Sam Carter/Amanda Tapping Discussion/Appreciation

[KatG]

see, i don't see jackmaking the first move.

IMHO, he's already done that.

in D&C, she found out that he had feelins. And that they were still there in BTS, and are still simmering under the surface.

and she keeps him at arm's length. she's set the boundaries

he's also made a step or two with his 'always'.

in fact, all those tha say that she's pining for him...heck if anyone's pining, it's jack. he's waiting for her and is apparantly in no mood to move on

so i think that sam needs to make the first move. She needs to open the door to that room. because he will respect her decision even if he hates it

I agree.

And let's not forget that he didn't protest at all when Kerry Johnson broke up with him, stating that his feelings for Sam were getting in the way. He just let her go, without a fight.

[KatG]

This debate over Pete is moot, since Sam is in love with Janet.

ROFL. You're so evil.

[KatG]

i thought it was an apple too.

and on closer inspection; it looks like it's got a face!





sally

Well, I thought it was an orange. It looks like the guy's peeling it in front of her.

[Gate gal]

Well that is how I think about it too. I mean Jack isn't the man of many words so that he confessed his feeling is really a big thing. I know he had to do it because of that zatarc thing. But still it was hard for him to do. Because of it, Sam knew what he felt for her. But well because of the regs she knew (and Jack also knew) that it wasn't impossible. But the feelings for eachother were there. Then when she met Pete she was trying to forget Jack but that wasn't that easy (could you blame her? I mean look at Jack how can you try to forget him). And well in Threads she did tried to make the first move by going to him and talking about her feelings, cause that is what she was going to do.

I agree. Jack was special ops trained. Without being forced to admit his feelings for Sam it wouldn't have happened. He had to go back to hiding his feelings to survive and protect himself (because of the regs). Sam waited a long time for him. If it weren't for her experience in Grace, she'd have kept waiting. Speaking of Grace, I think it was some of AT's best work that season. I loved the episode until I watched Chimera and realized where the show was going. Now, I really don't like to watch the episode. I see it as the point where they started ruining a great character. We need some type of sequel to Grace that repairs some of the damage done.

[KatG]

You all know I'm staunchly Sam/Jack, but I was looking for and through some Sam vids and came across what I think is a well-produced Sam/Janet video. I hope you enjoy it too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC_PG_b1-7A

That was nice, and can be taken as friendshippy or slashy, whichever way one leans.

[jckfan55]

And just to tack something else on here, I really like the dialogue and performances in the breakup scene in Threads. The "that's it?" line is entirely apt. Everyone, and I do mean everyone, knew that nothing about Pete's and Sam's relationship was going to end well. It's an uncomfortable scene; the characters are uncomfortable and wish it didn't have to happen, and the same holds true for viewers. To end things any happier or easier would have been too easy. It would have been a cop out from the writers and it would have been too easy an out for Sam. Such a scene wouldn't even pretend to be realistic; it would have been a pitiful tableau. The scene as it plays out also allows you to see Carter at a slightly askew angle, one that none of the characters usually gets to be seen from. You learn a little more about Carter in that scene. How can that not be worth it?

Interesting points. I don't think the breakup should have been "happier," and I agree it should have been a painful, uncomfortable moment for Sam. I just think there had to be a little better way of doing it. Not sure what that would be though.

[jckfan55]

Why would they be drilling into those replicator blocks though? Hot glue gun makes more sense to stick them on the wall.

In the commentary they talked about putting those on with long pins.

Oh, and just to change the topic from all this Sam/Pete, Sam/Jack (and yes, AD-- Sam/Janet ) ship stuff (my anti-ship twitch is getting bad here) ---
in an ideal world, what kind of scientist Sam or Action Sam stuff would we like to see in the upcoming season?

[the dancer of spaz]

Ishta anyone? Laira? That gal of Teal'cs in Crossroads, This isn't something singular to Sam. Also, the episodes 'devoted' to Sam's decisions are not devoted solely to Sam.

No, the eps weren't devoted solely to Sam. But if you have to pick a character, whose love life was directly explored more than the others, it would definitely be Sam. Laira and Ishta and the other women in the guys' lives are great examples of the guys getting action. But Sam is the only (original) female character, so HER behavior and the focus on her will be more noticeable because she's a female.

We essentially had Grace, Chimera, TLC 1&2, New Order, Affinity, Threads and Moebius address the man (men) in her life, and that's over the course of two seasons. And I may have missed a few even. The fact of the matter is, the guys have not had nearly that many eps devoted to their love lives in such succession since Sha're died years ago.

hmm, I disagree, we get plenty of emoting from the guys when it comes to their various relationships.

And yet, we still see many of Teal'c relationships (you know, that guys gets a lot of action compared to anyone else.)

When they show them. I agree that these women played roles in their lives, but they tended to be there and gone fairly quickly. Even Ishta's two stints on SG could be relatively overlooked. They're most likely never going to be brought up again. But with Sam... In S9 alone, they brought up nearly every past love interest they could think of, from Barrett to Orlin to Martouf. One of the directors (PDL - who also happens to be one of the producers) even thought they were leaning towards AU-Sam/Cam in RE. It's like they're incapable of ignoring the possibilities of pairing Sam with someone.

I always hear that as a reason for many things. I just don't see it that way. If anything, she does less lovin' then the guys. She has interests, but nothing more then that.

Though the number of love interests for Sam far outweighs the number for all of the guys combined, it's not necessarily how MANY there are - it's how they address it. For the longest time, Sam was known as BWC, for whatever reason. It's almost like she was incapable of knowing true love, because her drive/feminism/what have you was more important.

It was like Sam's career and her desire to find companionship were mutually exclusive. And, because of how the writers delved into that part of her life, they truly did become mutually exclusive. They don't know how to write Sam as a kick-butt soldier/scientist anymore, they "don't know what to do" with her character, but they love to write her with the alien of the week or as the other half of ship. It's very disconcerting.

The truth is, we don't know what her feelings are either. I personally like the ambiguty. I don't want an answer.

After all of the references, I honestly think that the ambiguity of S/J comes from (a) Air Force regs (that matter not when it comes to fathers and daughters, evidently) and (b) TPTB's fear of the fallout, should they confirm that the two really did have feelings for each other.

But there've been too many nods, too many references, scripted lines of inquiry, looks and shippy music (blast, what's the new name of the piano music? ) to suggest that it's not something they were trying to get across in some regard. The ambiguity was merely convenient for them, because it made it easier to back out of it, if the need arose. Well, they've had three wannabe-series finales to back out of it, and they never have.

[Skydiver]

I think that's what she started to do in Threads and I believe has done in the interim.

i think so too

but i also think that they're taking it slow, really, really slow.

both sam and jack are damaged goods in a way. yes, they have a long friendship, but they also have a lot of baggage between them.

years of her calling him sir, y ears of her biting her tongue

jack has the baggage of a failed marriage, his son's death and his fear of tainting sam's career

she has years of failed relationships. she's emotionally detatched in a way, science is controllable, life is not, so she's shut off part of her life to dedicate herself to her science

she'd have to open herself up to him and make herself vulnerable...and while we know that she trusts him with her life, i think her heart is a different matter. i think she's afraid of him in a way. she's seen his dark side and it scares her.

i do also think that the tok'ra is a bit of an issue between them. jolinar is a part of her life but jack's not too fond of them. I think it does effect things

i think sam also knows, if things don't work out, there's no way they can remain friends. the hurt would be too much. and is she ready to risk losing the friendship for the chance of something more?

[Skydiver]

This debate over Pete is moot, since Sam is in love with Janet.

hehehe

[tara3583]

Stay tuned for Heat, my upcoming fanfic, which tries to address what really happened to Sam and Jack after SG1 was disbanded at end of S8 ...

It may not be the projected canon of S9 and S10, but welcome to my world! Soon!

Smiles and fine tuned and awaiting said fic!

[scarimor]

oooh that music vid was so great... but now I am sitting here crying. It was so sad.
I do miss Janet. and the interaction between sam and janet. they were really great togheter.

And by seeing that vid... just was thinking about it... AT is really a great actress. I am stuned every time I see her act. that scene from heroes when she is mad and sad at the same time about the death of janet. that is really wonderfull.

Oh that was so good. Waaaa. So good. What Repli said.

Thanks, oober!

[Skydiver]

i think, and maybe i'm being too romantic and sappy....jack's a man. he'll take the sex release if he can get it...but i don't see him marrying anyone other than sam. sleep with someone? sure. casual thing? sure. someone to escort to official functions? sure. a committed relationship? no.

he's had the wife and family and i dont' think he wants to start over with anyone but sam.

but i also think that he's not going to 'force himself' on her. she's gotta say 'ok, let's go' before he'll do anything. his ultimate goal is that she be happy. if not with him, then with someone.

he will be there for her, he will do what he can to take care of her, but he lets her set the boundaries

i dont' think he's doing this as some super sort of self sacrifice, i think he's rather insecure about himself. he blames himself for sara and charlie and i think he lacks the confidence to be assertive in that way. i think he'd rather be friends foreverr than lose it. and as long a sam settles for status quo, he will too.

which is why i dont' think he fought for kerry. she offerred, he accepted and they had fun.

[ChopinGal]

i think, and maybe i'm being too romantic and sappy....jack's a man. he'll take the sex release if he can get it...but i don't see him marrying anyone other than sam. sleep with someone? sure. casual thing? sure. someone to escort to official functions? sure. a committed relationship? no.

he's had the wife and family and i dont' think he wants to start over with anyone but sam.

but i also think that he's not going to 'force himself' on her. she's gotta say 'ok, let's go' before he'll do anything. his ultimate goal is that she be happy. if not with him, then with someone.

he will be there for her, he will do what he can to take care of her, but he lets her set the boundaries

i dont' think he's doing this as some super sort of self sacrifice, i think he's rather insecure about himself. he blames himself for sara and charlie and i think he lacks the confidence to be assertive in that way. i think he'd rather be friends foreverr than lose it. and as long a sam settles for status quo, he will too.

which is why i dont' think he fought for kerry. she offerred, he accepted and they had fun.

Great points, Sky. Hope you read my story!! Soon ... soon. Up to the last part of the tale ... trying to meet a pre-new-season deadline!

[scarimor]

I don't think Jack's really got over Sara. I can see him getting back together with her.