyone.' AT didn't show any signs of Carter coveting such glory. With the equivalent of a rolling of the eyes, it was 'let's get on with things'.

---

Scientists on TV are often portrayed as geeky and inept... bumbling (and here they are played for humor schtick), yet brilliant in their one field OR, they are portrayed as arrogant and egocentric... talking down to all around them (and here they often get their 'comeuppance' and get taken down a peg if they are in the story long enough, because no one can take a know-it-all for long). Both stereotypes are usually played (acted and/or written) to the extreme of these characteristics.

Felger, he's the geeky, inept bumbler who is also brilliant.
McKay fits both stereotypes!

Sam Carter doesn't fit into either of those tiresome stereotypes - and I've been oh-so-thankful for that! Speaking as a science-type, with leanings towards the geeky/nerdy (I am the one who averaged the scores in a spreadsheet and then displayed the results in a pie chart!

), I detest the persistent 'arrogant scientist' stereotype *and* the inept, bumbling geek stereotype.

I think it was Carter's unique hybrid of soldier and scientist that allowed AT and the writers to avoid the stereotypes above. Consequently, I hope that they keep the duality of Carter's character that allows her to be more than a shallow, boring stereotype.

You're one heck of a geek astro

Let's hear it for the geeks!

**Sg Gato** · 04 July 2006, 07:49 AM

Originally posted by Tracy Jane

*sigh* I think I was channeling TPTB this morning

Spoiler:

If Mitchell is promoted for saving Sam's life; then Sam should have been promoted to General a long time ago when you considered the lives she has saved.

**Mandysg1** · 04 July 2006, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by majorsal

argh! i meant to do my 7000th post HERE, but i lost track of my post count and used it somewhere else...

BUT, at least 'that' post wasn't negative!

so, i'm pretending this is my 7000th post!

sally

Congrats majorsal on your 7000th post, where ever it may be

**Mandysg1** · 04 July 2006, 08:26 AM

Originally posted by astrogeologist

The whole

Spoiler:

That's what I'm not looking forward to. Season 9 left me expecting much less than the best. I feel like I'm watching a car wreck on the freeway. Someone might pull their steering wheel over and stomp on the brakes and everyone might be fine... but it sure doesn't look like that's what's going to happen...

Spoiler:

**Gate gal** · 04 July 2006, 08:29 AM

Originally posted by scifi_girl

Spoiler:

i started out feeling really optamistic about season 10, cause it sounded like we were going to see more sam scenes but now im starting to get a bit worried. i wont see the episode until its shown in the uk so could someone let me know if its bad and then i can decide whether ill watch it or not. to be a bit more positive, AT and Sam are still awesome. Thankfully that hasnt changed.

Don't worry! The spoilers are just to mess with our heads. They learned their lesson. It is going to be a great season! (Never underestimate the power of positive thinking by an eternal optimist.)

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